Surly 2018 AL Rookie of the Year

[Beau Vine 55,027]

Fuck you Kevin Morgan.

[Valmy77 13,456]

I say Wendle. 

[Helobious 9,516]

How many games did Ohtani even play in?

[Beau Vine 55,027]

3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

How many games did Ohtani even play in?

We'll never know, because there's no way to look that kind of thing up.

[Helobious 9,516]

16 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

We'll never know, because there's no way to look that kind of thing up.

I googled it and I’m still unsure if it’s 104 or 114 total. Thanks for the pissy response though. 

Regardless he hasn’t played enough to be worthy of the award over an everyday player imo.

[Scraps 13,603]

He batted in 104, he pitched in 10.  Played in a total of 114 

[Scraps 13,603]

This is probably the toughest one of these for me.  

[Beau Vine 55,027]

Andujar is basically the worst player in MLB at defense:

1.  UZR (which I think is OK for 3B) has him absolute last in the majors, without even adjusting for the time he was in the minors: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=23,a

2.  Also, 2nd-to-last in the majors in DRS (again without adjusting for playing time): https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,a

He's literally like having David Ortiz play 3rd base, which is why his WAR looks so unbelievably low for a guy with a 128 RC+.

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by Beau Vine

[spystud13 2,371]

His UZR/150 is even more fun. 

 

I voted Shohei. 

[Hank Chinaski 6,324]

Yeah, I think Ohtani. Andujar appears to be a butcher at 3rd and his relatively low OBP pushes it toward Ohtani IMO. Andujar and Torres honorable mention. 

I was surprised at how good of a hitter Ohtani was. 

 

[Helobious 9,516]

I'll go to my grave decrying the use of defensive metrics as a tool for player evaluation. 

I don't need sabermetrics to tell me that Andujar sucks at defense, I've seen more than enough of his 2-story tall throws to first to form my own opinion. Is it THAT bad enough to exclude him from the AL ROY? I would say no. He's had a record-breaking year with the bat and has done more than enough to make up for the shoddy defense. 

[Hank Chinaski 6,324]

14 hours ago, Helobious said:

I'll go to my grave decrying the use of defensive metrics as a tool for player evaluation. 

I don't need sabermetrics to tell me that Andujar sucks at defense, I've seen more than enough of his 2-story tall throws to first to form my own opinion. Is it THAT bad enough to exclude him from the AL ROY? I would say no. He's had a record-breaking year with the bat and has done more than enough to make up for the shoddy defense. 

It's not that his defense excludes him; it's that his defense was (to your point) bad, and that should be considered. That and his low OBP tip the scale to Ohtani IMO. Ohtani was the better hitter, albeit in fewer ABs, and threw 52 very good innings. 

I agree with you that defensive metrics are not precise, and that Andujar is a good player even with his shoddy defense. He has a case for the award, I just think Ohtani's case is better. 

[spystud13 2,371]

Shohei got 25 of 30 first-place votes to win. Andujar got the other 5 to finish second. 

[spystud13 2,371]

Always gotta be one. 

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Lakeland (Fla.) Ledger columnist Dick Scanlon was the only voter to leave Ohtani out of his top three, instead choosing Andujar, Wendle and Rays pitcher Ryan Yarbrough.

 

[Beau Vine 55,027]

That one Chicago voter gave Daniel Palka and his 2-something OB% his 3rd-place vote.