2018-19 Houston Rockets Thread of running it back (mainly)

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

22 minutes ago, Wild Bill said:

You suck Lebron.

 

 

gosh I just don't know why Lebron is so unpopular with people

[Murfdogg21 4577]

PJ Tucker is our junk yard dog. 

[UDontKnow 10572]

 

[NowThis 931]

DeAndre Jordan is a dumbshit and do not want. Better value is Javale Magee, in fact the very best value in all free agency. 

Can Houston afford to sign a FA over $5 mil/yr?

[HtownHorn 15231]

2 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

 

You can't bring back D'Antoni. A new approach is needed. Offense wasn't the problem, it was defense and rebounding.

Capela and Gordon are your best tradable assets.

Capela can be replaced by Jordan, no way Jordan's nuts shrink like Capela's did in this series. I also like Kyle O'Quinn.

Got to find another wing that can defend and shoot 3's.

House is a RFA, so you should be able to match.

If Rivers leaves, try to sign Tyreke Evans, though that is going to be really difficult.

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by HtownHorn

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

Unless you find a player that lets you put Gordon back on the bench, he’s got to be traded. The 3 guard line up has no length  

[HtownHorn 15231]

5 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Unless you find a player that lets you put Gordon back on the bench, he’s got to be traded. The 3 guard line up has no length  

D'Antoni was playing 4 and 5 guard lineups all series long.

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

I assume he’d be gone in my fantasy 

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

D’antoni won’t be fires or we would have already been hearing chatter. Also the nba coaching tree doesn’t seem to deep right now, seems they all get regurgitated round and round so it’s not like some great coach is waiting in the wings to takeover.

anything we do to upgrade the roster will be small but morey seems to work magic when he can under the cap. This summer reminds of lay summer only worse and we didn’t do shit last summer either. When you swing for the fences and lose you’re stuck but had we not we would all be bitching because we would be the mavs or thunder and getting bounced in the first round or not making the playoffs.

[billfromlaketravis 11868]

Durant to the Knicks. Maybe Thompson is sick of being Steph's b****, and leaves too, but probably not with the all the cap space after KD leaves. 

The Rockets still can't beat Curry, Green, and Thompson. It reminds of the post 2005 Astros. You knew they would be competitive, but never win anything of substance. 

Morey should probably blow it up, but he can't with CP3's contract. That thing is going be an albatross. 

Edited May 12, 2019 by billfromlaketravis

[Slacks 7072]

Time to revisit last year’s end of season thread to see all the people who supported CP3 and Capella getting max contracts for multi-years. JFC. CP3 will be playing like his age soon and Capella....well when will people in NBA (and MLB for that matter) stop letting these flash in a pan guys rob them for huge chunks of the team’s salary allotment for several years and then immediately return to below average?
Do the Knicks want to sign KD and take CP3 and Capella for the #1 pick? LOL I know nm. 

I recall getting mocked for saying Capella was a fraud last offseason. He sucks.

I was on the pay Capela camp... But I also expected him to develop. He seems to have gotten better at FTs, but that's it. He has no game.

I'm still not sure he could have been easily replaced, and I think his signing was the right thing to do given the structure of the team.

He played well during the season...

[Slacks 7072]

You can't bring back D'Antoni. A new approach is needed. Offense wasn't the problem, it was defense and rebounding.
Capela and Gordon are your best tradable assets.
Capela can be replaced by Jordan, no way Jordan's nuts shrink like Capela's did in this series. I also like Kyle O'Quinn.
Got to find another wing that can defend and shoot 3's.
House is a RFA, so you should be able to match.
If Rivers leaves, try to sign Tyreke Evans, though that is going to be really difficult.
 

CP3 and Jordan (and Blake Griffin) couldn't beat anybody when they were in their prime. Why do people want that now? Is Jordan still good?

[Blotto 24044]

1 hour ago, Snacks said:

15 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

You can't bring back D'Antoni. A new approach is needed. Offense wasn't the problem, it was defense and rebounding.
Capela and Gordon are your best tradable assets.
Capela can be replaced by Jordan, no way Jordan's nuts shrink like Capela's did in this series. I also like Kyle O'Quinn.
Got to find another wing that can defend and shoot 3's.
House is a RFA, so you should be able to match.
If Rivers leaves, try to sign Tyreke Evans, though that is going to be really difficult.
 

 

CP3 and Jordan (and Blake Griffin) couldn't beat anybody when they were in their prime. Why do people want that now? Is Jordan still good?

Once an aggy, always an aggy.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 hour ago, Snacks said:

Is Jordan still good?

Houston can certainly pay him like he is, that will make Tillman Fertitta happy. Fertitta has a strong whiff of Aggie about him, specifically the idea that you show how serious you are about something by outbidding yourself and overpaying for that thing.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

22 hours ago, NowThis said:

after last season i correctly stated that HOU will win 52-55 games. Bingo. 

The team has peaked and is on the backend of the mountain drive. The west keeps improving, rockets are aging badly.

LOL you correctly stated? The only reason we were the 4 seed was because we started off 11-14 with early season injuries and the Carmelo shit so no you weren't correct like you won't be about Houston missing the playoffs. 

I'd also take Deandre Jordan in a heartbeat, He rebounds and blocks shots and does the exact same thing capela does which is dunks. He also imo is 10 times more intense than Capela. Clint is soft as fuck and you don't ever feel his presence on the floor at all but reality is we are stuck with him.

[NowThis 931]

1 hour ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

LOL you correctly stated? The only reason we were the 4 seed was because we started off 11-14 with early season injuries and the Carmelo shit so no you weren't correct like you won't be about Houston missing the playoffs. 

I'd also take Deandre Jordan in a heartbeat, He rebounds and blocks shots and does the exact same thing capela does which is dunks. He also imo is 10 times more intense than Capela. Clint is soft as fuck and you don't ever feel his presence on the floor at all but reality is we are stuck with him.

i predicted injuries, not specifically, but they happen. The 11-14 start counts in the record, you understand that right?  This team is decaying. I see them as a 7-8 seed at best next year with a strong chance of doing a Lebron in the playoffs.   

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

28 minutes ago, NowThis said:

with a strong chance of doing a Lebron in the playoffs.   

being an unlikeable snarky bitchass?

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

30 minutes ago, NowThis said:

i predicted injuries, not specifically, but they happen. The 11-14 start counts in the record, you understand that right?  This team is decaying. I see them as a 7-8 seed at best next year with a strong chance of doing a Lebron in the playoffs.   

This current roster wasn’t even the roster when the season started 11-14, this current roster had one of the best records post ASG and of that roster had a full season together they would have been a 1/2 seed and won’t be a 7/8 seed. Just stfu you are a moron.

[satyanash 15657]

 

[NowThis 931]

30 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

This current roster wasn’t even the roster when the season started 11-14, this current roster had one of the best records post ASG and of that roster had a full season together they would have been a 1/2 seed and won’t be a 7/8 seed. Just stfu you are a moron.

you are young , hyper and foolish. I am wise and experienced.  The roster this offseason is going to take a hit, key reserves will leave with inferior replacements. The vets will age and will have major injuries. Houston is decaying. This is the end of the Harden-Paul era, as we had the Yao-Tmac and Steve Francis eras. They came, peaked, and ended. So it will be. 

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

1 minute ago, NowThis said:

you are young , hyper and foolish. I am wise and experienced.  The roster this offseason is going to take a hit, key reserves will leave with inferior replacements. The vets will age and will have major injuries. Houston is decaying. This is the end of the Harden-Paul era, as we had the Yao-Tmac and Steve Francis eras. They came, peaked, and ended. So it will be. 

What key reserves are we talking about?  We basically had a 6-7 man playoff rotation. 

Are we going to lose Shumpert? NeNe? Green? Gary Clark Jr? House? Manimal?

 

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

Having Ariza and Luc both over 6-6, they can play D, shoot the 3 and drive to the bucket. 

They weren’t the same players this year, but that was the biggest difference. Length and versatility. 

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

you are young , hyper and foolish. I am wise and experienced.  The roster this offseason is going to take a hit, key reserves will leave with inferior replacements. The vets will age and will have major injuries. Houston is decaying. This is the end of the Harden-Paul era, as we had the Yao-Tmac and Steve Francis eras. They came, peaked, and ended. So it will be. 

LOL you are a fucktard. Anyone that comes on here tooting their own horn like you do all the time ends up being a fucktard. So it will be. 

[NowThis 931]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

What key reserves are we talking about?  We basically had a 6-7 man playoff rotation. 

Are we going to lose Shumpert? NeNe? Green? Gary Clark Jr? House? Manimal?

 

the short rotation was a terrible decision by D'umbtoni since the bench power was a key strength.  Faried and House can fill up a box score.  I think Rivers, Faried and Green are gone. Was Rivers only making $1.1m? Dude is worth at least $8m/yr.   Can Houston afford anything given the bloated contracts to the Big 3?

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

House was hurt all knowing one. Shows how much you watch and pay attention dumbass.

[NowThis 931]

Dumbtoni wouldn't play him regardless. 

[Brothahorn 10100]

Everyone wants to shit on Tillman, cause he is the easy target. But the Genius has been here for over 11 years. This is his system, his coach, his players, his style.

How many times has ownership put the cuffs on anything he wanted to do?

[52-80 19377]

52 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

LOL you are a fucktard. Anyone that comes on here tooting their own horn like you do all the time ends up being a fucktard. So it will be. 

And here we have the emotional restraint of a secure, stable individual. 

[HtownHorn 15231]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Having Ariza and Luc both over 6-6, they can play D, shoot the 3 and drive to the bucket. 

They weren’t the same players this year, but that was the biggest difference. Length and versatility. 

Ariza isn't a creator, and Luc played like 5 minutes in the playoffs last year because he was hurt, and played all of 2 or 3 games this past season because he was hurt.

[HtownHorn 15231]

12 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Everyone wants to shit on Tillman, cause he is the easy target. But the Genius has been here for over 11 years. This is his system, his coach, his players, his style.

How many times has ownership put the cuffs on anything he wanted to do?

After Yao and Tracy had to retire because of injuries, Morey wanted to blow it up and start from scratch. Les wouldn't let him. Though Morey did fuck up royally by passing on Leonard.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

12 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

And here we have the emotional restraint of a secure, stable individual. 

Get off our board mr thunder up. You have plenty to be worried about woth your shitastic roster.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

17 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

And here we have the emotional restraint of a secure, stable individual. 

Didn’t you post at me how you “owned” a team and how you were in Italy eating pizza? lol, that’s some security right there. Telling people on the internet how rich and important you are. Hahahahaha.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

47 minutes ago, NowThis said:

Dumbtoni wouldn't play him regardless. 

House played game 1. But again don’t let those facts interfere with your incredible insight! 

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

21 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Ariza isn't a creator, and Luc played like 5 minutes in the playoffs last year because he was hurt, and played all of 2 or 3 games this past season because he was hurt.

Ariza could attack the bucket and was obviously a better defender. And you are correct, Luc never recovering from the end of reg season injury depleted him, but when the rockets were at their best, those two were healthy 

[UDontKnow 10572]

3 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

House was hurt all knowing one. Shows how much you watch and pay attention dumbass.

Yes, but D'Antoni mentioned that even if House were healthy, his minutes were going to Shumpert due to lack of experience on House's part.

[52-80 19377]

2 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Didn’t you post at me how you “owned” a team and how you were in Italy eating pizza? lol, that’s some security right there. Telling people on the internet how rich and important you are. Hahahahaha.

Yes, you're very intelligent for deducing and accepting that I own a professional team in the national basketball association.

[UDontKnow 10572]

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Ariza could attack the bucket and was obviously a better defender. And you are correct, Luc never recovering from the end of reg season injury depleted him, but when the rockets were at their best, those two were healthy 

He wasn't finishing well around the basket in last year's playoffs. Still could have used his defense.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Yes, you're very intelligent for deducing and accepting that I own a professional team in the national basketball association.

I’m not the one that posted about it and not being more clear and stating how you are in Italy eating pizza like anyone gives a fuck. We are talkingRockets basketball so head on out to the mobilehoma thunder thread and talk about how the thunder was the shittiest team in the west playoffs this year.

[52-80 19377]

5 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I’m not the one that posted about it and not being more clear and stating how you are in Italy eating pizza like anyone gives a fuck. We are talkingRockets basketball so head on out to the mobilehoma thunder thread and talk about how the thunder was the shittiest team in the west playoffs this year.

You need a tissue, or a pat on the head or something?

[goatsaag 281]

4 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Having Ariza and Luc both over 6-6, they can play D, shoot the 3 and drive to the bucket. 

They weren’t the same players this year, but that was the biggest difference. Length and versatility. 

Basically, this is really what the Rockets need. They made the right decision letting Ariza and Luc walk and I didn't hate the attempts to replace them even though they didn't work out. For next season though (assuming there isn't a huge roster change that I don't think will happen), the Rockets need to add two big wings who they feel confident playing at least 20 minutes a game.

[Rockethorn1978 6206]

25 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

You need a tissue, or a pat on the head or something?

Nah man we don’t have westbrick so I’m good.

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

Capella Gordon and House + 1st round pick, for Reddick and Jimmy Butler  Make it happen

[HtownHorn 15231]

51 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Capella Gordon and House + 1st round pick, for Reddick and Jimmy Butler  Make it happen

a) Reddick is a FA

b) Butler isn't opting into his PO

c) Philly already has Embiid making $25M+

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

a) Reddick is a FA

b) Butler isn't opting into his PO

c) Philly already has Embiid making $25M+

Negged. 

Another beer please. 

[Slacks 7072]

 

I wrote that a week ago...

[Brothahorn 10100]

On 5/12/2019 at 12:36 PM, HtownHorn said:

After Yao and Tracy had to retire because of injuries, Morey wanted to blow it up and start from scratch. Les wouldn't let him. Though Morey did fuck up royally by passing on Leonard.

Alright, so he couldn't start from scratch. No guarantee that was going to work anyway. Was Les in charge of the draft too?

2008

1

25

Nicolas Batum (traded to Portland)

 FRA SF Le Mans (France) 2008 2 33 Joey Dorsey (from Portland via Memphis)  USA PF Memphis 2008 2 54 Maarty Leunen  USA PF Oregon 2009 2 32 Jermaine Taylor (from Washington)^[v]  USA SG UCF 2009 2 34 Sergio Llull (from Denver via Oklahoma City)^[v]  ESP PG Real Madrid (Spain) 2009 2 44 Chase Budinger (from Detroit)^[v]  USA SG/SF Arizona 2010 1 14 Patrick Patterson  USA PF Kentucky 2011 1 14 Marcus Morris  USA PF Kansas 2011 1 23 Nikola Mirotić^[w]  ESP PF Real Madrid (Spain) 2011 2 38 Chandler Parsons  USA SF Florida 2012 1 12 Jeremy Lamb  USA SG Connecticut 2012 1 16 Royce White  USA PF Iowa State 2012 1 18 Terrence Jones  USA PF Kentucky 2012 2 44 Furkan Aldemir (from Los Angeles Clippers)^[x]  TUR SF/PF Galatasaray (Turkey) 2013 2 34 Isaiah Canaan (from Phoenix Suns)^[y]  USA PG Murray State 2014 1 25 Clint Capela   SUI PF Élan Chalon (France) 2014 2 42 Nick Johnson (from New York Knicks)^[z]  USA PG/SG Arizona 2015 1 18 Sam Dekker [ (from New Orleans)^[aa]  USA SF Wisconsin 2015 2 32 Montrezl Harrell (from New York)^[z]  USA PF Louisville 2016 2 37 Chinanu Onuaku (from New York via Portland and Sacramento)^[ab]  USA PF/C Louisville 2016 2 43 Zhou Qi  CHN C Xinjiang Flying Tigers (China) 2017 2 43 Isaiah Hartenstein (from Denver)^[ac]  GER PF/C Žalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania) 2017 2 45 Dillon Brooks (from Portland,^[ad]traded to Memphis)^[ae]  CAN SF Oregon 2018 2 46 De'Anthony Melton (from Miami via Memphis)^[af]  USA SG USC

 

Besides Clint how many of those guys have given the Rockets anything towards being a contender? And where are they now? The team that keeps kicking his butt, has solid role players(Thompson, Green, Looney) that were acquired through the draft. You have to develop some talent to help your stars out.

 

[LTtxfan 50035]

Asking Harden to win so many games in the playoffs primarily on his own doesn't work against the Warriors.  Harden is still wearing down too much late in playoff games.... Rockets need to manage minutes better for Harden during the regular season and increase his fitness.

Still think Rockets need a better big guy to run pick and roll more often with Harden and CP3. Better team balance will free up Harden and CP3 more.  And in order to beat the Warriors, the Rockets need lessons in team basketball, better shot selection, using the midrange shot more,  and a hellava lot less isolation basketball.

Just came across this analytical stuff.......

Hey Rockets, how about just win freakin' playoff games and forget all the numbers crap!!

https://digit.hbs.org/submission/moreyball-the-houston-rockets-and-analytics/#

Edited May 14, 2019 by LTtxfan

[HtownHorn 15231]

I wonder if the Hornets lose Walker, if we could swing a Batum for Gordon and another piece deal. We might actually get a draft pick out of it, considering Batum still has $52M left on his contract. I also like Marvin Williams, and his contract is a near match for Gordon's, if he opts into his PO.

[LTtxfan 50035]

Funny you mention Batum..... just bought a ski resort with Tony Parker

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nba-france-parker-idUSKCN1SJ2AN

 

Also a new article on Batum.....

https://www.atthehive.com/2019/5/13/18617845/charlotte-hornets-player-review-nicolas-batum-did-not-play-to-level-of-salary

Edited May 14, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Brothahorn 10100]

Makes perfect analytics...trade for a guy you drafted 10 years ago.