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[HenryJames 65868]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

14 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

I know you're trying to be objective.

I am. I am also a person who has sacrificed self-determination for membership in a group. Apparently the difference is I'm not ashamed of it.

If that group was f scally, you should be ashamed.

[Huckleberry 32685]

Good point. I should have said I'm not ashamed of all such decisions I've made. Just some of them.

[hayden_horn 11360]

1 hour ago, Caddox said:

Yea that’s not what the letter says. We will let it die down and then appeal. 

you're a disgusting person. you even use the word "die" in your post with zero self-awareness regarding the death of a supposed brother of yours. your only care appears to be for the organization. 

nothing has changed, it seems:

http://dailytexanonline.com/2019/03/28/nothing-has-changed-nicky-cumberland-family-texas-cowboys-respond-to-groups-6-year

are you eddie lopez?

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In response to yesterday’s Texas Cowboys six-year suspension, the Cowboys and Cumberland family have released statements responding to the findings of the hazing investigation.

The Office of the Dean of Students released its findings yesterday on the Texas Cowboys hazing investigation which revealed that hazing had occurred in the Cowboys during the fall of 2018 and in previous semesters, dating back to 2015. The investigation was requested by the Cumberland family, who suspected hazing after their son Nicky died from injuries sustained in a fatal car crash on the way back for last fall’s initiation retreat in September.

The Cowboys are “disappointed by the University’s decision” as it “may prevent (their) organization from continuing (their) legacy of service,” Cowboys Alumni Association President Eddie Lopez said in a statement.

“As an organization, we are disappointed by the misconduct of certain student members,” Lopez said. “In fact, we have expelled and suspended from our organization the students who were connected to the hazing.”

This is the second time Cowboys have been suspended from campus for hazing. In 1995 then-pledge Gabe Higgins died from hazing injuries sustained during that year’s same initiation retreat and the Cowboys were suspended for five years.

Lopez said in his statement that hazing was not related to the death of Nicky as the members were allowed to sleep at any point. The fatal car crash, which occurred at 5:43 a.m, was caused by the driver falling asleep at the wheel.

The University investigation did not find sufficient evidence to determine if sleep deprivation in the form of hazing occurred at last fall’s retreat. Members told the University they were allowed to sleep and no one reported being prevented from sleeping.

“Hazing did not cause the car accident that took Nicky Cumberland’s life,” Lopez said. “The car accident was a tragic event that claimed the life of an exceptional person. We continue to mourn with Mr. Cumberland’s family and loved ones.”

Nicky’s father, Shawn Cumberland said he strongly disagreed with claim that sleep deprivation did not occur, and that many UT transportation policies were broken by the Cowboys, such as not having enough seatbelts for everyone in the car. At the time of the crash, Nicky and three of the five passengers were not wearing seatbelts, according to the crash report. As a result of the vehicle’s rollover, Nicky was ejected.

Clio Harralson, girlfriend of Nicky, said multiple Cowboys told her and her family at the hospital following the accident that they had not slept for 36 hours, and that she believes some members were "definitely sleep deprived."

“The driver should never been allowed to depart after a full day's event with our son and too many other passengers with inadequate sleep,” Cumberland said. “It’s of zero relevance that some boys slept while the driver carrying our son fell asleep on the road. This would be the equivalent of saying some boys didn’t drink, but we let a driver drink and drive.”

Cumberland called the Cowboy’s statement “extremely disappointing” as the Cowboys continue to lack ownership of their actions.

“The Cowboys alumni does not accept responsibility for the continued culture of hazing and for the deceptive and dangerous system that was put in place to protect and promote hazing,” Cumberland said in a written statement. “The alumni care only about the preservation of the organization, but not the safety of the individuals.”

During the investigation, Cumberland said the administration told him they were receiving “daily emails and messages seeking leniency (for the Cowboys) even before the results had been released.”

The final sanction for the Cowboys will be decided once the organization decides whether to accept the sanction, appeal or request a formal hearing. The Cowboys leadership team is currently reviewing its options and will make a decision soon, Lopez said. They have until April 10  to make a decision.

The Cowboys remain dedicated to continuing their legacy of service, Lopez said.

“Our organization is committed to learning, growing, and using this tragedy to educate and prepare the next generation of leaders to do better – and to more effectively serve others, Lopez said. “However, we cannot accomplish these goals if the Texas Cowboys are no longer permitted to operate as an official student organization.”

Cumberland called the service the Cowboys provide as “the PR machine at its worst.”

“When I first saw the front page of the Cowboy website assert $250,000 over the 65-year period, my reaction was it must be a typo; that’s a pathetic amount per annum,” Cumberland said. “The Cowboys alumni counts some of the most successful businessmen in the State of Texas.”

The Cowboys’ statement makes the family fear that upon the Cowboy’s return to campus, “nothing will change (again),” Cumberland said.
“Nothing has changed since Gabe Higgins death,” Cumberland said. “There is no ownership, but rather lack of sincere remorse.”

lack of sincere remorse indeed. disgusting.

[Chewbacca 7727]

“The Cowboys alumni does not accept responsibility for the continued culture of hazing and for the deceptive and dangerous system that was put in place to protect and promote hazing,” Cumberland said in a written statement. “The alumni care only about the preservation of the organization, but not the safety of the individuals.”

 

Ain't that the truth?  We've seen it on full display in this thread.

[Gardner Barnes 1562]

lack of sincere remorse indeed. disgusting.

Unless he is a student it’s really weird how devoted he is to the organization. I know a spur that is like that too. He is a 40+ year old man that is still involved with the handlers.

 

Just bizarre.

[relapse98 634]

16 minutes ago, Gardner Barnes said:

Just bizarre.

Some men like grooming younger men. Who are you to judge?

[phdhorn 6224]

Since the kid is co-oping most of this year in Dallas, not sure he heard about the news so we had this little exchange:

Guess he won't be joining the Cowboys soon, one way or another.  But good on him.  He said most of the Cowboys pretty much we're preparing for this anyway, that they were just waiting to be kicked out.  They knew they were fucked.

He's got better plans for his last two years at UT anyway.

Edited March 29, 2019 by phdhorn

[Chewbacca 7727]

Since the kid is co-oping most of this year in Dallas, not sure he heard about the news so we had this little exchange:

Guess he won't be joining the Cowboys soon, one way or another.  But good on him.  He said most of the Cowboys pretty much we're preparing for this anyway, that they were just waiting to be kicked out.  They knew they were fucked.
He's got better plans for his last two years at UT anyway.

He's better off not being associated with those douchenozzles.

[El Diablo 4232]

5 hours ago, relapse98 said:

Some men like grooming younger men. Who are you to judge?

Greek philosophy.

[Blotto 23418]

I hope the Cowboys dont expect 99% of current and past students to give one solitary fuck about their future. The embarrassment they bring this university far outweighs the benefit of a few dudes playing dress up & firing a cannon. 

I'm fairly certain that monumental task can be assigned to other groups. Look at the silver lining, caddox, it will free up more time for you guys to paddle each others bottoms and engage in gerbil play. 

[crash_davis 23078]

so, the the current members include it on their resumes?  

 

interviewer: explain your time with the cowboys, what did you do?

former cowboy: we killed a pledge but it was his fault because he didn't put on his seat belt.  so dumb of him, amirite?

[Pam Cummings 9553]

On 3/28/2019 at 1:44 PM, Caddox said:

If the navigator hadn’t chosen to drive the kid wouldn’t be dead. If the kid hadn’t decided to not wear his seatbelt then he wouldn’t be dead. They made their choice and the cowboys didn’t make it for them. They did, however, provide them with an option that wouldn’t have resulted in tragedy.

Dude, stop it. Alternative transportation was not provided and the evidence supports that. Hence the six year ban. 

 

Also, just at its basic core, isn't a fraternity supposed to be a group of brothers who take care of and look out for each other? What kind of imbicilic shit is this where you're forcing someone to make a drive like that in that condition? Clearly the more seasoned members failed their brother, or I guess potential brother, in this situation. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Pam Cummings

[DaysOff 7821]

I suspect in six years there will be a new University president that isn't a Berkeley pussy, and these clowns will hopefully be permabanned. So disappointed in Fenves I may write a strongly worded letter. Maybe we should wait for the third strike (death).

[phdhorn 6224]

2 hours ago, crash_davis said:

so, the the current members include it on their resumes?  

 

interviewer: explain your time with the cowboys, what did you do?

former cowboy: we killed a pledge but it was his fault because he didn't put on his seat belt.  so dumb of him, amirite?

Actually it all now makes sense.  As their President Furst elaborated (from the AAS article on p.3 here):

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He said the Cowboys were committed to becoming a campus leader in striving to abolish hazing and in emphasizing the importance of wearing seat belts.

What better way to promote the importance of wearing seat belts than setting up a guy to die a violent death if he didn't wear them!  Now THAT'S what I call turbo-emphasis!  I get the picture now!  Man those guys are fucking geniuses!  Another 3-4 killed and I think maybe they'll decide they've made the point!  It's all about responsibility!   All of their activities are set up simply to make us aware of seat belt safety!  I guess when everyone in the world wears a seat belt without exception in all vehicle trips for all time, they'll stop hazing.  Wow, that is just amazingly foresighted!  Bravo!

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12 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

On 3/28/2019 at 7:06 PM, ImissWallyPryor said:

I know you're trying to be objective.

I am. I am also a person who has sacrificed self-determination for membership in a group. Apparently the difference is I'm not ashamed of it.

No one is impressed that you were a Hornsfans moderator, so you should be ashamed of it.

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On 10/3/2018 at 3:34 PM, mapplewhite132 said:

Ugh, so tragic. I saw a blurb in the article that the driver may have fallen asleep at the wheel. I was a cowboy, and remember almost falling asleep at the wheel on the way back from one of these retreats. Not a csb