10/7 AP Top 25 Poll... Texas is #9

[Tex Pete 20019]

31 minutes ago, elfenix said:

10 hours ago, Gut Wagon said:

To me, this doesn’t quite feel like a Top 10 team. Might by season’s end, but not yet. I see us more as Top 15-ish. Hey, we’re a handful of plays away from having three losses. Thankfully, we’re 5-1 instead.
It’s evidently a year in which a bunch of decent teams will take turns “upsetting” each other. In that scenario, I expect voters to ultimately end up with an even more SEC-bloated Top 25 than usual. Nauseating thought...but absent a reason to think otherwise, they’ll default to what they’ve been brainwashed into feeling is the one universal truth.

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Problem I've always run into with "doesn't feel like a top 10 team" is that I usually can't find 10 teams that do

Absolutely. Our resume is better than any other team with a loss. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8781]

I'm confused as to why you guys are arguing any of this.  Any true college football fan knows that past the top 5 teams, the rankings are a crap shoot.  And the top 5 rankings are a crapshoot until you get a good few weeks into the season.  Alabama deserves to be #1.  The rest of the Top 5 is basically interchangeable.  Everyone past that is just slapped in there somewhere because we have to have a weekly Top 25. 

 

It's alabamas world and were living in it. 

A 34 pt road win actually hurt their sagarin predictor score. They were an an outrageous 106 a week or 2 ago..but since arkansas scored 2 4th qtr tds to keep it at 34 instead of in the 40s...bama is back at 102. Still almost TD favorites over OSU. But im taking bama. I

Theyre impossible to beat unless tua goes down. This is probably the best football team of ever

 

And how convenient...they get a bye week before their last "challenge " left, at Lsu

 

[Bullneck 18617]

9 hours ago, Treefidy said:

2020.  UGA and Bama play, they trade games and ESECN has a party over the 3rd game in a season.  

Not sure how their cross division games work, but looking forward Bama has added Tennessee as a cross division game for the next 7 years and they will only play UGA once in the foreseeable future in conference.  

Go figure, a conference that games the game, chooses their bowl matchups, lightens the load with 8 games, artificially inflates the deadbeats in the middle of the pack to secure SOS, and tinkers with cross conference matchups so the best teams don't have to face one another until the CCG. 

Meanwhile we decided a round robin isn't good enough, we have to make sure our best 2 teams face each other twice.  This conference sucks.

I saw something a few years ago that showed an SEC team that had been in the league for 70 or 80 years and only played another team about 40 times.  This was before they split into divisions. 

[tonedeaf 56]

11 hours ago, A Cellar Honker said:

Tom Herman’s teams are notorious for losing to teams that they should beat.  I share your wariness.

Please dear God, not this weekend.  

[Js1 82406]

10 hours ago, Treefidy said:

2020.  UGA and Bama play, they trade games and ESECN has a party over the 3rd game in a season.  

Not sure how their cross division games work, but looking forward Bama has added Tennessee as a cross division game for the next 7 years and they will only play UGA once in the foreseeable future in conference.  

Go figure, a conference that games the game, chooses their bowl matchups, lightens the load with 8 games, artificially inflates the deadbeats in the middle of the pack to secure SOS, and tinkers with cross conference matchups so the best teams don't have to face one another until the CCG. 

Meanwhile we decided a round robin isn't good enough, we have to make sure our best 2 teams face each other twice.  This conference sucks.

Didn't they vote to have permanent cross-division games stay in place that were voted on/considered historical rivalries?  Like Bama-Tenn, Auburn-UGA, Arky-Mizzou, etc.?  Then they rotate the rest of the cross division opponents.

[G650 13063]

Bama Tenner play every year.

[G650 13063]

42 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Didn't they vote to have permanent cross-division games stay in place that were voted on/considered historical rivalries?  Like Bama-Tenn, Auburn-UGA, Arky-Mizzou, etc.?  Then they rotate the rest of the cross division opponents.

Precisely.

[Machinator 32097]

 

[gmr548 16256]

11 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Absolutely. Our resume is better than any other team with a loss. 

LSU would like a word. Though I will concede that the Auburn win doesn't look any better than our USC win at this point. Their loss is a lot less embarrassing/questionable.

[El Squared 1792]

It certainly goes against the grain to question Bama on anything, but.....this season they played:

Louisville, Arky State, Ole Miss, La Lafayette, aggy, piggy.

Yes they will play LSU and they will play Citadel.

What sort of killer SOS is this?

Not any serious test thus far . 

What happens against a real team.

I want to know before I anoint them champions of anything.

[notre dame joe 170]

12 hours ago, Js1 said:

Didn't they vote to have permanent cross-division games stay in place that were voted on/considered historical rivalries?  Like Bama-Tenn, Auburn-UGA, Arky-Mizzou, etc.?  Then they rotate the rest of the cross division opponents.

 

7 hours ago, gmr548 said:

LSU would like a word. Though I will concede that the Auburn win doesn't look any better than Lour USC win at this point. Their loss is a lot less embarrassing/questionable.

LSU and AU would like a word.  With due respect to the other UT, locked into playing UF/UGA every year is the shorter stick.   Surely Bama is working hard on their OOC to make up the difference. 

[gmr548 16256]

2 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

 

LSU and AU would like a word.  With due respect to the other UT, locked into playing UF/UGA every year is the shorter stick.   Surely Bama is working hard on their OOC to make up the difference. 

Auburn does not have a better resume than Texas. Maybe they will at the end of the year, but their future schedule is not relevant. My post was made to point out that LSU losing at Florida is a lot more forgivable than Texas losing to Maryland at a "neutral" site. I really don't understand what you are trying to get at?

[notre dame joe 170]

18 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Auburn does not have a better resume than Texas. Maybe they will at the end of the year, but their future schedule is not relevant. My post was made to point out that LSU losing at Florida is a lot more forgivable than Texas losing to Maryland at a "neutral" site. I really don't understand what you are trying to get at?

Mostly trollin the SEC schedules.  But at this time LSU is quite close to Texas.  Beating OU, TCU I slightly better than AU, Miami but only slightly.  LSU has the more forgivable loss yes. 

 

That being said, it's hard to deny the eventual winner of the SECw will have the best quality wins in all of CFB; even if/when their body bag games are the worst wins in all of CFB.

[El Hornarino 367]

On 10/8/2018 at 5:35 AM, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Theyre impossible to beat unless tua goes down. This is probably the best football team of ever

 

Nah, 2005 USC was the best team ever, obviously.

[Vic Mackey 46586]

It's alabamas world and were living in it. A 34 pt road win actually hurt their sagarin predictor score. They were an an outrageous 106 a week or 2 ago..but since arkansas scored 2 4th qtr tds to keep it at 34 instead of in the 40s...bama is back at 102. Still almost TD favorites over OSU. But im taking bama. I
Theyre impossible to beat unless tua goes down. This is probably the best football team of ever
 
And how convenient...they get a bye week before their last "challenge " left, at Lsu
 

Seems we hear Bama is the best team every quite a bit this decade. Don't know how have times I've seen people actually debate if they could beat an NFL team over the years.

I'm waiting to see Bama actually play someone worth a damn.

[sushihorn 3215]

20 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Auburn does not have a better resume than Texas. Maybe they will at the end of the year, but their future schedule is not relevant. My post was made to point out that LSU losing at Florida is a lot more forgivable than Texas losing to Maryland at a "neutral" site. I really don't understand what you are trying to get at?

Auburn and LSU seem to have "better" losses than Texas.  They certainly don't have better wins.  AU's signature win is Washington and UDub is struggling to beat the dregs of the Pac12 while facing no other ranked team.  LSU has only beaten Miami and Auburn of note.  I'll gladly put OU, TCU and USC up against that.  Add in the fact that the Maryland loss was early and fading fast in relevance and I think Texas can state a very good case for being best 1-loss team TODAY.

[Treefidy 1462]

2 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Mostly trollin the SEC schedules.  But at this time LSU is quite close to Texas.  Beating OU, TCU I slightly better than AU, Miami but only slightly.  LSU has the more forgivable loss yes. 

 

That being said, it's hard to deny the eventual winner of the SECw will have the best quality wins in all of CFB; even if/when their body bag games are the worst wins in all of CFB.

I don't agree with that sentiment.  We know Bama is good, but who else is good in that division?  LSU is probably pretty good, barn, aggy, MSU appear to be ok to somewhat good.  How would the teams not named Bama fare against UT, OU, WVU, TCU?  Or tOSU, pedo, Michigan, whoever. 

we all know about the artificial ranking fuckery, and the scheduling an extra bye game because the conference slate is so hard, and how that brawndo/electrolytes argument works. But that conference as a whole is Bama and the 12 dwarves + UGA,   Start playing more OOC games or expand the playoffs, either way to upgrade the metrics to judge team/conference/schedule quality.  

[BEHorn 1]

Arkansas guy has us 16th

 

[notre dame joe 170]

5 minutes ago, Treefidy said:

I don't agree with that sentiment.  We know Bama is good, but who else is good in that division?  LSU is probably pretty good, barn, aggy, MSU appear to be ok to somewhat good.  How would the teams not named Bama fare against UT, OU, WVU, TCU?  Or tOSU, pedo, Michigan, whoever. 

we all know about the artificial ranking fuckery, and the scheduling an extra bye game because the conference slate is so hard, and how that brawndo/electrolytes argument works. But that conference as a whole is Bama and the 12 dwarves + UGA,   Start playing more OOC games or expand the playoffs, either way to upgrade the metrics to judge team/conference/schedule quality.  

With the SEC it's the One&Done OOC game followed by a school you've never heard of.  They rarely have to get up for more than one quality September opponent.  That being said, UW and Miami are @#2 in their respective conferences and the SEC's 3rd and 4th teams beat them. 

[Treefidy 1462]

Just now, BEHorn said:

Arkansas guy has us 16th

 

Let me guess, pig is 15th and the rest of the SEC makes up 1-14 with Clemson in there somewhere?

[Treefidy 1462]

1 minute ago, notre dame joe said:

With the SEC it's the One&Done OOC game followed by a school you've never heard of.  They rarely have to get up for more than one quality September opponent.  That being said, UW and Miami are @#2 in their respective conferences and the SEC's 3rd and 4th teams beat them. 

I get that, the PAC is pretty much garbage even though I think WSU is pretty good considering their talent deficiencies. ACC has been Clemson and the gang for a while, and Miami has Richt who will get your team to 10 wins consistently but no further.  

Mainly talking about B12 and B1G as credible contrasts to the SEC hype machine.  Oh, and domer of late.  

[sushihorn 3215]

I'm not real worried about UW.  Their schedule so far has been very weak.  They lost to one of the only 2 teams with winning records.  They were locked in a 1 score game with 0-5 UCLA right to the end.  Their best win at this point is probably @ 3-2 Utah.  The Huskies' schedule from here gets much tougher.  They are at Oregon, then CU, at Cal, Stanford, at OSU, at WSU.  If UW doesn't turn it up a couple of notches there are 2 losses in that schedule.

[ChickenSandwich 9751]

I’m not sure how we don’t lose at least one more with road games at Tech and Ok St. + WV. we have had one game now where our O won in a shootout, I’m not sure we can win 3  

I really hoped we turned a corner, but we upset them. I wouldn’t be shocked if we ran the table or lost 3. Now the expectations have been raised and it seems most now expect THIS offense to repeat the OU performance and not the others. 

8 wins won’t cut it now that you’ve had a glimpse at the ceiling 

This is a hell of a lot more fun than the thoughts after Maryland (ie when does basketball start)

[gecko 1104]

Chicken, c'mon man.....you wouldn't be shocked if we lost 3 more games?  You must be expecting injuries because this team, as currently configured, is not losing 3 more regular season games.

[sushihorn 3215]

Texas has faced 3 ranked opponents and scored a minimum of 31 points in those games.  And the 31 was against TCU.  Does anyone see a defense as good as TCU's or even close left on the schedule?  This Longhorn squad can score.  I worry about a slip up against Tech or OkSt but not about the fundamental ability of Texas to put up points.  WVU can beat the Horns' B game so our guys will have to play up to their ability to assure a win there.  Thank God it's in Austin this year.

[hornian 5153]

21 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Texas has faced 3 ranked opponents and scored a minimum of 31 points in those games.  And the 31 was against TCU.  Does anyone see a defense as good as TCU's or even close left on the schedule?  This Longhorn squad can score.  I worry about a slip up against Tech or OkSt but not about the fundamental ability of Texas to put up points.  WVU can beat the Horns' B game so our guys will have to play up to their ability to assure a win there.  Thank God it's in Austin this year.

Agreed. The WVU game being in Austin is the best thing - especially with Grier probably looking for payback for his finger from last year. 

[Katfid54 8575]

35 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

I’m not sure how we don’t lose at least one more with road games at Tech and Ok St. + WV. we have had one game now where our O won in a shootout, I’m not sure we can win 3  

I really hoped we turned a corner, but we upset them. I wouldn’t be shocked if we ran the table or lost 3. Now the expectations have been raised and it seems most now expect THIS offense to repeat the OU performance and not the others. 

8 wins won’t cut it now that you’ve had a glimpse at the ceiling 

This is a hell of a lot more fun than the thoughts after Maryland (ie when does basketball start)

The fact that all three of those teams lack a mobile QB make them much better matchups for us. None of them should put up 30 or more points against us.

[ChickenSandwich 9751]

22 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Texas has faced 3 ranked opponents and scored a minimum of 31 points in those games.  And the 31 was against TCU.  Does anyone see a defense as good as TCU's or even close left on the schedule?  This Longhorn squad can score.  I worry about a slip up against Tech or OkSt but not about the fundamental ability of Texas to put up points.  WVU can beat the Horns' B game so our guys will have to play up to their ability to assure a win there.  Thank God it's in Austin this year.

Worries more about the opponent scoring 40 than us scoring 30

[ChickenSandwich 9751]

With what we saw on Saturday, 100%. 

But 2009 was a long time ago. I want badly to see the offense duplicate this performance. If they do, we will and should be favored in every game, but Maryland, Tulsa and KsT weren’t that long ago and we struggled on O

[Tired of Lurking 637]

Kansas State belongs in the AAC, I agree.

edit: I'm a dumb. Didn't see the 'ranked' qualifier.

Edited October 10, 2018 by Tired of Lurking

[sushihorn 3215]

24 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Worries more about the opponent scoring 40 than us scoring 30

Only OU got to 40 and they needed a complete letdown by our defense to do it.  Of the remaining opponents only Tech has the scoring potential on paper.  But the Raiders are far less explosive than OU.  They have been able to sustain drives against bad defenses.  Texas tends to give up a few big plays but snuff out drives.  WVU barely averages 40 PPG.  The Longhorns are much better than the average defense that stat was compiled against.

I understand the skepticism and outright disbelief at where we are today.  A decade of disappointment and wandering in the wilderness has left us all gun shy about believing that Texas could be one of the top teams in the country again.  I am almost pathologically analytical but I feel the same nagging doubt.  Fortunately the data says that Texas is a damn good team so I have to believe it until we have evidence to the contrary.

[Treefidy 1462]

I like it that we are starting to show that we can close out a game and win, though we still question consistency. 

I will love it when we start stepping on people's throats, don't play down to our opponents and take whole quarters off.  

The second half of this season will tell us a lot about this staff, we only have 1 team left on the schedule who should have a chance against this

 team we have seen these past few weeks. 

[gmr548 16256]

WVU is fully capable of shredding this defense. Put down the kool aid if you think otherwise. This pass defense has been exploited by worse units.

I am not really worried about Tech beyond it being a candidate for the head scratching loss that many, myself included, have a gut feeling is left in store for this team. Tech is the same team they always are. If we show up focused we win comfortably; remember that it took monumental fuck ups on the part of the coaching staff and two boneheaded Ehlinger Q4 turnovers for a decidedly worse Texas team to lose that game last year. Beyond a similar meltdown Texas is better than Tech, period.

Okie State is just a wildcard. If they bring their A game they can definitely beat Texas but Stillwater seems like a mess this year. I feel like we win in a blowout or lose, no grey area.

[JBJ 3591]

Don't sleep on Iowa State.

[sushihorn 3215]

Capable and likely are two different things.  The only semi-decent defense WVU has seen is K-State, who gave up 35 pts on 13 possessions.  WVU scored 40 against Kansas and 42 against Tech.  To me they look like a good offense but not exactly terrifying.  Grier is a very good QB but he's also thrown 6 picks in 3 conference games.  The Mountaineers are dangerous because they combine a strong offense with an above average defense.  That's something none of the other leading conference opponents have.

[ztejas 42745]

On 10/8/2018 at 7:53 PM, El Squared said:

It certainly goes against the grain to question Bama on anything, but.....this season they played:

Louisville, Arky State, Ole Miss, La Lafayette, aggy, piggy.

Yes they will play LSU and they will play Citadel.

What sort of killer SOS is this?

Not any serious test thus far . 

What happens against a real team.

I want to know before I anoint them champions of anything.

Beating the absolute dogshit against everyone on your schedule tends to "skew" the rankings in your favor. I mean their schedule is pretty soft but they've played 4 P5 teams. Ole Miss is 4-2 and beat Tech. Aggy is ranked (unfortunately).

[Bruh Man 3160]

So we jump Washington and Penn State for sure. 

Question is does Georgia drop below us from #2 and does LSU leap frog us from #13. It better not be a situation where both are in front of us. 

I hope (doubt) all the voters realize we played with our starting QB for most of the game. 

 

Edited October 13, 2018 by Bruh Man

[Michael Knight 12664]

Just now, Bruh Man said:

So we jump Washington and Penn State for sure. 

Question is does Georgia drop below us from #2 and does LSU leap frog us from #13. 

I hope (doubt) all the voters realize we played with our starting QB for most of the game. 

We move to 8, Georgia 7 LSU 6

[Effyourcouch 125]

Just now, Michael Knight said:

We move to 8, Georgia 7 LSU 6

My thoughts exactly 

[rickyspub 801]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

We move to 8, Georgia 7 LSU 6

And honestly with how we looked today, I am not sure I disagree if that comes to pass. Ultimately all that matters is the committee picks, but it would be nice to finish the season in the Top 10.

[Brothahorn 10079]

So we jump Washington and Penn State for sure. 
Question is does Georgia drop below us from #2 and does LSU leap frog us from #13. It better not be a situation where both are in front of us. 
I hope (doubt) all the voters realize we played with our starting QB for most of the game. 
 

LSU probably does belong in front. They have beaten 2 ranked teams(2,16) and lost to #14.

[HtownHorn 14293]

9 minutes ago, Effyourcouch said:

My thoughts exactly 

Sounds right, but it eliminates the SEC from getting two teams in unless somehow Georgia beats Bama in the championship game. Though, Georgia may drop another before that game anyway.

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

I don’t know what games are on the slate next week, but Texas could head to Stillwater a top 6 team.  With who knows what at qb. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 12928]

Today was ugly. I’m not even concerned about ranking at this point because I’m not sure the team can consistently play to the current ranking.

[Bigbend1812 12864]

25 minutes ago, Effyourcouch said:

My thoughts exactly 

Don’t forget Tennessee will jump into the top 10. They beat ranked SEC team.    They will squeeze 12 SEC teams into the top 10. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

Just now, Casual Encounter said:

Today was ugly. I’m not even concerned about ranking at this point because I’m not sure the team can consistently play to the current ranking.

ND struggled against Pitt at home today. Clemson barely beat Syracuse at home a few weeks ago. UCF squeaked out a victory today. This shit happens to every one. I wish we scored a touchdown on our second to last drive to make the scoreline better for voters who don't pay attention to things like a 2nd string QB playing nearly all game but overall I'm pleased. 

[Fire Jack Chevigny 938]

Don’t care, just win football games.

[Tex Pete 20019]

2 minutes ago, Fire Jack Chevigny said:

Don’t care, just win football games.

Exactly. Once Sam went down, the goal for the day became survival.

We aren’t winning the playoff with or without Sam this year. We just need to win the conference. Rankings don’t matter much for us beyond respect this season. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 12928]

24 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

ND struggled against Pitt at home today. Clemson barely beat Syracuse at home a few weeks ago. UCF squeaked out a victory today. This shit happens to every one. I wish we scored a touchdown on our second to last drive to make the scoreline better for voters who don't pay attention to things like a 2nd string QB playing nearly all game but overall I'm pleased. 

You're saying winning is hard?

[Tired of Lurking 637]

If iSU wins:

1. Alabama

2. Ohio State

3. Clemson

4. Notre Dame

5. LSU

6. Georgia

7. Texas

8. UCF