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I give up. I don't even know where I live anymore. nsiap.

Austin City Council votes to change Manchaca Rd. to Menchaca Rd. https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/manchaca-or-menchaca-austin-city-council-deciding-on-name-change/1497923196

 

Fucking idiots. If they're gonna 'correct the spelling', then they should be changing it to 'Manchac'.

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AUSTIN (KXAN) — The Austin City Council voted Thursday to change the name of Manchaca Road by one letter to Menchaca. 

The change will take effect Nov. 15.

Supporters say it's meant to correct a historical misspelling. José Antonio Menchaca fought for Texas in the Battle of San Jacinto. His name was first misspelled shortly after the battle.

A retired judge has been keeping up for years with the efforts to change the name.

"It's just wrong. This guy put himself on the line for Texas," said Perkins. "We don't misspell Travis, Bowie, Crockett. If they would have named the town south of here for Davy Crockett how many days do you think it would have taken them to change that? It would have been one day for them to change that."

The Justice for Menchaca organization says taxpayer money will not be used for the change. It raised more than $24,000 to pay to correct the street signs. 

However, those with the Manchaca-Onion Creek Historical Association say it's incorrect. They say the name Manchaca came from Manchaca Springs and say the name was derived from the word "manchac" from the Choctaw Native American Tribe vocabulary.

In a Facebook post, they say: "The Indian influence on the name could be attributed to the fact that the Choctaw, along with other tribes, camped on waterways from Louisiana to Texas. There are two areas in Louisiana that carry that name: Pass Manchac and Manchac Bayou. Both of these are major water features as was Manchaca Springs."

As a board member of Manchaca Onion Creek Historical Assn, a non-profit organization, I will address our organization's research on the name of  Manchac Springs which appears on most accurate maps issued since 1849. The International Great Northern Railroad named the community knowN as Manchaca.  When the railway owners were granted land on each side of the railway, the company sold the lots to businessmen and private citizens. Thus, the community know as Manchaca became more organized and centered around the railway. The current spelling of Manchaca first appears in railroad documents. It seems the owners added an A. 

The builders of the railway would have known about the Springs because of the close proximity to the newly built railway. Food and fresh water were availableIt was well advertised as a premier stage stop known as Manchac Springs. In fact this stage stop's reputation had been touted in many written documents and advertised in Austin papers

Manchaca Springs predates our written history. For centuries Native American tribes (Tonkawa, Choctaw and others) traveled through the region and used the area around the Springs as camping spots.Many artifacts have been located nearby and dated. We trust the recorded history of this area correlates  with the Native American unwritten history and traditions.

With this well documented history in mind and many other historical map and documents substantiating the origin and spelling of the name,  our organization cannot support  changing Manchaca Road to Menchaca Road 

We do not diminish the hero of our country, then state of Texas, Captain Jose Antonio Menchaca, However, there is no proof that Captain Menchaca was ever in this area nor that the  genesis of this name of Manchaca  Springs was to honor his service to our state. 

This spelling of Manchaca Road leads to a community named Manchaca  which boasts a long history and pride in its origins.. 

Respectfully, 

Linda Barrett, Manchaca Onion Creek Historical Assn.

 

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11 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I don't even want to ask what those snowflakes are upset about - probably democracy.

The street block really needs to stop. I'm all for protesting, but shutting down a street is potentially dangerous.

Very dangerous, but hey, man ... what about their feelings?

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15 minutes ago, F250 said:

They should also mandate that the proper pronunciation of Guadalupe be used. Fucking gringos, man.

I realize you're probably joking, but see, the thing is 'Manchac' is the correct pronunciation. I actually learned that in all of this, that it's an actually word and not just a gringo mispronunciation. The lack of thought that went into the vote is staggering. But then again it's our genius CC that we're talking about...

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This whole story is so Austin. Misplaced White guilt. Hispanics claiming ignorance of history. Nobody really knows the whole story or what the truth is. Calling a street something completely different than its actual name. Wasting taxpayer dollars on something completely irrelevant. Pretty much sums up a whole lot of COA controversies. 

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17 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

This whole story is so Austin. Misplaced White guilt. Hispanics claiming ignorance of history. Nobody really knows the whole story or what the truth is. Calling a street something completely different than its actual name. Wasting taxpayer dollars on something completely irrelevant. Pretty much sums up a whole lot of COA controversies. 

And it will be several years before anyone living on "Menchaca" will get their mail delivered correctly.

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22 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

One of my favorite Kelso columns was when he talked about how Travis Heights used to be and remarked how the richest guy in Travis Heights was a guy who had a steady job at the State. 

Not anymore.

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2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Does it make me wrong that watching an "abuse of police power" peppering spraying these morons would be a gleeful experience for me?

I mean, at least BLM wouldn't care because nearly all of these people at every one of these things are white, apparently jobless, snowflakes that other than their fellow white, jobless snowflakes nobody gives a fuck about.

how would that be an abuse of power? it is ridiculous that they let them sit there for 3 hours before arresting them. should have been over in 30 minutes.

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On 10/8/2018 at 8:50 AM, Wally Pryor said:

Let's protest somewhere, anywhere.  If not on Manchaca Road, then on a major artery in the city in the middle of a busy day. 

Let's shut the fucker down for 3+ hours. 

Seemed to go real well this past weekend. 

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"AUSTIN (KXAN) — The Austin City Council voted Thursday to change the name of Manchaca Road by one letter to Menchaca. 

The change will take effect Nov. 15.

Supporters say it's meant to correct a historical misspelling. José Antonio Menchaca fought for Texas in the Battle of San Jacinto. His name was first misspelled shortly after the battle.

A retired judge has been keeping up for years with the efforts to change the name.

"It's just wrong. This guy put himself on the line for Texas," said Perkins. "We don't misspell Travis, Bowie, Crockett. If they would have named the town south of here for Davy Crockett how many days do you think it would have taken them to change that? It would have been one day for them to change that."

The Justice for Menchaca organization says taxpayer money will not be used for the change. It raised more than $24,000 to pay to correct the street signs. 

However, those with the Manchaca-Onion Creek Historical Association say it's incorrect. They say the name Manchaca came from Manchaca Springs and say the name was derived from the word "manchac" from the Choctaw Native American Tribe vocabulary.

In a Facebook post, they say: "The Indian influence on the name could be attributed to the fact that the Choctaw, along with other tribes, camped on waterways from Louisiana to Texas. There are two areas in Louisiana that carry that name: Pass Manchac and Manchac Bayou. Both of these are major water features as was Manchaca Springs."

As a board member of Manchaca Onion Creek Historical Assn, a non-profit organization, I will address our organization's research on the name of  Manchac Springs which appears on most accurate maps issued since 1849. The International Great Northern Railroad named the community knowN as Manchaca.  When the railway owners were granted land on each side of the railway, the company sold the lots to businessmen and private citizens. Thus, the community know as Manchaca became more organized and centered around the railway. The current spelling of Manchaca first appears in railroad documents. It seems the owners added an A. 

The builders of the railway would have known about the Springs because of the close proximity to the newly built railway. Food and fresh water were availableIt was well advertised as a premier stage stop known as Manchac Springs. In fact this stage stop's reputation had been touted in many written documents and advertised in Austin papers

Manchaca Springs predates our written history. For centuries Native American tribes (Tonkawa, Choctaw and others) traveled through the region and used the area around the Springs as camping spots.Many artifacts have been located nearby and dated. We trust the recorded history of this area correlates  with the Native American unwritten history and traditions.

With this well documented history in mind and many other historical map and documents substantiating the origin and spelling of the name,  our organization cannot support  changing Manchaca Road to Menchaca Road 

We do not diminish the hero of our country, then state of Texas, Captain Jose Antonio Menchaca, However, there is no proof that Captain Menchaca was ever in this area nor that the  genesis of this name of Manchaca  Springs was to honor his service to our state. 

This spelling of Manchaca Road leads to a community named Manchaca  which boasts a long history and pride in its origins.. 

Respectfully, 

Linda Barrett, Manchaca Onion Creek Historical Assn."

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46 minutes ago, wood said:

The road wasn't misspelled. It wasn't named after Menchaca in the first place.

Um, right, wrong.  Try harder.  It was both a misspelling and believed to be a slight. 

Also, why fight it?  Why support some version that is far-fetched with no tie to the area.  It seems arbitrary some would support a version that has absolutely no tie to the area when there is concrete support of someone with ties to the area.     

The land grant from Texas clearly was made to Menchaca who also clearly mapped and mispelled his name as Manchaca. 

Perkins believes the Manchac version was a slight done for business reasons based in racism.  Whether the business reasons motive were good or bad, doesnt matter, given the time period, seems plausible to me.  Hell they didn't even care to get his name right.  

Lastly, its not like the name is being changed from Manchac to Menchaca.  This matter was settled in 1880.  It was agreed then that it was named for Manchaca.  Still mispelled.   

This isn't whitewashing history.  It's getting it right while doing the right thing.  The elementary school got it right years ago.  Ignorance could be understood in 1880, not now.  Change the name. 

http://www.kut.org/post/whats-name-long-debate-over-manchaca-versus-menchaca   

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Um, it says right there in your own fucking link that there is absolutely no evidence that Menchaca ever visited the springs, and there is documentation of the spelling Manchac that predates the Pelham grant. Try harder.

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5 hours ago, po elvis said:

how would that be an abuse of power? it is ridiculous that they let them sit there for 3 hours before arresting them. should have been over in 30 minutes.

Oh, it would have been an abuse of power.   And it should been over in 15 minutes.    

Protest near the bridge if you want.  I'll see you and get your point, and will at least appreciate what concerns you have.  But blocking me from my ability to drive over the bridge only produces unbridled hatred for you and a wish that you be given a pepper spray bath from hell. 

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Um, it says right there in your own fucking link that there is absolutely no evidence that Menchaca ever visited the springs, and there is documentation of the spelling Manchac that predates the Pelham grant. Try harder.

Lol, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.  That's ok hoss.  
 

All we know are the facts:

Both Seguin and Menchaca served and fought for Texas and rode from Austin to San Antonio thru present day Manchaca many times.    

For his service, Seguin was deeded land in the area and it was named after him.  

Menchaca was a captain to Seguin.

For his service, Menchaca was deeded land in the area.  

The deeds awarded to Menchaca misspelled his name Manchaca. 

The original name of the town in question, regardless of why, WAS Manchaca.  It was NOT named Manchac.

Later in 1850 Manchaca was bought and renamed Manchac.  No one really knows why but that provides documents supporting "Manchac".

In 1880 Manchac was bought back and renamed back to Manchaca in honor of Menchaca.   

Those are the facts.       

Given those, it seems obtuse to me to try and argue that the original reason for naming the area Manchaca was not because of Menchaca. Not only are there no facts to support the theory that the original name was Manchac but what little they have also has NO correlation to Texas history or the context of the time.  There's is the point that the word Manchac simply exists taken from a French word that describes a bayou in the Mississippi Delta.  jennlawrenceOK.gif

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Also, the professor was stating a maxim.  Of course there isn't a document that states Menchaca ever visited the spring(s).  That's because they weren't/aren't a destination.  Anyone who has owned any sizable amount of property in the area would know why, haha.  

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