UCF May Force The Issue

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

They would have smoked you guys with Milton. 

“you guys”...lol. fucking yankee.

[Ricky Butler 2662]

4 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

 

“you guys”...lol. fucking yankee.

 

Nerp 

[Mileslong 4718]

If only there were some way to ensure that UCF (or Boise, or anyone else who isn't in the SEC) has at least a theoretical pathway to winning its NCAA division championship before the season starts. Oh yeah, the 8+ team field playoff. If only this pathway did not require UF, UT, or any other school to make special concessions they don't care to make. Oh, yeah, it doesn't. UCF would probably not win the tournament, but Cinderellas not only occasionally happen, they are pretty darn entertaining. If UCF wins its bowl, they will extend their FBS-best unbeaten streak and will have two bowl victories over the $EC in it.

Ifs and buts, UCF isn’t winning anything and they don’t deserve to as long as they play their creampuff schedule every year. I thought we put this to bed...

[sushihorn 3233]

7 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

Ifs and buts, UCF isn’t winning anything and they don’t deserve to as long as they play their creampuff schedule every year. I thought we put this to bed...

UCF never had the leverage to FORCE anything.  What little leverage they had evaporated when the clock struck zeroes in their bowl game, regardless of the circumstances.  They have no one to blame but themselves.  OU made it to the CFP with one loss.  It's not the first time and SOS is a big reason why.  Until UCF fixes that, they really need to quit whining.

LSU was a three loss team for those UCF fans that didn't notice.  If UCF can't beat the 3-loss teams, what makes anyone think they deserve a shot at the unbeatens with similar SOS?

Edited January 11, 2019 by sushihorn

[Magus Ossis 2784]

4 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

Ifs and buts, UCF isn’t winning anything and they don’t deserve to as long as they play their creampuff schedule every year. I thought we put this to bed...

Bama is unbeatable and Texas doesn’t have a chance against UGA. UCF had a closer finish than UGA or Bama (UCF playing without their starting QB). LSU was missing guys, too. The point is that settling it on the field is the way many prefer it done. If FBS is all one division, anyone in FBS should be able to make the playoff by never losing. Split the division,  let teams actually play for the chance to be the champ, or stop pretending we have a champ. We have a semi-anointed champ as it now stands. The final polls, for whatever they are worth, say that the number 3 team did not get a chance to play for the title. Compare the UCF OOC schedule with the average SEC OOC schedule. Where there is choice, they match up quite favorably. Is SEC going to invite UCF? No. Lesser conference teams usually lose, but there is fairness in letting all members of a division compete, and there is excitement when Boise SoLs OU.

[Jkwellborn 6658]

 
shut the fuck up...that QB had 3 previous starts under his belt as well as a shit ton of PT through the year. we were down 9 defensive starters and playing a receiver at corner who’d never practiced on that side of the ball and we still shut them down.
 
if the QB is back, then give us our defense at full strength.
 
who fucks who then...

Shut them down must mean different things in LA.

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

Shut them down must mean different things in LA.

holding them to 250 total yards is in fact shutting them down.

a pick 6 and a red zone start after a muffed punt accounted for 14 pts for UCF.

[rickyspub 801]

16 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

Bama is unbeatable and Texas doesn’t have a chance against UGA. UCF had a closer finish than UGA or Bama (UCF playing without their starting QB). LSU was missing guys, too. The point is that settling it on the field is the way many prefer it done. If FBS is all one division, anyone in FBS should be able to make the playoff by never losing. Split the division,  let teams actually play for the chance to be the champ, or stop pretending we have a champ. We have a semi-anointed champ as it now stands. The final polls, for whatever they are worth, say that the number 3 team did not get a chance to play for the title. Compare the UCF OOC schedule with the average SEC OOC schedule. Where there is choice, they match up quite favorably. Is SEC going to invite UCF? No. Lesser conference teams usually lose, but there is fairness in letting all members of a division compete, and there is excitement when Boise SoLs OU.

But 'settling it on the field' is also subjective when one team plays a schedule that isn't like the others vying for a playoff spot. 'Never losing' doesn't mean 'perfect' if one team never loses against a schedule that all of the P5 teams in the Top 25 would also get through without losing. FBS is one division out of history and convenience. UCF could drop down to FCS if they want a chance at a title. They have instead stayed for the money. They and the rest of the G5 accepted $85M per season for a 4-team playoff chosen by a committee that represents the P5, not the G5. They could have said no and forced the P5 to split off. To complain about it now reeks of opportunism.

[Valmy77 13125]

23 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

They and the rest of the G5 accepted $85M per season for a 4-team playoff chosen by a committee that represents the P5, not the G5. They could have said no and forced the P5 to split off. To complain about it now reeks of opportunism.

Of course it is. They want to be in the club with the P5, not with the FCS. Is that some sort of shocking and startling revelation?

And don't forget that many of the current P5 schools were G5 equivalent in the past. 

Edited January 11, 2019 by Valmy77

[Magus Ossis 2784]

17 minutes ago, rickyspub said:

But 'settling it on the field' is also subjective when one team plays a schedule that isn't like the others vying for a playoff spot. 'Never losing' doesn't mean 'perfect' if one team never loses against a schedule that all of the P5 teams in the Top 25 would also get through without losing. FBS is one division out of history and convenience. UCF could drop down to FCS if they want a chance at a title. They have instead stayed for the money. They and the rest of the G5 accepted $85M per season for a 4-team playoff chosen by a committee that represents the P5, not the G5. They could have said no and forced the P5 to split off. To complain about it now reeks of opportunism.

I agree scheduling plays favorites. Texas plays a real schedule, while Auburn only faces 10 FBS schools. It is the same thing as UCF except in degree. It is compounded by the benefit Auburn, e.g., receives by being marketed by their conference’s sponsor, MickEySPN. UCF is not likely to be the team most worthy of a crack at #1 left out in the long run, but they illustrate the flaw: there are 10 conferences and at least one serious independent candidate. Of those, 5 conferences are recognized as premier. There are literally not enough slots should the elite conference champions have the same records. It then becomes a beauty contest followed by a playoff. The field should be designed so it is at least as big as the reasonably foreseeable list of legitimate aspirants. Especially 4 is not enough given the tendency the committee has to look on a conference runner-up Bama as a qualified contender. I agree that G5 should be considered lower division (or P5 higher— same thing really). I don’t think games should be 2 divisions down, and hence the current G5 would be the lowest tier top schools could play. Until the split occurs, I don’t think an ex post facto decision about how good a SOS is should be applied to keep a division member from being, as the ad at the NC game falsely claimed all FBS schools are, eligible to play for the title irrespective of W/L.

[rickyspub 801]

2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Of course it is. They want to be in the club with the P5, not with the FCS. Is that some sort of shocking and startling revelation?

And don't forget that many of the current P5 schools were G5 equivalent in the past. 

The shocking revelation is the idea being suggested that if UCF had just scheduled and beat Florida in the regular season it would legitimize them as playoff contenders, regardless of the fact that there are 11 other games that delegitimize their claim. 

Prior standing doesn't really matter. If the P5 split off, they are taking programs like Wake Forest and Boston College that probably don't deserve to be there and leaving behind programs like BYU and perhaps UCF and Boise State that are making a real financial attempt at trying to belong in the upper half of the division. Over time teams will move up and down just like they do currently, but the threshold for being in the top group will be more than the silly 15,000 average home attendance.

[Cornfusion 250]

3 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

 

holding them to 250 total yards is in fact shutting them down.

a pick 6 and a red zone start after a muffed punt accounted for 14 pts for UCF.

 

So, isn't offense and special teams part of the "we" to which you refer?  Or do you rent those parts of your team from a third party vendor and they no way figure into "we"?

 

[Machinator 32098]