Texas @ OSU 10/27 7:00 PM ABC

[Go Pokes 979]

Get over yourself.
"Being a dick" is kind of one of the the organizing principles of Shaggy/Surly.  Yeah, it's a Texas board in origin, but there are tons of fans from other Big 12 schools and all over who have been regular posters here for quite some time.
So pulling the whole, "know your place" shit kind of rings hollow on this particular board at this particular time. That sounds like something I would have read on a Rivals message board in 2003.

That’s Pete for you. He comes in with the cursing,name calling, and exclamation points and he thinks I’m being a dick.

[Go Pokes 979]

This has become really tiresome. Go Pokes specifically called me out on this thread over the OSU game in 2015. He is the one still living in fantasyland over that game to the extent that he felt the need to poke the bear. He’s a shitty poster and he got what he wanted. 

I called you out? I mentioned nobody had called me any names and that made me wonder where you were. And then you show up and don’t disappoint. You are really sensitive. Maybe this internet thing isn’t for someone with your anger issues.

[Tex Pete 20348]

1 minute ago, Go Pokes said:

I called you out? I mentioned nobody had called me any names and that made me wonder where you were. And then you show up and don’t disappoint. 

 

Exactly. Fuck off. 

[PencilPusher 454]

So as to the upcoming game, the key to this week is "explosives". OSU's path to victory is hit a bunch of big plays. Their offense is Top 10 in generating explosive plays this year....our defense has struggled preventing them. So get out your Greg Davis explosives counter and track both sides. If there is a significant difference in explosive plays in favor of OSU, they will win....it is probably that simple. Worth mentioning again that the only 2 teams that have scored more than 21 points against Texas are also in the Top 10 in explosiveness this year.  I'd expect Gundy and Co to throw the kitchen sink at Texas in the first quarter-trickeration, misdirection, etc. to get some quick points. They'll look to try to jump Texas the way Maryland did. If OSU is in the 20's in terms of points by halftime, they should be feeling good. OSU will not be able to generate long sustained drives against this defense given Texas' propensity to stop those kinds of drives plus OSU's penalty and turnover issues this year. They are also below average on 3rd and long and have given up lots of sacks and pressure. This is a team that needs to hit big plays and get good field position. Don't be surprised if OSU hits 30 or more this game. The matchups favor that unless turnovers play a big factor. And they could because OSU is -3 for the year and Cornelius has already tossed 8 INT's. 

On offense, Texas will have to be somewhat different out of necessity this game. Even if Ehlinger starts (which we may not know until gametime), he will likely be on a pitch count in terms of QB runs and Texas will probably only use that in key situations (short yardage, goaline, etc.). That means Texas has to change how it sets up the run. Unfortunately, not sure there is any Sam Wyche 2 back offense (think Ickey Woods/James Brooks for the old timers out there) in the playbook so generating run opportunities will be tougher as was seen in the Baylor game with Shane. The QB's should be drilled this week on counting the box and if it is a running play into a stacked box, check to a WR screen and vice versa. Texas had success with that against BU late and think it should be a key component of the "run game" this week. OSU's run defense is average, but can't give them easy looks to defend (i.e run into an 8 man box). Alabama can do that-Texas can't(this year anyway). Gotta hope the downfield passing game is crisper this week now that Shane has had some reps with the ones. Can't afford to miss opportunities that should be available. OSU's defense has been generating sacks this year...it appears to be about the only thing the defense does well which is why 3rd and 10 isn't a winning play for Texas this week, despite the fact that Texas is actually in the Top quartile of 3rd and long conversion percentage this year. Texas needs to go into this game thinking 35 points + is what it will take to win. 

Special teams has a tilt to OSU on the strength of their kicking game. Their kicker is a proven junior who has only missed one attempt this year. Texas' kicker is an emerging freshman that has already missed 5 attempts. Their punting has also been better- Zach Sinor is a veteran who has been netting almost 5 yards more per punt than Bujcevski. At least Buj is coming off his best game as a punter and it was the first week that a bad punt did not lead to opponent points. Neither team has a return game to shout about, but Texas has generated a couple of big punt returns this year. 

Expect a tight game (surprise). I'll buck S&P and say Texas wins (and covers the - 3 spread), but it will be a 4th quarter game. Texas at least knows how to play these types of games this season. 

Now back to reliving 2015 and determining OSU's place amongst the serfs of the Big 12 who must pay homage to the royalty that is Texas. 

[Pig Bellmont 8715]

20 minutes ago, PencilPusher said:

If there is a significant difference in explosive plays in favor of OSU, they will win....it is probably that simple. 

I think this is overly simplistic. Doesn’t account for turnovers for one thing. 

Texas is going to make use of the slant and screen to make up for less QB mobility, and OSU is trash. Homecoming be damned, this seems more like a team about to mutiny rather than over perform to avenge a dead player. Texas by 2 TDs 

[Doc Holliday 199]

There's a lot of opportunity for DBU to shine in this game.  I'll take our chances with Mattress Firm duo #tothematts and our whole backfield having a big game

[oSuJeff97 3435]

42 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I think this is overly simplistic. Doesn’t account for turnovers for one thing. 

Texas is going to make use of the slant and screen to make up for less QB mobility, and OSU is trash. Homecoming be damned, this seems more like a team about to mutiny rather than over perform to avenge a dead player. Texas by 2 TDs 

Agreed with this.

But more specifically, we find new and interesting ways to suck each week.  Sometimes the offense plays great but the defense is trash (Iowa State game); sometimes the defense does an OK job but the offense is trash (Kansas State game, 2nd half of Tech game); the special teams, outside of the kicker, is always trash. Oh and we have a fun habit of committing numerous back-breaking penalties.... we average close to 100 yards in penalties per game.

Home field doesn't mean shit. We haven't played really well at home consistently in like 3 years.   Unless Texas goes out and turns the ball over 3(ish) times, they'll roll.

Edited October 23, 2018 by oSuJeff97

[Valmy77 13226]

I will be surprised if we roll, no matter how sucky OSU might play, our team's MO is to let up when they get ahead and keep the game close. It will be a close game and OSU will have a chance.

[PencilPusher 454]

20 minutes ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Agreed with this.

But more specifically, we find new and interesting ways to suck each week.  Sometimes the offense plays great but the defense is trash (Iowa State game); sometimes the defense does an OK job but the offense is trash (Kansas State game, 2nd half of Tech game); the special teams, outside of the kicker, is always trash. Oh and we have a fun habit of committing numerous back-breaking penalties.... we average close to 100 yards in penalties per game.

Home field doesn't mean shit. We haven't played really well at home consistently in like 3 years.   Unless Texas goes out and turns the ball over 3(ish) times, they'll roll.

I wouldn't say you are trash, but this year you are Maryland with better offensive talent & coaching. While the analysis above was somewhat simplistic, I do think OSU has shown the ability to hit big plays all year (you are 5th in big play rate in the country....Texas by comparison is ranked 107th) and our defense has shown a propensity to give them up. If you were to look at the scoring drives against us this year, they almost all have 1 or 2 20+ yard plays on the drive. No one is going 10 plays and 70+ yards against our defense much at all this year (which is a contrast to what our offense is doing to most defenses). Mentioned that penalties and turnovers were a big governor in your offense and if they pop up, you won't get to 30.

If OSU executes at an average level on offense and hits 8-10 20+ yard plays, I don't see why they don't get to 30 on our defense. By the way,  OSU is averaging a 20+ yard play every 8-9 snaps this year, so getting 8-10 may not be a stretch. It sounds like your issue is consistency and that is the one area I think Texas has done a significantly better job then OSU this year is execution, particularly on offense. If Texas rolls, it will be because we limit the big play coupled with continued excellence in offensive execution (limiting turnovers, high 3rd down conversion rate, few sacks allowed).

Lets see what happens. I still forsee a 35-31 type game. S&P has us losing by a touchdown. Vegas sees us by a FG. Should be interesting. 

[BurdineBandit 815]

40 minutes ago, PencilPusher said:

If OSU executes at an average level on offense and hits 8-10 20+ yard plays, I don't see why they don't get to 30 on our defense. By the way,  OSU is averaging a 20+ yard play every 8-9 snaps this year, so getting 8-10 may not be a stretch. It sounds like your issue is consistency and that is the one area I think Texas has done a significantly better job then OSU this year is execution, particularly on offense. If Texas rolls, it will be because we limit the big play coupled with continued excellence in offensive execution (limiting turnovers, high 3rd down conversion rate, few sacks allowed).

 

Averages sound good when discussing statistics, but so does mentioning that they played South Alabama and Missouri State early on. Did you account for that? How about the fact that they only put up 17 on Tech and 12 on Kansas State, and already have a game against Kansas to factor into their statistics?

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Averages sound good when discussing statistics, but so does mentioning that they played South Alabama and Missouri State early on. Did you account for that? How about the fact that they only put up 17 on Tech and 12 on Kansas State, and already have a game against Kansas to factor into their statistics?

Yep. T Poon averages paying the refs $100K per game.....

[TreatyOak 16313]

16 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

Is love to hear more about where Pete thinks my place should be.

[Skipper 6133]

1 hour ago, BurdineBandit said:

Averages sound good when discussing statistics, but so does mentioning that they played South Alabama and Missouri State early on. Did you account for that? How about the fact that they only put up 17 on Tech and 12 on Kansas State, and already have a game against Kansas to factor into their statistics?

Even the Boise St. game seems to have been somewhat closer than the blowout it looks like reading the scoreboard.  2 blocked punts led to 14 points.  Edit, of course considering how close we've had to getting punts blocked, that doesn't make me feel great either.

Edited October 23, 2018 by Skipper

[El Squared 1802]

5 hours ago, ShowmeyourTDs said:

That's what the "N" on the side of the Nebraska helmets signify: "Nowledge"

[Tex Pete 20348]

3 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Agreed with this.

But more specifically, we find new and interesting ways to suck each week.  Sometimes the offense plays great but the defense is trash (Iowa State game); sometimes the defense does an OK job but the offense is trash (Kansas State game, 2nd half of Tech game); the special teams, outside of the kicker, is always trash. Oh and we have a fun habit of committing numerous back-breaking penalties.... we average close to 100 yards in penalties per game.

You're experiencing what we've been suffering through for the last decade: poor QB play. It matters, and the leadership vacuum impacts every aspect of the team. Fortunately for you, I expect Gundy to get it fixed much, much sooner than Mack Brown and Charlie Strong, who are both likely stuck in their offices somewhere, trying to remember where the door is.

Edited October 23, 2018 by Tex Pete

['stache 21805]

We've been pretty good at limiting our time without good QB play.  I really think Spencer Sanders will do well for us, or someone we aren't even talking about will step up in the next year or two.  And Corndog would be fine if the o-line was better and if our defense could stop anyone other than Boise State.

[Tex Pete 20348]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

We've been pretty good at limiting our time without good QB play.  I really think Spencer Sanders will do well for us, or someone we aren't even talking about will step up in the next year or two.  And Corndog would be fine if the o-line was better and if our defense could stop anyone other than Boise State.

I am sure. And I should have said inconsistent QB play. Gundy knows what he is looking for and what he expects from his charges. He won't waste time like we did.

[staboner 4969]

2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

[oSuJeff97 3435]

43 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I am sure. And I should have said inconsistent QB play. Gundy knows what he is looking for and what he expects from his charges. He won't waste time like we did.

Wanna bet?  Gundy is the master of wasting games on inferior QBs because they have "experience."  He's just been lucky that a couple of NFL-caliber QBs fell into his lap a few times.  To boot:

• In 2006-07, it was crystal clear to everyone with eyes that Zac Robinson was better than Bobby Reid, but Gundy stubbornly stuck with Reid until it was completely obvious to even him that Robinson needed to be the starter. (As it were, the first Robinson start was the famous "I'm a Man! I'm 40!" game against Texas Tech)
• Then, in 2009 when Zac Robinson was injured (separated throwing shoulder) Gundy played backup Alex Cate when he had a walk-on named Brandon Weeden on the bench.  After Cate spent a half doing nothing against a terrible Colorado team, he put Weeden in during the second half who promptly threw TD passes all over the place and we came back and won.
• Then, he refused to put Weeden in during our last two games (Bedlam and bowl game) for some weird reason when it was clear to everyone with eyeballs that Zac Robinson was still injured and ineffective.
• In 2014 as the team was losing 5 straight games and going into a death spiral, he refused to put in Mason Rudolph (true freshman at the time) after J.W. Walsh was injured and a journeyman transfer named Daxx Garman played instead. Finally, when you guys just about broke Garman in half, Gundy was forced to play Rudolph and we looked like a totally different team.  We finished the season 2-1, beating OU in Norman and winning our bowl game.

In every case above, Gundy favored playing the QB with "experience in the system" over the clearly more talented QB.  And also in every case above, we looked like a totally different team when the better/more talented QB came in, from Zac Robinson in '07 to Brandon Weeden in '09 to Mason Rudolph in '14.

I don't know if Spencer Sanders is going to be the next great OSU QB, but I'm willing to bet he's more talented than Taylor Cornelius.  I can also guarantee you that Gundy isn't going to play him unless/until his hand is forced if Cornellius gets injured.

[Go Pokes 979]

So please injure Cornelius for us.  

[Tex Pete 20348]

1 hour ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Wanna bet?  Gundy is the master of wasting games on inferior QBs because they have "experience."  He's just been lucky that a couple of NFL-caliber QBs fell into his lap a few times. 

I gotcha. I just meant years and years, like we have done. But I feel your pain.

Edited October 23, 2018 by Tex Pete

[Istian 241]

2 hours ago, Go Pokes said:

So please injure Cornelius for us.  

Preferably in garbage time in the 4th when Texas is winningly handily. 

[Go Pokes 979]

Preferably in garbage time in the 4th when Texas is winningly handily. 

Troof. The last thing you want to see is anyone other than #14 playing QB.

[satyanash 14481]

Anyone happen to have this?

 

[lonestar3 274]

Anyone happen to have this?
 

Cornelius injured his hand.

[ztejas 43419]

3 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Anyone happen to have this?

 

This dick?

[thepop 4409]

That's bad news?

[UDontKnow 10444]

Venturing a guess here...Ehlinger won't play?

[mulletpelini 5211]

I picked Texas to win out, that's the bad news.

[Machinator 32099]

A couple Texas starters are going to be (temporarily) benched for violations of team rules.

Edited October 24, 2018 by Machinator

[CastHorn 811]

What’s going on? Are y’all just throwing out bad scenarios for Texas?

[Machinator 32099]

Just now, CastHorn said:

What’s going on? Are y’all just throwing out bad scenarios for Texas?

No, I just told you what the report was. No names were given.

[Tailgate 3021]

How are the fans in Stillwater? Slightly tempted to hop on a plane for this one...never been...but don’t want to fight anyone.

[Valmy77 13226]

37 minutes ago, Machinator said:

No, I just told you what the report was. No names were given.

Spreading misinformation to mess with Gundy's head? Tom Herman you magnificent bastard.

[LTtxfan 49179]

41 minutes ago, Machinator said:

A couple Texas starters are going to be (temporarily) benched for violations of team rules.

Guess Hermanator gonna get after Captains and other Leaders to clean this shit up and focus on 1-0.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

A couple Texas starters are going to be (temporarily) benched for violations of team rules.

Hearing the rumor is Boyd and Davis. Late to practice. Sitting a quarter.

[4th and 5 4914]

Can Mensa punish just them and not me too?

my ass was on time all day long, and I need the W

[Radical Larry 28587]

[Valmy77 13226]

14 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

 

Hearing the rumor is Boyd and Davis. Late to practice. Sitting a quarter.

 

Well at least it was at a position we have some depth in.

Probably won't help that whole 'first drive we give up a touchdown' thing though.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

8 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

 

Hearing the rumor is Boyd and Davis. Late to practice. Sitting a quarter.

 

Omenihu and Hager apparently.

[Bob Lives! 900]

So if we win the toss we take the ball first and burn clock?


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[South Austin 52475]

Hold those guys out for the opening kickoff.  Lessons learned and justice served.

[taybo20 2825]

Wtf.

[Doc Holliday 199]

was hager recording the video this time?

[jdhorn92 1545]

9 hours ago, Tailgate said:

How are the fans in Stillwater? Slightly tempted to hop on a plane for this one...never been...but don’t want to fight anyone.

I went to one game (the game Hodges Mitchell took opening play 80 yards to the house) up there, drove up and back in a day from Dallas.  Fans were fine, we spent a little time at Joes, then walked to the game, no issues, nice people.  In my younger years however, Stillwater was a lot of fun...the Wormy Dog, the Weed etc..were fun bars.  Had a bunch of buddies from HS that were Sigma Nus there and it was always a hoot.  This was back in the day when Garth Brooks worked the door at one of those bars. 

[Machinator 32099]

56 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Omenihu and Hager apparently.

Nope

[Schulz2.0 28951]

44 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Nope

['stache 21805]

How are the fans in Stillwater? Slightly tempted to hop on a plane for this one...never been...but don’t want to fight anyone.

I, for one, carry a baseball bat covered in barbed wire and pummel anyone I see wearing opposing gear. But that’s just me.

[Skipper 6133]

10 hours ago, Tailgate said:

How are the fans in Stillwater? Slightly tempted to hop on a plane for this one...never been...but don’t want to fight anyone.

Great.  My favorite big 12 road trip.

[Magus Ossis 2798]

The corners’ getting penalized for being late to practice worries me a little not so much because I think OSU will score at will on our 2s as because it may reflect a current of emotional let-down among the players after that tough stretch and bye.