2018-19 NBA Season Thread

[Machinator 32097]

Huh? That was the right call.

[Goo Punch 4275]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

Huh? That was the right call.

no way. that ball did not hit the rim. i cant even believe my luck at this moment, but my fucking remote just broke and is not rewinding right now, otherwise i would récord the replay and post it here. There was a replay that they showed only once which definitively showed that the ball did not hit the rim. I have no idea why they kept showing th other angle 50 times,  it i'd bet money that ball did not touch the rim. 

[Machinator 32097]

Just now, Goo Punch said:

no way. that ball did not hit the rim. i cant even believe my luck at this moment, but my fucking remote just broke and is not rewinding right now, otherwise i would récord the replay and post it here. There was a replay that they showed only once which definitively showed that the ball did not hit the rim. I have no idea why they kept showing th other angle 50 times,  it i'd bet money that ball did not touch the rim. 

The ball changed trajectory such that there was no way it couldn't have hit the rim.

Fortunately, it didn't matter.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Machinator

[Braff Zacklin 13420]

To me, just didn't seem like a definitive angle to overturn the call. But I walked away for a bit and might've missed one

[hobbes2702 12833]

Derka I saw the angle you’re talking about but how else do you explain the clear change of direction the ball took?

[Goo Punch 4275]

5 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Huh? That was the right call.

Turner will probably delete this video within minutes, so watch it now:

 

[aggie08 21434]

Yeah, it hit the bottom of the backboard, then grazed the very bottom of the rim, and careened straight down. Still a tough one to overturn though.

[Goo Punch 4275]

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

The ball changed trajectory such that there was no way it couldn't have hit the rim.

Fortunately, it didn't matter.

wrong, it just hit the bottom of the backboard which stopped its trajectory in a funky way. you and Reggie are assuming based on the ball changing direction. the video proves otherwise. 

[hobbes2702 12833]

1 minute ago, Goo Punch said:

Turner will probably delete this video within minutes, so watch it now:

 

I only saw it once but you’re right. Wrong call.

[Goo Punch 4275]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Derka I saw the angle you’re talking about but how else do you explain the clear change of direction the ball took?

the ball hits the padding at the bottom of the backboard which isn't a flat surface, and absorbs more force than the glass or the rim does. 

[Braff Zacklin 13420]

What is the side structure of the rim--the rectangle? Whatever that is called, it looks like that is what the ball hit on its way down from the backboard.

[Machinator 32097]

OK, you convinced me.

[Goo Punch 4275]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, it hit the bottom of the backboard, then grazed the very bottom of the rim, and careened straight down. Still a tough one to overturn though.

check the tape hommie.

[hobbes2702 12833]

That seems like a bad call taking the three away.

[Goo Punch 4275]

the western conference is nuckin' futs.

[aggie08 21434]

1 minute ago, Braff Zacklin said:

What is the side structure of the rim--the rectangle? Whatever that is called, it looks like that is what the ball hit on its way down from the backboard.

As far as I know (I could be wrong), anything orange counts as rim, and it definitely grazed the very bottom of the base.

[Goo Punch 4275]

Just now, aggie08 said:

As far as I know (I could be wrong), anything orange counts as rim, and it definitely grazed the very bottom of the base.

it didn't hit any orange.

[hobbes2702 12833]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

As far as I know (I could be wrong), anything orange counts as rim, and it definitely grazed the very bottom of the base.

Yea I dunno. The video Derka posted does look like it hits the padding at the bottom of the backboard not the rim.

[aggie08 21434]

If you say so. I don't care enough to argue. But I agree that there wasn't enough to definitively overturn.

[hobbes2702 12833]

Just showed it again on the postgame. 100% did not hit rim.

[Dutchrudder 11115]

So does the orange metal block around the back of the rim count as hitting the rim?

[CBT 1281]

Holy shit that SAS-OKC game was awesome. 

[Dutchrudder 11115]

56 points on 20-33 shots and 16/16 FTs made for LMA. Pretty beastly, and very efficient. 

[Aqua Buddha 14514]

1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

56 points on 20-33 shots and 16/16 FTs made for LMA. Pretty beastly, and very efficient. 

Saw the highlights.  I liked how old school it was.  No threes and mostly back to the basket post moves.  Good post players can still dominate a game but there's so few of them that know how to do it and have the skills.

[d2o 1602]

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

Saw the highlights.  I liked how old school it was.  No threes and mostly back to the basket post moves.  Good post players can still dominate a game but there's so few of them that know how to do it and have the skills.

Or teams that are willing to go to them consistently.

[d2o 1602]

That game last night is kinda wild. SA shot 84% from 3, making their first 14 and got 56 pts from LA (without any 3s) and still had to go to overtime and have a weird call go in their favor to beat the Thunder.

[Aqua Buddha 14514]

21 minutes ago, d2o said:

Or teams that are willing to go to them consistently.

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see excellent back to the basket post play.  Maybe because it's rarely used anymore but maybe because it's more of the thinking man's game rather than running down the court and chucking up another contested three like we saw in last year's WCF?  A good post player with 2 or 3 moves is always keeping his man guessing.  Turnaround jumper?  Pump fake up and under?  Hook shot?  Pump fake to draw the foul?

What younger fans don't realize about comparing teams from the two eras is how much better post play was back in the day.  Players like Kevin McHale didn't look athletic but they were excellent technicians of the game.  Having a good post player was key to winning and if the other team didn't, they would go along with some physical defender type.  In these hypothetical match ups, the teams from the earlier ears and their post play would dominate the modern teams.  Look at the 2012 gold medal game.  Spain had the Gasols, Ibaka, and a gaggle of spares and damn near won.  We had great wing players but the Gasols working the high low game in their prime was artistic.

 

[hobbes2702 12833]

22 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see excellent back to the basket post play.  Maybe because it's rarely used anymore but maybe because it's more of the thinking man's game rather than running down the court and chucking up another contested three like we saw in last year's WCF?  A good post player with 2 or 3 moves is always keeping his man guessing.  Turnaround jumper?  Pump fake up and under?  Hook shot?  Pump fake to draw the foul?

What younger fans don't realize about comparing teams from the two eras is how much better post play was back in the day.  Players like Kevin McHale didn't look athletic but they were excellent technicians of the game.  Having a good post player was key to winning and if the other team didn't, they would go along with some physical defender type.  In these hypothetical match ups, the teams from the earlier ears and their post play would dominate the modern teams.  Look at the 2012 gold medal game.  Spain had the Gasols, Ibaka, and a gaggle of spares and damn near won.  We had great wing players but the Gasols working the high low game in their prime was artistic.

 

That’s all true and good but those types of players get played off the floor too often because they can’t defend the perimeter. Teams take advantage of the old school bigs by forcing them to switch onto a smaller guard who can beat them off the dribble. There just aren’t many bigs who can play like LMA and still have the foot speed to not be a liability on defense. Modern bigs have to be able to defend at the perimeter in a way they never have before.

[d2o 1602]

50 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I still get warm and fuzzy when I see excellent back to the basket post play.  Maybe because it's rarely used anymore but maybe because it's more of the thinking man's game rather than running down the court and chucking up another contested three like we saw in last year's WCF?  A good post player with 2 or 3 moves is always keeping his man guessing.  Turnaround jumper?  Pump fake up and under?  Hook shot?  Pump fake to draw the foul?

What younger fans don't realize about comparing teams from the two eras is how much better post play was back in the day.  Players like Kevin McHale didn't look athletic but they were excellent technicians of the game.  Having a good post player was key to winning and if the other team didn't, they would go along with some physical defender type.  In these hypothetical match ups, the teams from the earlier ears and their post play would dominate the modern teams.  Look at the 2012 gold medal game.  Spain had the Gasols, Ibaka, and a gaggle of spares and damn near won.  We had great wing players but the Gasols working the high low game in their prime was artistic.

 

McHale would destroy in today's game but he probably wouldn't be able to stay on the floor cause he couldn't guard anyone on the switches/

[ztejas 43266]

12 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

So does the orange metal block around the back of the rim count as hitting the rim?

Yes

[ztejas 43266]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Maybe because it's rarely used anymore but maybe because it's more of the thinking man's game rather than running down the court and chucking up another contested three like we saw in last year's WCF?

Last year's WCF is a strange example to use considering all of the roasting that Durant did with his back to the basket. 

[Underdog 28455]

51 minutes ago, d2o said:

McHale would destroy in today's game but he probably wouldn't be able to stay on the floor cause he couldn't guard anyone on the switches/

Or too busy counting the bolts on the Garden court. 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

That game last night is kinda wild. SA shot 84% from 3, making their first 14 and got 56 pts from LA (without any 3s) and still had to go to overtime and have a weird call go in their favor to beat the Thunder.

Well, the Thunder got 24-11-24 from Westbrook (yes 24 assists), a career high in assists, 7-10 from 3 from Turd Ferguson, a career high, and 25-12 from Jerami Grant, another career high for points.

So 3 career highs for the Thunder including 30 from PG and 19 from Adams and they couldn't win.  It was just an odd, odd game.

 

[CBT 1281]

I wish Russ would've went after the assists record. Just because. 

[Aqua Buddha 14514]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

McHale would destroy in today's game but he probably wouldn't be able to stay on the floor cause he couldn't guard anyone on the switches/

Oh, but the match up works both ways.  That's why last night's game was so entertaining.  OKC seemed to have Grant on LA most of the night.  Grant is a Sam Presti Special.  Rangy defender, limited offensively, can guard multiple positions on the perimeter.  LA backed him down and abused Grant.  Took 33 shots and 16 FT's.  Sure, the McHale's and Malone's of yesterday would have had problems on the perimeter, but the same stretch 4 has to deal with them on the block.  

[d2o 1602]

57 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Oh, but the match up works both ways.  That's why last night's game was so entertaining.  OKC seemed to have Grant on LA most of the night.  Grant is a Sam Presti Special.  Rangy defender, limited offensively, can guard multiple positions on the perimeter.  LA backed him down and abused Grant.  Took 33 shots and 16 FT's.  Sure, the McHale's and Malone's of yesterday would have had problems on the perimeter, but the same stretch 4 has to deal with them on the block.  

Agreed but after they swap 2 for 3 a few times the coach may not stick with it.   I would love to get back to more post lay.   I fear we are too far gone though

[Firemans4Horn 17830]

Luka Doncic. Damn. 

 

And what the fuck were the Hawks thinking in the draft?

[CurlyDumps 4439]

Blake checks “leave a billionaire hanging” off his bucket list.

 

 

[kopp0e 1135]

Blake's reason for not acknowledging Balmer:

 

[immortal13 4059]

Fuck Blake Griffin

[Goo Punch 4275]

Just saw the end of last night's C's game. What a bitch move by Kyrie. Gordon Hayward throws the inbounds to Jayson Tatum and when his shot at the buzzer misses Kyrie makes a huge deal of not getting the ball. Save that shit for tte locker room. No wonder people think you suck st leading. 

Edited January 13, 2019 by Goo Punch

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

he was at half court and was being fronted. any inbound to him would require him to retrieve to the other end of the court, there was about 2.8 seconds left. Kyrie isn't smart at all.I know that isn't exactly a hot take

Edited January 13, 2019 by MNLonghornFUKM

[goatsaag 279]

The play for Kyrie would have been a pass to Horford who then passed or handed off to Kyrie depending on how the defense played it. Seems like a play where a lot can go wrong with less than 3 seconds left though.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

7 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

Just saw the end of last night's C's game. What a bitch move by Kyrie. Gordon Hayward throws the inbounds to Jayson Tatum and when his shot at the buzzer misses Kyrie makes a huge deal of not getting the ball. Save that shit for tte locker room. No wonder people think you suck st leading. 

Agree.  I understand the frustration but run into the locker room and have a private conversation before the press is allowed in.  Hayward probably made a poor decision considering how Horford came open at the elbow, but don't show up your teammate there.

[Goo Punch 4275]

Bradley Beal today- 43 points, 15 ast, 10 reb, 3 stl, 2 blk 

ho hum. not bad for a damn shooting guard. 

[aggie08 21434]

Lakers are 3-7 in their last 10 w/o LeBron.  Somebody's getting traded soon.  But they have to keep their best assets (Ball and Ingram among them, I guess?) to pitch New Orleans in the offseason.

They're currently the 8 seed, but I think Utah, currently #9, is a playoff team.  They have the point differential of a 4 seed, and Donovan Mitchell looks to be heating up finally.  I also think that New Orleans will improve for no other reason than they have to.  So that means one or two current playoff teams would have to slide out.  

[d2o 1602]

33 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Lakers are 3-7 in their last 10 w/o LeBron.  Somebody's getting traded soon.  But they have to keep their best assets (Ball and Ingram among them, I guess?) to pitch New Orleans in the offseason.

They're currently the 8 seed, but I think Utah, currently #9, is a playoff team.  They have the point differential of a 4 seed, and Donovan Mitchell looks to be heating up finally.  I also think that New Orleans will improve for no other reason than they have to.  So that means one or two current playoff teams would have to slide out.  

Only one I can see falling out is the Clips.    I don't think the Pels get in.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

Another game, another record for Harden.

He's been playing out of his mind, but this is a record which should never be approached.  He was 10 of 15 from inside the arc, but continued to jack up 3's?  Gotta have better game awareness.  I get it that his game is predicated on the 3 and shooters shoot, but there needs to be a point where he realizes he just doesn't have the touch.  Guess not.  Still scored 30+ but lost the game to a punchless Magic team.  Should bounce back tonight on a b2b.

28 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Lakers are 3-7 in their last 10 w/o LeBron.  Somebody's getting traded soon.  But they have to keep their best assets (Ball and Ingram among them, I guess?) to pitch New Orleans in the offseason.

They're currently the 8 seed, but I think Utah, currently #9, is a playoff team.  They have the point differential of a 4 seed, and Donovan Mitchell looks to be heating up finally.  I also think that New Orleans will improve for no other reason than they have to.  So that means one or two current playoff teams would have to slide out.  

Such a dangerous game of chicken for the Lakers.  Utah has seemingly shaken off their rough start and solidly in the playoff picture now.  Think I read the Lakers have the 2nd toughest schedule the ROS with a banged up Lebron.  I think they'll get in the playoffs and they'll probably trade KCP by the deadline but if they don't make anymore moves, hard to see the Lakers doing much.  Maybe pushing a series deep or winning one, but I can't trust them to play enough defense to make a legit run.  Then.... the fun part starts.  The summer.  

[d2o 1602]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Another game, another record for Harden.

He's been playing out of his mind, but this is a record which should never be approached.  He was 10 of 15 from inside the arc, but continued to jack up 3's?  Gotta have better game awareness.  I get it that his game is predicated on the 3 and shooters shoot, but there needs to be a point where he realizes he just doesn't have the touch.  Guess not.  Still scored 30+ but lost the game to a punchless Magic team.  Should bounce back tonight on a b2b.

Such a dangerous game of chicken for the Lakers.  Utah has seemingly shaken off their rough start and solidly in the playoff picture now.  Think I read the Lakers have the 2nd toughest schedule the ROS with a banged up Lebron.  I think they'll get in the playoffs and they'll probably trade KCP by the deadline but if they don't make anymore moves, hard to see the Lakers doing much.  Maybe pushing a series deep or winning one, but I can't trust them to play enough defense to make a legit run.  Then.... the fun part starts.  The summer.  

I see so many talk about how hard it is to play with Russ.   Isn' t Harden the same thing just with a better shot?     The Rockets have MANY possessions every game where Harden dribbles up top for 5-10 secs then steps back and shoots his three.    I'm not sure about you but that doesn't seem fun to play with.

[ztejas 43266]

The Lakers are treading very dangerous water right now. I'm not sure how much longer they can survive with LeBron out. 

Tomorrow against the Bulls is a must win game and that is without LeBron. Their next three are @OKC, @HOU, GSW, which could easily be 0-3. 1-2 would be a good result over those three. 

I'm not sure what LeBron's plan is going to be for the rest of this season. Is he going to rush back and risk his health so this team can get shellacked in the first round? As for trades - I'm not really seeing anything that would pull a 180 for this team. I doubt New Orleans is moving AD. I guess they could go after Kemba or Vucevic but how much better does that make this team considering they would likely have to ship two of their young rotation players?

Edited January 14, 2019 by ztejas