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randygilman

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Keaontay Ingram touches by game:

Maryland: 7

Tulsa: 13 (injured in this game)

USC: DNP

TCU 9

KSU: 15

OU: 13

Baylor: 20

Is he the best back? Yes. Is he a freshman they want 2-3 more years from? Yes. So they have to handle both. Obviously, once his touches shot up from game one to two, he got dinged up. They rested him, and have since progressed his touches game by game. In his stead are a reliable but not extraordinary stopover grad transfer and a reliable but not extraordinary sophomore. Behind them are two known qualities in Toneil Carter (fumbler) and Kyle Porter (Kyle Porter), and an unknown injury prone back in Kirk Johnson. I think they've handled Ingram well this year, and I think they are progressing him at the right rate. 

Definitely a hard row to hoe though so I understand why the perspective on RB usage this year is split. 

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1 minute ago, randygilman said:

Keaontay Ingram touches by game:

Maryland: 7

Tulsa: 13 (injured in this game)

USC: DNP

TCU 9

KSU: 15

OU: 13

Baylor: 20

Is he the best back? Yes. Is he a freshman they want 2-3 more years from? Yes. So they have to handle both. Obviously, once his touches shot up from game one to two, he got dinged up. They rested him, and have since progressed his touches game by game. In his stead are a reliable but not extraordinary stopover grad transfer and a reliable but not extraordinary sophomore. Behind them are two known qualities in Toneil Carter (fumbler) and Kyle Porter (Kyle Porter), and an unknown injury prone back in Kirk Johnson. I think they've handled Ingram well this year, and I think they are progressing him at the right rate. 

Definitely a hard row to hoe though so I understand why the perspective on RB usage this year is split. 

No doubt they are easing Ingram in due to injuries and lack of strength & conditioning with Yancy since he came in to the Program in June.

Still hope Drayton can add a RB to 2019 Roster with more Homerun Ability so HORNS can break more long TD runs...

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Daniel Young played well against Mizzu..... Now in 2018 he looks worse so far.  Why hasn't Young or Toneil developed more.... that's the RB Coach's Job....

Drayton has yet to show any ability to develop TEXAS RBs since the best two RBs are a Grad Transfer and a True Freshman.

Young can't make people miss in the backfield, skillset our running backs have to have.

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First of all, not a Drayton hater, but...

I was one of the lone voices last year when everyone was jumping on Beck and other coaches for lack of running game, all the while Drayton held the title of RUN GAME COORDINATOR, not to mention Associate head coach to go along with RB position coach duties.

In other words, with that collection of titles he's second in command to Herman..and Herman alone, so any lack of production in that room falls squarely at his feet. The rotation last year (with heavy doses of Porter) was bizarre to say the least, but I am glad he's mostly sticking to his two best RB's this year.

I'm gonna have to give him a partial pass for using Watson more early on, (5th year senior transfer with starting experience versus true Freshman) as well as the past few games because Ingram has been dinged up. The lack of development for Young and Carter is inexcusable though.
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Drayton will be judged on whether he lands Zach Evans next cycle.  That should be the only goal he should have right now.  Land him, and he will all of the sudden become the best hire on surly.  If he misses on Evans, and also doesn’t land one of Cain/Sanders.... then he won’t have done much in his 2-3 years here.   If he also misses on some of the other good backs in 2020, then he should be shown the door.   Let’s see how this plays out and make our judgment after next signing day.  

As far as RBs in campus, I think he’s done okay so far.  Watson and Ingram have gotten the bulk of the carries.  Ingram has been hurt but is starting to get a larger workload.  Can’t complain.  If Kyle Porter was still getting 5-8 touches a game, then there definitely would be some issues.

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1 hour ago, Machinator said:

closetojumping would know better than I, but it looks like if we strike out on Cain and Sanders we'll either take someone like Deondrick Glass or save the scholarship and find another grad transfer rental next season until we bring in another elite prospect in 2020.

Ctj just posted RB update in 2019 Recruiting thread.... His comments below

TB - I like the Georgia TB more than others, including friends who are closer to recruiting than me and get paid to do it in some form. He looks like a guy that can move the chains, make one cut and get up field, and take a beating. He's not going to be Keontay Ingram, but he's going to be fine if he's spelling Ingram. I hope they land one of the big names, but that doesn't look incredibly promising. I've heard they're less likely to offer a back-up like Glass than they were before the season, and that is good news, IMO. 2020 is a big year for multiple backs. Texas loses Carter, Watson, Porter and Houston, so I expect them to pursue another GT.

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On 10/17/2018 at 9:06 AM, Thujone said:

I think this is a dumb topic. 

The two most reliable RBs are Watson (who is healthy) and Ingram (who is not healthy). There's your snap discrepancy. It's pretty obvious to anyone watching.

It's also pretty obvious that both are better than Danny (who I like, but who is better against a 3rd-4th quarter defense).

Carter can't hold the ball.

Pay me 9.95

 

This.  My lord people want something to bitch about.  Who knows if Drayton was responsible for us getting Watson who has been nothing short of a pleasant surprise for me.

Watson has shown the ability to get those 3.2 yards through tiny cracks and his hands are awesome.  Keontay has not appeared to be 100% all season.  

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Man I have seen Drayton attributed with all kinds of powers on here. Some of y'all think he decides how many RBs Herman should carry on the roster and others think he tells Herman who to have in the game.

Position coaches do not control their position groups like little fiefdoms, neither in terms of roster management nor in-game play.

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Man I have seen Drayton attributed with all kinds of powers on here. Some of y'all think he decides how many RBs Herman should carry on the roster and others think he tells Herman who to have in the game.
Position coaches do not control their position groups like little fiefdoms, neither in terms of roster management nor in-game play.

Hasn’t Herman said the position coach dictated who was in the game? Or was that some of Strongs dumb shit?
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No doubt Choice is going to be a fairly hot commodity, and likewise that Drayton would br a perfect replacement. I'm not so sure that the Texas run game has been outstanding enough for Choice to get a decent shot, but it could sure enough happen.

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No doubt Choice is going to be a fairly hot commodity, and likewise that Drayton would br a perfect replacement. I'm not so sure that the Texas run game has been outstanding enough for Choice to get a decent shot, but it could sure enough happen.

I hope Coach Choice stays at Texas for quite awhile... it's been posted in the past that he really enjoys being in the State of Texas with all of his ties to DFW area.  

 

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11 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

I hope Coach Choice stays at Texas for quite awhile... it's been posted in the past that he really enjoys being in the State of Texas with all of his ties to DFW area.  

 

Likewise. But I think Drayton would be the mang if Choice gets chosen elsewhere.

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Marcus Hayes: Temple’s firing of Stan Drayton should open the door to dropping the football program

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It says something about your football program when you fire the head coach after a win. It says the program probably needs to go away. Temple beat Florida Atlantic on Saturday by a field goal in overtime, an unsurprisingly ugly affair between a pair of two-win teams on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. About 18 hours later, the school’s athletic director, Arthur Johnson, a former associate AD at Texas, announced that his handpicked coach, Stan Drayton, Texas’ former associate head football coach, was fired.

This is the only way Drayton’s tenure would ever end. Asking an outsider with paltry ties to the Northeast to recruit to a crippled program with no local support whose closest conference foe, East Carolina, is more than 400 miles and four states away — it was foolish to think it would work.

Defensive coordinator Everett Withers will run the team in its final two games of the season, against UTSA and North Texas, both 5-5, with UTSA surging and North Texas foundering. Notably, both are beatable by Temple, and it’s easier to fire a 3-7 coach than a 5-7 coach. That, of course, is splitting hairs when the coach in question has nine wins in three seasons.

Which again brings into focus the existential questions regarding football at Temple: Why does it even exist? Should it continue to exist? The failure of this latest attempt at the program’s salvation should provide the obvious answer: No.

The continued death throes of the program must be having an influence on Temple president John Fry, who was president at Drexel until this past July. In a 2016 op-ed in The Wall Street Journal, Fry celebrated that institution dropping football five decades earlier rather than engaging in “spending binges that sap resources.” Fry now has a chance to lead a football purge, because, like most football programs, Temple football loses money. Will he take it?

This feels a little like punching down, and it feels a little mean-spirited, because so many good people have, for so long, tried to make this a good program. Lots of people behind the scenes have committed decades to the cause. But Temple hasn’t sniffed a bowl game since before COVID. Most of the program’s best players either wind up at Temple by accident or they wind up getting good at Temple by accident. Temple has had two NFL first-round picks in the last 37 years. Try selling that to Johnny High School All-American.

The program has seldom been able to perpetuate competence, much less success. Which makes it all the more incredible that, as part of his farewell statement regarding Drayton, Johnson said: “With the changing landscape of college football and the playoff format, the opportunity for Temple football has never been greater.” That, simply, is untrue.

This statement is true for programs with robust alumni support, deep pockets of NIL money, first-class facilities, hardy and invested student bodies, and strong recruiting bases. Temple has none of those; in fact, its student body has shrunk by almost 10,000 students since 2019 (though it got an enrollment boost this fall). Even when it was fit to bursting, with around 40,000 students, it never had any of the perks of more competitive programs.

That’s why, before Rod Carey replaced Geoff Collins in 2019, Collins and his three predecessors at Temple all left for far greener pastures. None of them had to deal with NIL pressures or the transfer portal that are chasing coaching legends from all sports into retirement. To ask any coach of any sport in Philadelphia — a pro town with a cute little Main Line college basketball team — to thrive is just unrealistic.

Asking a football program on life support to compete for recruits against schools whose football programs run those schools is absurd. Al Golden, Steve Addazio, Matt Rhule, and Collins wouldn’t have done what they did at Temple if they coached in today’s college football environment. Hell, Nick Saban and Bill Belichick couldn’t have succeeded at Temple today. To expect success from a guy like Stan Drayton, or, frankly, from anyone else, is just too much to ask.

 

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