Running Alt-Right Thread of Mockery and Hypocrisy

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Alex Jones is man that needs a beat down.

The lawsuits, deplatforming, and divorce are probably going to bankrupt him.  If this latest is true, then that will complete the cycle, but I could also see somebody hacking his stuff and sending that stuff - he's certainly got enough enemies.

It took him years to become wealthy, you'd think he'd have been at least a little paranoid about fucking up and losing it.

[Bozo_Casanova 26690]

Who would have thought that calling your black classmates the N word, telling other students you want them to fuck your ass, saying you want to kill all the jews, and making comments about turning your school into a csgo map so you can "practice" would cause a university to second guess their decision to let you attend? 

And of course, Travis County GOP Chair Matt Mackowiak is all over Twitter whining about it.

[Brisketexan 105693]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And of course, Travis County GOP Chair Matt Mackowiak is all over Twitter whining about it.

Poor Matt is in full-court-press trying to save a toxic brand.

[Bozo_Casanova 26690]

On one hand, Kashuv DOES have a point.  I am concerned about our trend to not allow for any forgiveness, growth, etc., particularly with respect to things said and done when young.  There was no internet or social media when I was that age, but I assure you, I said and did stuff - being an asinine 14-16 yr old boy - that wouldn't play well.  But, that said.....none of it was super-shitty super-racist shit like Kashuv spewed.
So, maybe the takeaway should be yes, we need to allow for forgiveness and growth....but some things said and done demonstrate such a deep defect in one's character that we can't credibly believe you've "grown past that."  Demonstrate that you're a mouthy kid?  Sure, you can grow past that -- most folks do.  Demonstrate that you're a repeatedly, consistent racist shitbag?  Yeah, not so much.

Nobody is beyond redemption. That being said, an apology doesn’t guarantee admission to the most prestigious, most meal-ticket punching school on earth.

[Js1 85916]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

On one hand, Kashuv DOES have a point.  I am concerned about our trend to not allow for any forgiveness, growth, etc., particularly with respect to things said and done when young.  There was no internet or social media when I was that age, but I assure you, I said and did stuff - being an asinine 14-16 yr old boy - that wouldn't play well.  But, that said.....none of it was super-shitty super-racist shit like Kashuv spewed.
So, maybe the takeaway should be yes, we need to allow for forgiveness and growth....but some things said and done demonstrate such a deep defect in one's character that we can't credibly believe you've "grown past that."  Demonstrate that you're a mouthy kid?  Sure, you can grow past that -- most folks do.  Demonstrate that you're a repeatedly, consistent racist shitbag?  Yeah, not so much.

Nobody is beyond redemption. That being said, an apology doesn’t guarantee admission to the most prestigious, most meal-ticket punching school on earth.

Harvard was very appreciative of the regret and candor but also actions have consequences. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26690]

Poor Matt is in full-court-press trying to save a toxic brand.

What brand would that be? Integrity Zero? Most of my friends are Republicans. Most of them still plan to vote to re-elect the President. None of them have sacrificed their personal integrity for it or pretended that black was white or taken and espoused an entirely new belief system.

I get it, to a certain extent. Maybe that’s the life of a flack. But it can’t feel good.

[Guest Lobo]

Wait, who/what is Matt defending on Twitter?   I’m not on it but help me refine my google search.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33971]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah kids say and do shitty stuff when they’re 16.

But he was probably 17 when he applied to Harvard and is 18 now soooo it’s not like his shitty behavior was all that long ago.

And this wasn’t some “accidental slip” that he said one time - he did it multiple times and within a sexual and violent context.

That’s deep seated nastiness.

Getting in to Harvard isn’t a right.

Getting bad grades at 16 is dumb kid stuff too but we don’t expect Harvard to give those kids a chance.

But glad to see conservatives are all about giving kids a second chance and forgiveness - now do pregnant 16 year olds.

or really anyone not white and male.

[Biff Tannen 45786]

18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What brand would that be? Integrity Zero? Most of my friends are Republicans. Most of them still plan to vote to re-elect the President. None of them have sacrificed their personal integrity for it or pretended that black was white or taken and espoused an entirely new belief system.

I get it, to a certain extent. Maybe that’s the life of a flack. But it can’t feel good.

Sounds like you need new friends.

[bad_teammate 13340]

lol @ Kashuv

He'll be fine. He isn't entitled to Harvard.

This one, uh...

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

~okay~

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Obviously a crisis actor. 

[Irieguy 1059]

So in my quick read of the Alex Jones situation, it appears to me that he and his lawyers did ZERO review and just forwarded ALL emails to the plaintiff’s lawyers. Some of those emails had child porn that was originally sent to Infowars. Just a massive self own and extreme laziness. Then Alex Jones attacks opposing law firm for unknown reasons. @Hugo Stiglitz  Is this about right? Any other hilarity I’m missing?

[bad_teammate 13340]

Yeah that's what happened. He and his reps are morons.

[HRSchenker 2293]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

~okay~

 

 

Jesus christ. How did this kid get accepted into Harvard in the first place? I like this guy's take

 

[suddenly shaggy 929]

On 6/14/2019 at 6:14 PM, HenryJames said:

 

[Chooky 13322]

Should we siphon out the relative emails requested in this subpoena or just hilariously opt for the minimum and continue to bill this human testicle of a client while assuming that chunks of unopened messages from people compelled to communicate with InfoWars won't reveal something astonishingly embarrassing?    

[Asithappens 974]

15 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

On one hand, Kashuv DOES have a point.  I am concerned about our trend to not allow for any forgiveness, growth, etc., particularly with respect to things said and done when young.  There was no internet or social media when I was that age, but I assure you, I said and did stuff - being an asinine 14-16 yr old boy - that wouldn't play well.  But, that said.....none of it was super-shitty super-racist shit like Kashuv spewed.
So, maybe the takeaway should be yes, we need to allow for forgiveness and growth....but some things said and done demonstrate such a deep defect in one's character that we can't credibly believe you've "grown past that."  Demonstrate that you're a mouthy kid?  Sure, you can grow past that -- most folks do.  Demonstrate that you're a repeatedly, consistent racist shitbag?  Yeah, not so much.

Nobody is beyond redemption. That being said, an apology doesn’t guarantee admission to the most prestigious, most meal-ticket punching school on earth.

Kashuv was pretty much a stone-cold racist just a few years ago. So what's changed? Probably nothing.

He can grow and be forgiven at Liberty University. Or Oral Roberts U. 

 

[bad_teammate 13340]

It's amazing how kindly Kashuv is being treated by basically everyone. People are trying to play it off like he was just typing the n-word, but... no, that's not all!

- He said he was going to make a map of the high school in CS:GO for "practice"
- He typed "kill all fucking Jews"

In addition to all the n-word stuff and being a repugnant little misogynist shit

And that's just what we know.

And no, he doesn't have a point. Not even a little bit. Redemption and forgiveness are not Harvard's to give in this case, it is nothing but a privileged little shit crying because his privilege wasn't eternally maintained.

Edited June 18, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

The real outrage should be how Harvard accepted him in the first place. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's amazing how kindly Kashuv is being treated by basically everyone. People are trying to play it off like he was just typing the n-word, but... no, that's not all!

- He said he was going to make a map of the high school in CS:GO for "practice"
- He typed "kill all fucking Jews"

In addition to all the n-word stuff and being a repugnant little misogynist shit

And that's just what we know.

And no, he doesn't have a point. Not even a little bit. Redemption and forgiveness are not Harvard's to give in this case, it is nothing but a privileged little shit crying because his privilege wasn't eternally maintained.

Big brained leftist corrects the record by repeating what everyone else has said, while claiming he is disagreeing. 

[Js1 85916]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's amazing how kindly Kashuv is being treated by basically everyone. People are trying to play it off like he was just typing the n-word, but... no, that's not all!

- He said he was going to make a map of the high school in CS:GO for "practice"
- He typed "kill all fucking Jews"

In addition to all the n-word stuff and being a repugnant little misogynist shit

And that's just what we know.

And no, he doesn't have a point. Not even a little bit. Redemption and forgiveness are not Harvard's to give in this case, it is nothing but a privileged little shit crying because his privilege wasn't eternally maintained. 

BuT hE wAs JuSt A kID (which is apparently not a defense for brown kids being brought here without a choice when they were toddlers). 

Full blown white privilege.  This kid has affluenza. 

[bad_teammate 13340]

1 minute ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Big brained leftist corrects the record by repeating what everyone else has said, while claiming he is disagreeing. 

well I disagree with the assertion that he "has a point" (he doesn't)

And I'm pointing out that the world is actually being very nice to him about this, because when this is in the media it's played like he just said a few bad words. Primarily because national media can't/won't discuss anything deeper than a few slurs.

I have no idea what you're so mad about.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

I’m just so so mad. 

[bad_teammate 13340]

I apologize in advance to suing if this is hurtful or offensive of me to post...

 

[wildcat09 29453]

18 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

On one hand, Kashuv DOES have a point.  I am concerned about our trend to not allow for any forgiveness, growth, etc., particularly with respect to things said and done when young.  There was no internet or social media when I was that age, but I assure you, I said and did stuff - being an asinine 14-16 yr old boy - that wouldn't play well.  But, that said.....none of it was super-shitty super-racist shit like Kashuv spewed.

So, maybe the takeaway should be yes, we need to allow for forgiveness and growth....but some things said and done demonstrate such a deep defect in one's character that we can't credibly believe you've "grown past that."  Demonstrate that you're a mouthy kid?  Sure, you can grow past that -- most folks do.  Demonstrate that you're a repeatedly, consistent racist shitbag?  Yeah, not so much.

It should also be pointed out that Kashuv didn't really apologize.

[Brisketexan 105693]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's amazing how kindly Kashuv is being treated by basically everyone. People are trying to play it off like he was just typing the n-word, but... no, that's not all!

- He said he was going to make a map of the high school in CS:GO for "practice"
- He typed "kill all fucking Jews"

In addition to all the n-word stuff and being a repugnant little misogynist shit

And that's just what we know.

And no, he doesn't have a point. Not even a little bit. Redemption and forgiveness are not Harvard's to give in this case, it is nothing but a privileged little shit crying because his privilege wasn't eternally maintained.

Agreed.

This isn't a case where a smartass kid being edgy dropped an N-bomb or two.  What he wrote is profoundly disturbing in its entire theme, and what it says about how he processes and looks at the entire world around him.  Yeah, people change....but when the issue is that you are a sociopath, a written apology ain't evidence of shit.  A decade or better of living your life right shows the truth.

What do y'all wanna bet that within the next two years, private messages etc. from him leak that reveal that he still thinks of others in such offensive and sociopathic ways?

[Brisketexan 105693]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

well I disagree with the assertion that he "has a point" (he doesn't)

 

Well, let me modify what I said, because that's fair -- the point he's making is one that does need to be stated.  It's not a good one for HIM, but we do need to think about how we approach forgiveness and redemption.  In the social media age, we're really good at being all torch and pitchfork-y, not so good at being thoughtful and allowing for the fact that everyone has something shameful in their past.

But also understand that the label of "shameful" covers a LOT of ground....and some shameful stuff is more redeemable than others.

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It should also be pointed out that Kashuv didn't really apologize.

And this.  He has given us no indication of how he thinks of the place that minorities and women have in the world today.  "I'm sorry I said the N-word when I was a kid" sure as hell doesn't equal "I'm sorry I ever talked about or thought of black people in that way."

[Js1 85916]

Sorry I said something offensive.

[wildcat09 29453]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, let me modify what I said, because that's fair -- the point he's making is one that does need to be stated.  It's not a good one for HIM, but we do need to think about how we approach forgiveness and redemption.  In the social media age, we're really good at being all torch and pitchfork-y, not so good at being thoughtful and allowing for the fact that everyone has something shameful in their past.

But also understand that the label of "shameful" covers a LOT of ground....and some shameful stuff is more redeemable than others.

And this.  He has given us no indication of how he thinks of the place that minorities and women have in the world today.  "I'm sorry I said the N-word when I was a kid" sure as hell doesn't equal "I'm sorry I ever talked about or thought of black people in that way."

I could be wrong but I don't think he ever even used the words "I'm sorry" or "I apologize."

[HenryJames 66367]

 

[Jiggy-Z 3470]

17 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

On one hand, Kashuv DOES have a point.  I am concerned about our trend to not allow for any forgiveness, growth, etc., particularly with respect to things said and done when young.  There was no internet or social media when I was that age, but I assure you, I said and did stuff - being an asinine 14-16 yr old boy - that wouldn't play well.  But, that said.....none of it was super-shitty super-racist shit like Kashuv spewed.
So, maybe the takeaway should be yes, we need to allow for forgiveness and growth....but some things said and done demonstrate such a deep defect in one's character that we can't credibly believe you've "grown past that."  Demonstrate that you're a mouthy kid?  Sure, you can grow past that -- most folks do.  Demonstrate that you're a repeatedly, consistent racist shitbag?  Yeah, not so much.

Nobody is beyond redemption. That being said, an apology doesn’t guarantee admission to the most prestigious, most meal-ticket punching school on earth.

Reminds me of the Kavanaugh hearing logic:  Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but worthy of a lifetime appointment, no.

[bolverk 29846]

Teenage neo-Nazis jailed over terror offences

Two teenage neo-Nazis, who encouraged an attack on Prince Harry for marrying a woman of mixed race, have been jailed for terrorism offences.

Michal Szewczuk, 19, from Leeds, and Oskar Dunn-Koczorowski, 18, from west London, were part of a group called the Sonnenkrieg Division.

An Old Bailey judge said their online propaganda was abhorrent and criminal.

Dunn-Koczorowski was given an 18-month detention and training order. Szewczuk was jailed for just over four years.

The defendants, who appeared by video link from HMP Belmarsh, in south-east London, did not react.

The court heard the teenagers used pseudonyms to run personal accounts on the Gab social media site, as well as sharing control of the Sonnenkrieg Division's own page, on which they posted self-designed propaganda that encouraged terrorist attacks.

Among other things, the imagery suggested the Duke of Sussex was a "race traitor" who should be shot, glorified the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, and said white women who date non-white men should be hanged.

The material was "uniformly violent and threatening" and "the nature of the violence includes rape and execution", Judge Rebecca Poulet QC said.

Suggested targets included non-white and Jewish people, and the effect was to overtly encourage lone acts of violence against members of the public, the judge added.

She said the men had promoted both Sonnenkrieg and the American Atomwaffen Division, which were extreme right-wing groups inspired by a book called Siege written by the veteran American neo-Nazi James Mason in the 1980s.

Spoiler

 

Their ideology is violently racist and anti-Semitic neo-Nazism and its tactics involve political violence through acting alone or small-cell terrorism, she added.

She condemned an "additional feature" of the ideology by referencing a blog run by Szewczuk that encouraged the rape of female adults and babies.

Sonnenkrieg's activities were exposed last year by a BBC investigation.

Prosecutor Naomi Parsons, opening the case earlier in the hearing, told the court: "This isn't a keyboard organisation. It is intent on action."

She read from the group's mission statement, which declared: "Will you rise up and take the chance or will you sit back and do nothing… Hail victory, and Heil Hitler!"

In April, Szewczuk admitted two counts of encouraging terrorism and five of possessing documents useful to a terrorist.

Dunn-Koczorowski pleaded guilty while still a youth in December to two counts of encouraging terrorism.

The court heard Sonnenkrieg was influenced by the US-based group Atomwaffen Division, which is linked to five murders, and Mason, whose writings "may well represent the most violent, revolutionary and potentially terroristic expression of right-wing extremism current today".

'Machine of terror'
Sonnenkrieg promoted the idea that people should completely "drop out" of society and engage in a "total attack" on the system, Ms Parsons told the court.

She said Szewczuk also maintained an "extremely violent and aggressively misogynistic" blog that encouraged the rape, torture and murder of women and babies.

"You must become a machine of terror," Szewczuk had advised his readers.

In online comments, Dunn-Koczorowski suggested that decapitating babies would be acceptable to stop them becoming "leftist politicians" and proclaimed "terror is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death".

The pair were arrested the morning after the BBC investigation was broadcast in December.

Detectives found Szewczuk - then a computer science student at the University of Portsmouth - in possession of bomb-making instructions, documents describing how to conduct Islamist terror attacks and a "white resistance" manual.

A man from Bath arrested on the same day has been released under investigation and a file of evidence sent to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging decision.

It is understood that Dunn-Koczorowski joined the now banned terrorist group National Action as a schoolboy and later played a role in two successor organisations before taking up with Sonnenkrieg.

The court heard he had breached his bail conditions in May by using social media to post about his extremist ideology.

The judge said he was in no sense showing "remorse", which was "very concerning".

"You still hold deeply entrenched views in support of this extreme right wing ideology," she told the teenager.

Det Chief Supt Martin Snowden, head of counter terrorism policing in the north-east of England, said Dunn-Koczorowski and Szewczuk clearly saw themselves as superior to the majority of society and they felt it was their duty to express their beliefs, in turn teaching others.

He told the BBC it "only takes one individual to be encouraged or be inspired by that propaganda to take that further step" and this "represents a significant risk".

 

 

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

I apologize in advance to suing if this is hurtful or offensive of me to post...

 

Is there a handy reference for the actual tweets or texts that he sent.  I've seen references, but this is the first one that I've actually seen screenshotted.

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is not new from Harvard - he should have done his research.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

That's what I laugh about in this whole ordeal. If you made shitty grades when you were 16, then straight A's when you were 17, Harvard is still gonna judge 16 year old you. If you make a shitty SAT score as a 16 year old, Harvard is going to judge you. If you didn't participate in extracurricular activities when you were 16, Harvard is going to judge you. If you get an MIP, play hookie, get too much detention. Harvard is going to judge you. BUT HOW DARE they judge me on my abohorent writings from 18 months ago. 

But by all means you little racist piece of shit, keep trying to use your school getting shot up as a get out of racist jail free card. Have fun interning for Stephen Miller in a couple of years. 

[Brisketexan 105693]

5 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

 

But by all means you little racist piece of shit, keep trying to use your school getting shot up as a get out of racist jail free card. Have fun interning for Stephen Miller in a couple of years. 

I think you mean "being chief-of-staff for PRESIDENT Stephen Miller," right?

[bad_teammate 13340]

45 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Is there a handy reference for the actual tweets or texts that he sent.  I've seen references, but this is the first one that I've actually seen screenshotted.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I think you mean "being chief-of-staff for PRESIDENT Stephen Miller," right?

Oh Christ, this makes too much sense to not be true.

oh god

[Brisketexan 105693]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Oh Christ, this makes too much sense to not be true.

oh god

NOW y'all are getting it....

Remember, not only CAN it get worse....it WILL get worse.

[Hank Kingsley 21161]

Kashuv grew up with smartphones/internet/email/social media most of his life. Whether it's "fair" or not, kids in today's world need to be more cognizant of what they say/do. 

People shouldn't project their own childhoods in the 70s/80s/90s in order to show him any sympathy. It's a completely different world now. 

 

 

[Foosters 17955]

Shit, when I was a teenager, kids were getting dinged on college applications for being arrested for shit like public intoxication and possession of marijuana. That was just par for the course. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33971]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Shit, when I was a teenager, kids were getting dinged on college applications for being arrested for shit like public intoxication and possession of marijuana. That was just par for the course. 

that shit goes on your permanent record!

[Zonahorn 8079]

4 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I’m just so so mad. 

No, but you are painfully stupid.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33971]

1 minute ago, Calihorn said:

No, but you are painfully stupid.

so it does hurt? I always wondered

[Js1 85916]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Kashuv grew up with smartphones/internet/email/social media most of his life. Whether it's "fair" or not, kids in today's world need to be more cognizant of what they say/do. 

People shouldn't project their own childhoods in the 70s/80s/90s in order to show him any sympathy. It's a completely different world now. 

 

 

Yes. And kids know today the shit they do on social media will come out.

Boomers are too stupid to realize things like getting doxxed, photos and emails leaked, etc. happen when you're an asshole on the internet.  But anyone ~40 or under should know their internet and social media activities have consequences and act accordingly. 

Edited June 18, 2019 by Js1

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

so it does hurt? I always wondered

Cute

[Longhorn_Fan68 33971]

2 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Cute

[Js1 85916]

 

[Brisketexan 105693]

7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Trumpkins: "how dare you judge an 18 yr old for what he did when he was 16!"

Trump: "I hold kids responsible for what they DIDN'T EVEN DO when they were 14 -- I say execute em."  [Trump on the Central Park 5, today]

Before you freak out, it's okay -- this makes sense when you write it out with just one detail added:

Trumpkins: "how dare you judge a [white] 18 yr old for what he did when he was 16!"

Trump: "I hold [brown/black] kids responsible for what they DIDN'T EVEN DO when they were 14 -- I say execute em."  [Trump on the Central Park 5, today]

 

See, told you it would make sense.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Lol, it’s funny because it’s crazy