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On 7/17/2018 at 9:20 PM, Gil Bang said:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-proud-boys-bar-20180717-story.html

First, the official story that seemingly everyone agrees on.

About 10:35 p.m. Saturday, Los Angeles police received a call about a large group fighting at the Griffin, a bar in Atwater Village. Upon arrival, officers told both groups to leave. No arrests were made. No report was taken.

The two parties involved in the fight — community organizers who volunteer with L.A. anti-gentrification organizations and the Democratic Socialists of America’s Los Angeles chapter, versus the Proud Boys, a far-right organization that will take issue with that description and, instead, describes itself as a pro-Western fraternal organization — agree on little more than the information above.

For starters, they don’t agree on how, when or why the fight started.

For 31-year-old L.A. organizer and comedian Josh Androsky, the fight started when the Proud Boys decided to come to his neighborhood.

Androsky started working to organize a group to go to the bar after getting a text message that the Proud Boys were going to the Griffin.

“The 1st Amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble,” Androsky said. “There’s no such thing as a peaceable assembly of Nazis. Just by virtue of their ideology, they are causing harm.”

The Proud Boys, established in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, has been classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. The Proud Boys have rejected that classification, arguing that they’re a men’s organization “for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.”

They say they’re against political correctness and racial guilt, among other things.

The group has regional chapters, including in the Bay Area and Orange County. Members follow a dress code that includes polo shirts and engage in violent brawls with anti-fascists as part of their initiation, the SPLC has said. In April 2017, members of the Proud Boys and others in a spectrum of far-right groups clashed with anti-fascist protesters before a “Patriot’s Day” rally in Berkeley. The melee left many bloodied, and 21 were arrested.

When Androsky arrived at the bar with friends, they saw about 20 Proud Boys wearing their usual wardrobe: yellow and black Fred Perry polo shirts, along with red “Make America Great Again” hats.

Their first goal was to talk with the bar’s staff and ask them to escort the Proud Boys out. That didn’t happen, Androsky said.

Instead, he said, one of the bar staffers, after being told racists were meeting in the bar, responded: “The only color I see is green.”

Androsky said he noticed that the Proud Boys were beginning to circle around a few patrons celebrating a birthday. He became concerned that they were going to start a fight with the group, which included a few people of color.

“Hey, take off your dumb hats,” Androsky yelled at them. That got the group’s attention.

Madison McCabe, 28, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America L.A. group, said once she saw the Proud Boys converge on Androsky, who is her boyfriend, she stepped in front of a large Proud Boys member, placing her hand on his chest to stop him. McCabe, who is 5 foot, 4 inches and about 110 pounds, was shoved to the ground.

The Proud Boys L.A. president confirmed that McCabe was very likely shoved.

“She thought it was a good idea to shove a guy, and it turns out when you do that, they’ll shove you back,” he said. “But here’s the thing, she wasn’t hurt. She received a reasonable and appropriate response to putting hands on someone. The cops knew — they knew and said it was fine.”

This is the point in the evening when the Proud Boys say the fight started.

The group’s president said the fight began because someone stole one of his group members’ “Make America Great Again” hats.

Androsky confirmed he was the hat thief.

“After the Nazis shoved my girlfriend, my retaliation was to grab one of their hats and chuck it outside, and I feel great about my decision,” he said.

During an interview with The Times, the president of the Proud Boys Los Angeles chapter declined to give his full name because he said his group members have been attacked on social media, fired from their jobs for their political beliefs and physically attacked for wearing “Make America Great Again” hats.

He said the group went to the Griffin to enjoy each other’s company and rejected the notion that his group purposefully went to cause trouble in a part of Los Angeles where fewer than 20% of voters supported Donald Trump for president.

He said they were not harassing anyone but instead quietly enjoying their evening until Androsky and fellow organizers arrived and started shouting at them, calling them Nazis, racists and fascists. He said the Proud Boys are none of those things and instead “believe that Western culture is the best.”

The group, which has about 160 members and up to 300 pending applicants, is racially diverse, he said. The Proud Boys allow only “biological men,” but members do not have to identify as heterosexual, he said, noting that the vice president of the L.A. chapter is gay and Jewish.

The president, who said he is Chinese and Hawaiian, said his friends call him racial slurs sometimes because that’s how men show affection — “by talking [expletive] to each other.”

“I think that racial pride is stupid,” he said. “I think racial pride is stupid because how can you be proud of something you took no part in creating? I believe you can only be proud of accomplishments.… I’m not going to be proud of you because the stars were aligned, and you happened to come out of that person’s womb, and you happened to be white.”

Saturday’s fight escalated to the point that the Griffin staff closed the bar.

Once outside, the yelling continued.

After being called a “racist Nazi,” one Proud Boy member can be heard on a video posted to Twitter yelling to the community organizers, “I got a half-black [expletive] son, what the [expletive] up?”

Androsky said his goal of helping to organize a group to go to the Griffin was to show that “Nazis aren’t welcome in L.A.”

“The Proud Boys say they’re not Nazis, and duh, they’re not from 1945, they’re not 100 years old,” Androsky said. “But in America, there’s a fun little thing which is a catch-all term for right-wing racist hate groups, and it’s Nazi.”

Following the incident, the Griffin has been inundated with negative Yelp reviews and calls by some users on social media for a boycott.

On Sunday at 11:49 a.m., the Griffin posted a statement to its Facebook page underscoring that the bar doesn’t support the Proud Boys or any other related group. Ideally, the group would have been stopped at the door and not allowed in, the statement said.

“Since they were already inside I advised that we use a tactic that I’ve used in the past with gang members or people that are obviously in there to cause problems, kill them with kindness and they’ll get bored and go away,” the statement reads. “We are generally a pretty mellow and peaceful bar with no real security and I foolishly thought this was the best way to ensure they’d leave without putting my staff in danger.”

Later Sunday, the Griffin announced it would be closed that evening, and that moving forward, the bar staff will screen patrons and no hate group will be allowed on the premises.

The bar will also post signs at the bar’s entrance: “No sexism, no racism, no ableism, no ageism, no homophobia, no fatphobia, no transphobia, no hatefulness.”

Aaron Chepenik, one of the Griffin owners, said to ensure people understand that the Griffin and its owners care about the community, they will host a community benefit at 9 p.m. Wednesday, with proceeds going to the Los Feliz Neighborhood Council.

When asked whether they would return, both the community organizers and the Proud Boys said they have no plans to do so. They both agree they’re done with the Griffin.

 

they really seem like little bitches. and the latinos are racists coconuts. fuck'em

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3 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:

oof. cops, veterans & racism. 3/3

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/crime_police/article_bcb4ac9c-8f62-11e8-bb20-77b29e6d15cf.html

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The unidentified civilian wore “military garb,” according to sources, which led one of the officers to question the civilian's military record. That officer, the sources said, is a veteran.

Military garb?

My 5 year-old son apparently wears military garb. That we got at fucking Walmart or Old Navy or whatever. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Military garb?

My 5 year-old son apparently wears military garb. That we got at fucking Walmart or Old Navy or whatever. 

If a camo t-shirt is "military garb," the chainsmoking dude at the bait shop on Sunday in surfside must have been fucking Rambo, because his camo t-shirt had holes in it and shit.  Probably from enemy grenades and shit.

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Who seriously wakes up in the morning and thinks it's a completely justifiable idea to travel 2300 miles to harass teenagers who literally watched their classmates get mowed down by a gunman? What's the objective? I hope these asshats get arrested for stalking.

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2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Who seriously wakes up in the morning and thinks it's a completely justifiable idea to travel 2300 miles to harass teenagers who literally watched their classmates get mowed down by a gunman? What's the objective? I hope these asshats get arrested for stalking.

Well, see....it all starts with a micropenis and a life history of failure....

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https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/crime_police/article_a1fcd11c-8f90-11e8-9c40-7304e4f8e390.html

The New Orleans Police Department arrested two of its own officers and began the process of firing them after an off-duty fight with a civilian early Tuesday near a Mid-City bar, according to authorities.

John Galman and Spencer Sutton — rookies who graduated from the police training academy in December and had not yet completed a required probationary period — were booked on counts of simple battery in connection with an incident that sent the civilian to the hospital.

Gomez said neither of the arrested men identified himself as an NOPD officer when he encountered them in the Mid-City Yacht Club, which is in the 400 block of South St. Patrick Street, near his house. Gomez said both men were white, and one said he didn't like the military camouflage shirt and pants being worn by Gomez, who is Hispanic.

"He asked me if I was American. I told him yes, and he got mad because he said I was fake," said Gomez, who described himself as a U.S. native who was raised in Honduras before returning to live in New Orleans. 

Gomez, who speaks Spanish as well as English with an accent, also described being asked if he served in the military.

Gomez said he did serve, including with the Louisiana National Guard, but the man who took issue with his clothing wasn't satisfied with any of his answers.

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On 7/26/2018 at 5:11 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

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1.  Its perfect that he is wearing a cap with a huge vagina on his huge vagina head.

2.  I wonder I I can shot his ass for parking like a douche and then claim ‘Stand Your Ground’. 

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Yep.  Makes perfect sense.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-alt-right-is-taking-over-renaissance-fairs?source=twitter&via=desktop

 

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Ten days before the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville last year, Paul Walsh was telling fellow neo-Nazis how to build and carry shields. “Carrying it like that it will flop around and be a pain in the ass,” Walsh scolded a member of his chat group, who suggested a hands-free shield modification. 

How did Walsh know how a shield would work in action? “I do a lot of nerdy LARP [live action role play] shit with shields,” he explained. 

He wasn’t kidding. Before Unite the Right, Walsh was an active participant in Dagorhir, a medieval fantasy role-playing game in which players dress as knights or orcs (one of Walsh’s preferred costumes) and bash the hell out of each other with foam swords. Nor was he alone. Since the 19th Century, white supremacists have bought into a fictionalized vision of medieval Europe, which they interpret—incorrectly, according to medieval scholars—as an all-white world. Now, with white supremacist extremism on the rise, those medievalist influences are leaking into the real world, from allegations of neo-Nazism in the LARPing community and the professional sword-fighting realm, to Renaissance Faire-loving bombers and fascist cults who encourage recruits to read Lord of the Rings.

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The significant overlap between Nazi fans and European history fans has led to a phenomenon medieval scholar Paul Sturtevant calls “Schrödinger’s Medievalism”: “a piece of medieval culture found in the wild that you know has been appropriated as a symbol by right-wing nationalists or racists ... You can’t tell which is it until you get more information—and sometimes doing so is impossible. So, sometimes you are left in the uncomfortable position of having to treat it as both benign and hostile at the same time.”

 

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People don’t realize the setup of “if my understanding of the situation is correct, this dumb thing must be true” is just as likely an indictment your understanding as the situation. 

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On 7/27/2018 at 3:31 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Who seriously wakes up in the morning and thinks it's a completely justifiable idea to travel 2300 miles to harass teenagers who literally watched their classmates get mowed down by a gunman? What's the objective? I hope these asshats get arrested for stalking.

This - these guys are complete idiots. Follow the money trail sand see who is supporting them. 

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