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Check out that kickass table holding the donuts.  $100 says that box (serving table) held those two speakers and the two tripod stands.  A flat screen that says "press conference" on it so you'll know it's a press conference while you watch the press conference.  Sweet garden hose.  

Jacob Wohl and that weird lawyer are a gift to physical comedy:

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Check out that kickass table holding the donuts.  $100 says that box (serving table) held those two speakers and the two tripod stands.  A flat screen that says "press conference" on it so you'll know it's a press conference while you watch the press conference.  Sweet garden hose.  

Jacob Wohl and that weird lawyer are a gift to physical comedy:

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Dunkin Donuts suck.  Their coffee is good, tho.

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Speaking of baseball...

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"A Chicago Cubs fan has been banned indefinitely from Wrigley Field after he was observed making an apparent “white power” gesture behind a black reporter during a live broadcast Tuesday."

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Back in December, Washington state Trump supporter Joshua Greene donated a small amount of money to the crowdfunding effort to build a wall along the southern border. He wasn’t alone. The GoFundMe page to build the wall, to which he’d donated, was a sensation on the right in late 2018 and raised more than $20 million.  

Organized by triple-amputee veteran Brian Kolfage, the campaign eventually morphed into a nonprofit called We Build the Wall, which promised to build portions of the wall on private land using the money it raised.

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Months later, there’s no evidence that any construction has started, despite claims from Kolfage and his allies that construction would start in April. And now Greene is wondering what ever happened to that wall he was promised his dollars would fund?  

“The lack of updates is very concerning,” Greene wrote in an email to Right Richter. 

He’s not the only GoFundMe donor curious about what happened to the wall money. Since We Build the Wall blew their April deadline, Twitter replies to Kolfage and the group’s Facebook page have filled up with angry donors. Greene started tweeting his displeasure, too.  

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We Build the Wall has frequently presented itself as poised to start building portions of the wall on private land. In February, former Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach—who is a member of We Build the Wall’s board of directors—claimed that the group was “getting ready to break ground, probably in April.” 

Kolfage himself went further, saying in a radio interview in March that “we’re going to start breaking ground next month.” The group had even promised to invite donors to a groundbreaking ceremony.

 

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More than a week into May, though, We Build the Wall hasn’t shown any proof that any ground has been broken, and donors say they weren’t any invited to any promised groundbreaking ceremony. 

Donors to the group have begun taking out their frustrations on the organization’s Facebook page, which often hypes the threat of immigrants crossing the border illegally. 

“Show me video of wall being built and I'll pony up my next donation,” reads one angry Facebook comment. 

“Where is the rest of the money going?” reads another.

Making donors more nervous is that Kolfage has a history of participating in questionable endeavors. He was a prolific operator of hoax pages on Facebook, and money he raised in the past to help veterans’ programs in hospitals never actually went to those hospitals. 

Complicating the effort further is that it’s not that easy to find private land right on the border where a wall can be built. 

Kolfage and We Build the Wall’s board of directors have spent plenty of time in Arizona, ostensibly scouting private land to build the wall. But The Phoenix New Times reported in March that the “vast majority” of land on the border in Arizona is owned by the federal government. Meanwhile, many of the people who actually own land on the border told the New Times that they hadn’t been contacted by We Build the Wall. 

We Build the Wall didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a Facebook comment this week, the group claimed, once again, that it was very close to building the wall. Conveniently, though, We Build the Wall claimed the information about the private wall’s location had to be “secure” in order to confound liberal foes. 

“VERY soon we can release the details but have to keep that information secure for the time being as to prevent giving our detractors a heads up to derail our progress,” the statement reads. “Soon, everyone will have the update they've been waiting for which we can't wait to share. This updated delay is just the unfortunate process of building a controversial barrier some people don't want to happen.”

Kolfage has made similar statements in the past, claiming in a March radio interview that he can’t say where the wall will be built because Trump critics like the American Civil Liberties Union would try to stop it. 

“I wish I could name where it’s at, but we can’t name it because of the ACLU, these other liberal groups that want to sue us and impede our progress,” Kolfage said. “But it’s actually happening.” 

As for Greene, he’s fed up with the lack of information about the campaign he financially supported.

“I knew Brian had some previous shady gofundme campaigns,” Greene emailed. “I felt more confident when He brought on other big names to work with him, I haven't seen a tweet from ANY of them.”

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

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More than a week into May, though, We Build the Wall hasn’t shown any proof that any ground has been broken, and donors say they weren’t any invited to any promised groundbreaking ceremony. 

Donors to the group have begun taking out their frustrations on the organization’s Facebook page, which often hypes the threat of immigrants crossing the border illegally. 

“Show me video of wall being built and I'll pony up my next donation,” reads one angry Facebook comment. 

“Where is the rest of the money going?” reads another.

Making donors more nervous is that Kolfage has a history of participating in questionable endeavors. He was a prolific operator of hoax pages on Facebook, and money he raised in the past to help veterans’ programs in hospitals never actually went to those hospitals. 

Complicating the effort further is that it’s not that easy to find private land right on the border where a wall can be built. 

Kolfage and We Build the Wall’s board of directors have spent plenty of time in Arizona, ostensibly scouting private land to build the wall. But The Phoenix New Times reported in March that the “vast majority” of land on the border in Arizona is owned by the federal government. Meanwhile, many of the people who actually own land on the border told the New Times that they hadn’t been contacted by We Build the Wall. 

We Build the Wall didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a Facebook comment this week, the group claimed, once again, that it was very close to building the wall. Conveniently, though, We Build the Wall claimed the information about the private wall’s location had to be “secure” in order to confound liberal foes. 

“VERY soon we can release the details but have to keep that information secure for the time being as to prevent giving our detractors a heads up to derail our progress,” the statement reads. “Soon, everyone will have the update they've been waiting for which we can't wait to share. This updated delay is just the unfortunate process of building a controversial barrier some people don't want to happen.”

Kolfage has made similar statements in the past, claiming in a March radio interview that he can’t say where the wall will be built because Trump critics like the American Civil Liberties Union would try to stop it. 

“I wish I could name where it’s at, but we can’t name it because of the ACLU, these other liberal groups that want to sue us and impede our progress,” Kolfage said. “But it’s actually happening.” 

As for Greene, he’s fed up with the lack of information about the campaign he financially supported.

“I knew Brian had some previous shady gofundme campaigns,” Greene emailed. “I felt more confident when He brought on other big names to work with him, I haven't seen a tweet from ANY of them.”

 

 

 

 They aren’t even competent scammers. This would be the easiest scam in the world. It’s not like there are some controller that is going to be auditing their books. Just take the 20 million bucks, spend $10 million building some walls to show people images of. All the donors are happy. You’re $10 million richer. Wash rinse repeat. 

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 They aren’t even competent scammers. This would be the easiest scam in the world. It’s not like there are some controller that is going to be auditing their books. Just take the 20 million bucks, spend $10 million building some walls to show people images of. All the donors are happy. You’re $10 million richer. Wash rinse repeat. 

I would just take pictures of a wall already built and pocket the entire $20 mil, if I was a scam artist 

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More than a week into May, though, We Build the Wall hasn’t shown any proof that any ground has been broken, and donors say they weren’t any invited to any promised groundbreaking ceremony. 

Donors to the group have begun taking out their frustrations on the organization’s Facebook page, which often hypes the threat of immigrants crossing the border illegally. 

“Show me video of wall being built and I'll pony up my next donation,” reads one angry Facebook comment. 

“Where is the rest of the money going?” reads another.

Making donors more nervous is that Kolfage has a history of participating in questionable endeavors. He was a prolific operator of hoax pages on Facebook, and money he raised in the past to help veterans’ programs in hospitals never actually went to those hospitals. 

Complicating the effort further is that it’s not that easy to find private land right on the border where a wall can be built. 

Kolfage and We Build the Wall’s board of directors have spent plenty of time in Arizona, ostensibly scouting private land to build the wall. But The Phoenix New Times reported in March that the “vast majority” of land on the border in Arizona is owned by the federal government. Meanwhile, many of the people who actually own land on the border told the New Times that they hadn’t been contacted by We Build the Wall. 

We Build the Wall didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a Facebook comment this week, the group claimed, once again, that it was very close to building the wall. Conveniently, though, We Build the Wall claimed the information about the private wall’s location had to be “secure” in order to confound liberal foes. 

“VERY soon we can release the details but have to keep that information secure for the time being as to prevent giving our detractors a heads up to derail our progress,” the statement reads. “Soon, everyone will have the update they've been waiting for which we can't wait to share. This updated delay is just the unfortunate process of building a controversial barrier some people don't want to happen.”

Kolfage has made similar statements in the past, claiming in a March radio interview that he can’t say where the wall will be built because Trump critics like the American Civil Liberties Union would try to stop it. 

“I wish I could name where it’s at, but we can’t name it because of the ACLU, these other liberal groups that want to sue us and impede our progress,” Kolfage said. “But it’s actually happening.” 

As for Greene, he’s fed up with the lack of information about the campaign he financially supported.

“I knew Brian had some previous shady gofundme campaigns,” Greene emailed. “I felt more confident when He brought on other big names to work with him, I haven't seen a tweet from ANY of them.”

 

 

 

Ignorant rubes and their money are soon parted. 

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The National Rifle Association emerged from its annual convention last week with a veneer of stability. 

Its leader Wayne LaPierre managed to quash a takeover attempt by now-ousted President Oliver North, winning reelection as executive vice president in a unanimous vote of top board members. 

 

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But beneath the surface, the organization is in turmoil. New York Attorney General Letitia James is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into alleged financial mismanagement at the NRA, while the group is embroiled in a messy lawsuit with its longtime image-maker, Ackerman McQueen. The NRA sued the Oklahoma City-based ad firm last month to get documents as part of an apparent internal investigation into whether the firm has been siphoning money out of the gun lobby, allegations that Ackerman denies.

 

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Then there’s Carry Guard. The program — which offers combat training and liability insurance for shootings carried out in “self-defense” — was founded in 2017 to keep money flowing into the NRA’s dwindling coffers after President Trump’s surprise election left gun owners assured that, for the time being, at least, no “jack-booted”government officials were coming for their firearms. 

 

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Instead, Carry Guard has become a financial liability of its own. Multiple states have banned the program and are investigating whether the NRA violated state law regarding the marketing and sale of insurance. In a lawsuit against Lockton, Carry Guard’s administrator, the NRA alleged it lost “tens of millions of dollars” from the program after relying on assurances that Lockton was complying with state law. Numerous NRA members took issue with the program’s “sloppy” rollout.

Gun control advocates even gave Carry Guard a nickname: “murder insurance.”

Rather than help the NRA shore up its finances, Carry Guard has become a symbol of the unprecedented public relations and legal woes plaguing the nation’s largest gun group.

The NRA did not reply to TPM’s repeated requests for comment. In lawsuits against the state of New York and its former insurance broker, the NRA said the accusations that it violated state law in marketing Carry Guard were part of a coordinated, politically motivated assault, and implied that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was using the case to intimidate Lockton and other insurers out of doing business with the NRA.

The Trace, an outlet devoted to gun-related issues, first revealed the scandals around Carry Guard.

From the NRA’s perspective, Carry Guard had real potential to be lucrative. Like many affinity groups, the NRA had long offered various forms of insurance to members, former NRA lobbyist Richard Feldman told TPM. 

Feldman called insurance sales a tremendous source of revenue for the NRA over the years, but that, under LaPierre’s watch, the drive to earn a profit off them was taken “to the extreme.” 

LaPierre had “turned the NRA into a business,” he added.

NRA members — and numerous stories from The Trace — refer to Carry Guard as the “brainchild” of NRA member Josh Powell. Brought on as NRA chief of staff in 2016 from the world of high-end outdoor garments, Powell reportedly “billed” the program “as an integral part of securing the NRA’s finances well into the future,” a source “close to the NRA” told The Trace.

Court filings indicate that Powell began serious preparation on Carry Guard in late 2016. The final version of the product offered four tiers of protection, from a bronze plan providing $250,000 in protection from civil lawsuits and another $50,000 in criminal defense to gold plus, with $1.5 million in civil protection and an extra $250,000 for criminal defense.

The Trace quoted a former Ackerman McQueen employee as saying that “Carry Guard was pushed to the front after the election because they needed money.”

But the project appears to have failed in that task. Between 2016 and December 2018, when Powell was shifted to a new role handling legal strategy for the various lawsuits entangling Carry Guard, the NRA lost some $55 million in income, according to The Trace.

That period saw internal dissent over the program, with some NRA members seeing it as a potential scam, according to interviews with NRA members and publiclyavailable posts.

Carry Guard’s liability insurance component only kicks in for criminal cases after an acquittal. Individual Carry Guard customers would have to cover the hefty costs of criminal defense out of pocket until they were acquitted, leading to accusations within the firearms community that the NRA was luring people into paying for a service unlikely to help them during the most expensive and consequential phase of liability. 

NRA allies also raised red flags about Carry Guard’s marketing and training operations.

Beginning with its April 2017 launch, the NRA aggressively marketed Carry Guard as a way for gun-owning civilians to defend themselves at home and on the street, using military tactics.

The marketing campaign itself — an Ackerman McQueen production — used a group of former Navy SEALs and Army Rangers to hawk the program. The same former special forces operatives also worked as instructors for the Carry Guard trainings.

That prompted an outcry within the existing pool of NRA-certified firearms trainers. Most of them are NRA members with day jobs, who earn extra cash by running certification courses for different kinds of firearms, the most popular being a tactical defense course called basic pistol. They worried about the potential loss of income from military-style trainings, and about Carry Guard’s focus on teaching offensive — rather than defensive — tactics. 

“How do you take Navy SEALS and Rangers, and apply that kind of training to civilians? The two don’t correlate,” trainer Bob Boilard, who wrote a widely-circulated post about how the program threw instructors “under the bus,” told TPM.

“Their rules of engagement on the battlefield are completely different than your rules of engagement on an American street,” another longtime instructor, who requested anonymity to speak candidly out of fear of retaliation from the NRA, told TPM.

Their concerns dovetail, in part, with the liability insurance element of Carry Guard. The law is relatively black-and-white when it comes to taking up arms to defend one’s home from an intruder, instructors told TPM. People maiming or killing others in the name of self-defense in public settings, however, raises a morass of legal questions.

“You can’t pull a gun and start shooting, there are statutory requirements,” the same longtime instructor said. 

Carry Guard’s marketing appears to emphasize these outdoor, public encounters.

Here’s a screencap from a 2017 version of the website:

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The website has since been updated to emphasize how the training courses focus on “defensive” tactical skills. But they still highlight apparently public encounters, as in this screenshot from the current version of the site:

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A third NRA trainer, who certifies other instructors and also spoke anonymously for fear of retaliation, told TPM that “Carry Guard got more into military-type offensive stuff — it’s not for a civilian to go and learn to kick in a door and clear a room.”

No regulator has gone after Carry Guard for any violation related to its training courses.

Many states, however, have laws forbidding companies from marketing insurance policies without an appropriate license.

By October 2017, New York was investigating the NRA and the firms it hired to operate Carry Guard for breaking state law regarding the marketing and sale of insurance.

Within weeks, Carry Guard’s broker and administrator, Lockton, suspended its participation in the program in New York. Empire State officials banned the sale of Carry Guard insurance to New York consumers, and fined Chubb, the policy’s underwriter, and Lockton, for a total of $8.3 million.

Other states — including New Jersey, California and Washington — soon launched investigations of their own.

But the New York case has progressed the furthest. According to court documents reviewed by TPM, state regulators alleged that Carry Guard violated state law prohibiting insurance that covers holders who inflict bodily harm. An add-on offering a free one-year NRA membership to Carry Guard purchasers was also illegal, they said.

By April 2018, Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) issued a notification urging businesses to reconsider their ties to the NRA.

The NRA has sued both Cuomo and Lockton, seeking to recoup revenues lost from the Carry Guard insurance program. The NRA accuses Cuomo of selectively pursuing the group as part of a “political vendetta” that discontinued other, non-Carry Guard insurance policies it had offered to New York State members for years.

But in the Cuomo lawsuit, the NRA admitted to hemorrhaging money since the Carry Guard investigations began, claiming that the state’s warning has seriously hindered its ability to do business.

“The NRA has encountered serious difficulties obtaining corporate insurance coverage, media liability coverage, and basic banking services,” the July 2018 document reads, going on to say that though the NRA has tried to find new business partners, “nearly every carrier has indicated that it fears transacting with the NRA.”

The group adds without the coverage, it would be unable “to continue its existence as a not-for-profit organization and fulfill its advocacy objectives.”

 

 

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Check out that kickass table holding the donuts.  $100 says that box (serving table) held those two speakers and the two tripod stands.  A flat screen that says "press conference" on it so you'll know it's a press conference while you watch the press conference.  Sweet garden hose.  

Jacob Wohl and that weird lawyer are a gift to physical comedy:

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"Please don't get any donut icing on the box, we have to return the speakers to Costco later"

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/shocker-the-gofundme-campaign-to-build-the-wall-is-a-bust?ref=home

 

 

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More than a week into May, though, We Build the Wall hasn’t shown any proof that any ground has been broken, and donors say they weren’t any invited to any promised groundbreaking ceremony. 

Donors to the group have begun taking out their frustrations on the organization’s Facebook page, which often hypes the threat of immigrants crossing the border illegally. 

“Show me video of wall being built and I'll pony up my next donation,” reads one angry Facebook comment. 

“Where is the rest of the money going?” reads another.

Making donors more nervous is that Kolfage has a history of participating in questionable endeavors. He was a prolific operator of hoax pages on Facebook, and money he raised in the past to help veterans’ programs in hospitals never actually went to those hospitals. 

Complicating the effort further is that it’s not that easy to find private land right on the border where a wall can be built. 

Kolfage and We Build the Wall’s board of directors have spent plenty of time in Arizona, ostensibly scouting private land to build the wall. But The Phoenix New Times reported in March that the “vast majority” of land on the border in Arizona is owned by the federal government. Meanwhile, many of the people who actually own land on the border told the New Times that they hadn’t been contacted by We Build the Wall. 

We Build the Wall didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a Facebook comment this week, the group claimed, once again, that it was very close to building the wall. Conveniently, though, We Build the Wall claimed the information about the private wall’s location had to be “secure” in order to confound liberal foes. 

“VERY soon we can release the details but have to keep that information secure for the time being as to prevent giving our detractors a heads up to derail our progress,” the statement reads. “Soon, everyone will have the update they've been waiting for which we can't wait to share. This updated delay is just the unfortunate process of building a controversial barrier some people don't want to happen.”

Kolfage has made similar statements in the past, claiming in a March radio interview that he can’t say where the wall will be built because Trump critics like the American Civil Liberties Union would try to stop it. 

“I wish I could name where it’s at, but we can’t name it because of the ACLU, these other liberal groups that want to sue us and impede our progress,” Kolfage said. “But it’s actually happening.” 

As for Greene, he’s fed up with the lack of information about the campaign he financially supported.

“I knew Brian had some previous shady gofundme campaigns,” Greene emailed. “I felt more confident when He brought on other big names to work with him, I haven't seen a tweet from ANY of them.”

 

 

 

 They aren’t even competent scammers. This would be the easiest scam in the world. It’s not like there are some controller that is going to be auditing their books. Just take the 20 million bucks, spend $10 million building some walls to show people images of. All the donors are happy. You’re $10 million richer. Wash rinse repeat. 

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16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is an amazing interview.  Ben Shapiro gets relentlessly trolled and called out by a soft spoken old guy just asking questions.

The whole thing is great but you can start around the 3:35 mark.

 

The pulling of the "I'm popular and no one has ever heard of you card" is outstanding.

What a whiny little snit.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/shocker-the-gofundme-campaign-to-build-the-wall-is-a-bust?ref=home

 

 

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More than a week into May, though, We Build the Wall hasn’t shown any proof that any ground has been broken, and donors say they weren’t any invited to any promised groundbreaking ceremony. 

Donors to the group have begun taking out their frustrations on the organization’s Facebook page, which often hypes the threat of immigrants crossing the border illegally. 

“Show me video of wall being built and I'll pony up my next donation,” reads one angry Facebook comment. 

“Where is the rest of the money going?” reads another.

Making donors more nervous is that Kolfage has a history of participating in questionable endeavors. He was a prolific operator of hoax pages on Facebook, and money he raised in the past to help veterans’ programs in hospitals never actually went to those hospitals. 

Complicating the effort further is that it’s not that easy to find private land right on the border where a wall can be built. 

Kolfage and We Build the Wall’s board of directors have spent plenty of time in Arizona, ostensibly scouting private land to build the wall. But The Phoenix New Times reported in March that the “vast majority” of land on the border in Arizona is owned by the federal government. Meanwhile, many of the people who actually own land on the border told the New Times that they hadn’t been contacted by We Build the Wall. 

We Build the Wall didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a Facebook comment this week, the group claimed, once again, that it was very close to building the wall. Conveniently, though, We Build the Wall claimed the information about the private wall’s location had to be “secure” in order to confound liberal foes. 

“VERY soon we can release the details but have to keep that information secure for the time being as to prevent giving our detractors a heads up to derail our progress,” the statement reads. “Soon, everyone will have the update they've been waiting for which we can't wait to share. This updated delay is just the unfortunate process of building a controversial barrier some people don't want to happen.”

Kolfage has made similar statements in the past, claiming in a March radio interview that he can’t say where the wall will be built because Trump critics like the American Civil Liberties Union would try to stop it. 

“I wish I could name where it’s at, but we can’t name it because of the ACLU, these other liberal groups that want to sue us and impede our progress,” Kolfage said. “But it’s actually happening.” 

As for Greene, he’s fed up with the lack of information about the campaign he financially supported.

“I knew Brian had some previous shady gofundme campaigns,” Greene emailed. “I felt more confident when He brought on other big names to work with him, I haven't seen a tweet from ANY of them.”

 

 

 

I knew Brian was a con artist, but I felt more comfortable giving him my money when he brought big name con artists onboard.

 

Ttom: You goddamn libtards are going to blow the election cuz you won't listen to what Trump supporters have to say!

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