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Planet Houston
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Well, it just wasn't in the cards this year.  A combination of great play by the BoSox, the injury bug, inopportune cold streaks and inability to put batters away with 2 outs resulted in an early exit

Seasick Sailor
Seasick Sailor

Thanks for the memories:

henrygandorf
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am i the only one having trouble understanding wtf this means?

Scraps

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Wonder if players will drop Boras now. 
Maldonado did. He is in the middle of changing agents so now there is a fight about who gets the %. I think the talks started when Boras was still his agent so he will probably get it. The other agent has already shit talked him
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13 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

No kidding.  For a supposedly elite defensive catcher he was pretty shitty at catching the ball.  That seems like it would be a pretty important skill for a catcher to have.

I think a lot to do with that is the current emphasis on pitch framing.

Catchers are trying to avoid excessive glove movement in order to improve on framing, but it is costing them in terms of surrendering more passed balls.

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Bregman Disappointed at Contract Renewal:

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- All-Star third baseman Alex Bregman told MLB.com Monday he was disappointed after having his contract renewed by the Astros at a salary of $640,500 for the 2019 season, a figure which represents a $41,500 raise from last year but which he feels is less than fair compensation.

Bregman, coming off a breakout year in 2018 in which he led the Astros in nearly every offensive category and finished fifth in the American League Most Valuable Player Award voting, said he told the team to renew him at the league minimum of $555,000 after they couldn't reach an agreement, and the Astros instead renewed him at $640,500.

"I'm just disappointed and I feel like I outperformed that last year," Bregman said. "I understand that it's a business, but I feel like good business would be wanting to make a player who performed at a high level on your team happy and want to feel like he wanted to be kept and feel like they wanted him to play here forever. I'm just disappointed it doesn't seem like the same amount of want."

Players who haven't signed a long-term contract extension or accrued the MLB service time necessary to be eligible for salary arbitration can have their contract renewed by their club as a one-year deal for the coming season. There's little room for negotiation and the Astros typically have put players back at the minimum if they didn't come to a contract agreement.

Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow said Bregman was given a salary based on their structure, which takes into account the quality of the previous season and the career. He said the Bregman renewal represents the second-highest pre-arbitration salary the club has ever given out, in addition to being top 10 in league history. Last year, the Astros renewed All-Star shortstop Carlos Correa for $1 million in his final year before arbitration.

The largest one-year deal given to a pre-arbitration eligible player went to Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant, who agreed to a $1.05 million contract in 2017 -- the year after he won the National League MVP Award. The Cubs rewarded Bryant after delaying his callup two weeks into the regular season to gain an extra year of service time and push back his free agency.

"The reason we went out of our way last year for Correa is he won Rookie of the Year [in 2015] and missed Super Two by one day, and we felt like we needed to make that up to him," Luhnow said. "That was a special circumstance for a special player. Alex is a special player and we hope he's here for his entire career, and we're giving him the second-highest pre-arbitration earnings that we've ever given in history and one of the top 10 in MLB history.

"I know it's not satisfying because he's a great player and no player is ever satisfied the year before they reach arbitration with the amount the club gives them. That's just the nature of our industry right now. That's the world we operate in, and next year when he reaches arbitration, he's going to begin to get paid at the level he deserves."

Super Two players are those who rank in the top 22 percent in service time from among players who have between two and three years of service, typically two years and at least 130 days. Super Two players reach arbitration a year early.

Bregman, 24, is coming off a career season in which he hit .286 with career highs in homers (31), RBIs (103), doubles (51), walks (96), on-base percentage (.394), slugging percentage (.532) and OPS (.926). He led the Astros in runs, hits, doubles, homers, RBIs, walks and OPS and was named the team's MVP.

Bregman was also named the MVP of the All-Star Game after hitting the game-winning homer for the AL. He's the first player in Major League history to have at least 30 homers and 50 doubles in a season while playing the majority of his games at third base.

 
Bregman's 30th HR, 50th double
 
Bregman's 30th HR, 50th double00:43Sep. 12th, 2018

"I feel like in the past they’ve paid players differently," Bregman said. "I just felt like I should have been compensated differently for my performance last year. I love playing for the Houston Astros and I just felt like things could have been handled differently."

When asked if the contract negotiations for 2019 could affect how he approaches any possible long-term deals, Bregman said no.

"I think this and that are two different discussions," he said. "I just want to be treated fairly for my performance."

 

Brian McTaggart has covered the Astros since 2004, and for MLB.com since 2009. Follow @brianmctaggart on Twitter.

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Seasick Sailor

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3 minutes ago, huge said:

well shit

Yeah, not great, but Bregs did say this:

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When asked if the contract negotiations for 2019 could affect how he approaches any possible long-term deals, Bregman said no.

"I think this and that are two different discussions," he said. "I just want to be treated fairly for my performance."

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55 minutes ago, huge said:

Oh I get it.

Then again pissed off Bregs is best Bregs.

He keeps say fairly, and the Astros seem to have done exactly that in context to Correa and league averages. What am I missing?

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pre-arb salary negotiations are very unusual.  not sure what bregs is actually pissed about.  article says he asked for the minimum (not sure what the upside is of that) but instead got a modest raise.  i just hope we haven't come in and insulted him with some shitty extension offer, although i wasn't expecting one until this season anyway (heading into arb1).  i highly doubt we have.

in a recent article, blake snell says similar things after only getting a 15k raise following his cy young season.

i'm sure the astros would have no trouble beating the bryant offer by a dollar, if that was the issue, but compared to the money he's going to be making soon, that just seems like a vanity exercise.

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On 3/11/2019 at 4:34 PM, henrygandorf said:

pre-arb salary negotiations are very unusual.  not sure what bregs is actually pissed about.  article says he asked for the minimum (not sure what the upside is of that) but instead got a modest raise.  i just hope we haven't come in and insulted him with some shitty extension offer, although i wasn't expecting one until this season anyway (heading into arb1).  i highly doubt we have.

in a recent article, blake snell says similar things after only getting a 15k raise following his cy young season.

i'm sure the astros would have no trouble beating the bryant offer by a dollar, if that was the issue, but compared to the money he's going to be making soon, that just seems like a vanity exercise.

They should have just given him a million like they gave Correa.  He was the team's best player last year. Thats worth 400k.  And everyone would have been happy with it.

He didn't really "ask" for the minimum. It was more like, "fuck it, if you don't want to negotiate in good faith, then just give me the minimum."

Bryant got fucked worse than all of them with the delayed call up designed to push free agency back a year. He was "rewarded" for that, but in actuality, he was robbed entirely of a prime earning year. 

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37 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

They should have just given him a million like they gave Correa.  He was the team's best player last year. Thats worth 400k.  And everyone would have been happy with it.

He didn't really "ask" for the minimum. It was more like, "fuck it, if you don't want to negotiate in good faith, then just give me the minimum."

Bryant got fucked worse than all of them with the delayed call up designed to push free agency back a year. He was "rewarded" for that, but in actuality, he was robbed entirely of a prime earning year. 

The analytics show that when the Astros give someone $1M pre-arb, he has a shitty year 100% of the time.

 

You can't argue with the numbers!

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1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

 Read that they already moved Tucker to the minor league camp. He didn't have the best of springs. Guess they wanted him to get more at bats. 

Yeah, with Brantley, it was expected that he'd start the year in AAA. Assuming he rakes there, I'd guess he probably comes up if White isn't getting it done at DH or one of the OFs gets hurt. 

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1 hour ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Yeah, with Brantley, it was expected that he'd start the year in AAA. Assuming he rakes there, I'd guess he probably comes up if White isn't getting it done at DH or one of the OFs gets hurt. 

Reddick is the one who will dictate his playing time this year. If reddick struggles or doesn't produce, Tucker will take ABs away from him.

 

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14 minutes ago, Mez2 said:

Reddick is the one who will dictate his playing time this year. If reddick struggles or doesn't produce, Tucker will take ABs away from him.

 

Maybe, but as long as Springer, Reddick, Brantley, Marisnick/Kemp are healthy, they are likely to be on the roster. I can't see adding a 5th/6th OF unless one is primarily replacing White at DH (and White is moved down). I suppose he could replace Kemp (assuming Kemp is on the active roster) if Reddick was really struggling. But Reddick would have to be really bad I think. THey're both lefty hitters so I don't see a platoon there, and I assume they want to give Tucker everyday ABs wherever he is. 

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Okay this slayed me:

"So don’t think of Miley as a replacement for both Keuchel and Morton. Instead, imagine that Keuchel and Morton went off into the woods, got lost, and Keuchel ate Morton before wandering back into Astros camp."
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