What's the Foo up to?

[Lurch 5931]

Missed when the posted this in April

[Lurch 5931]

Another super high quality, full length show I’d not seen

[jimmyjazz 46114]

Did this get posted?  Don't care.  Kinda cool zoom cover by some Brits who work for an ambulance service.  I like seeing the average Joes and Janes sing and play music.  Some of them aren't bad at all.

 

[Gil Bang 26000]

Foo 25 years as of tomorrow. Seems like yesterday.

[Biff Tannen 45721]

14 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Foo 25 years as of tomorrow. Seems like yesterday.

Damn.  I was enjoying my summer before my freshman year of high school.  I was just starting to dig deep into music and they seemed like a random off shoot band that was fun, but at that time I wouldn't have thought they would become the behemoths they are.  Rock on Dave.

[Lurch 5931]

They were that mentos band and I hated them.

[Buzzrock 14937]

[oSuJeff97 3435]

On 7/3/2020 at 8:47 PM, Gil Bang said:

Foo 25 years as of tomorrow. Seems like yesterday.

Holy shit.

That's fucking crazy man. Where does time go?  I distinctly remember going and buying the self-titled CD on release day at Starship Records in Tulsa. 

[Gil Bang 26000]

I know.  It's freaky. 

[jimmyjazz 46114]

How did I miss this?

 

[Chilly Water 416]

 

[Dennis Taylor 18860]

17 hours ago, Chilly Water said:

 

came to post this myself...very fucking cool. She is a little bad ass!  

[oSuJeff97 3435]

That was fucking badass. I had a huge smile on my face the whole time and when she gave the primal scream i was like, "FUCK YEAH!!!"   

[Bogeywon 2519]

I’ve read a lot of books about nirvana and the one consistent is how cool Dave come off in everyone. Just happy to be jamming and in a band 

[Handcruser 2805]

Dave is seriously the most bad ass guy on the planet.


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[Biff Tannen 45721]

Greatest living rock star. 

[Gil Bang 26000]

He really seems that way.   

[Gil Bang 26000]

 

[Buzzrock 14937]

His IG feed is half just him making bbq.

[Lurch 5931]

Jesus. The drum break is legit cool too

[pops 7006]

4 hours ago, Lurch said:

Jesus. The drum break is legit cool too
 

Good god he's a cool fucking cat. 

[shnsajax 3591]

We need a 1,000 more Grohl's in the world. Just a badass human at everything he does. 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

On 9/14/2020 at 12:22 PM, Lurch said:

Jesus. The drum break is legit cool too
 

Just now seeing this... it's been said, but worth repeating... Dave Grohl is just a goddman national treasure.

[jimmyjazz 46114]

Dave Grohl is what happens when an ordinary Joe with a highly refined but very specific skillset, who also happens to be a good dude, manages to fight through the shit and rise to the top.

[Biff Tannen 45721]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Dave Grohl is what happens when an ordinary Joe with a highly refined but very specific skillset, who also happens to be a good dude, manages to fight through the shit and rise to the top.

[Radical Larry 28660]

 

[Lurch 5931]

[Lurch 5931]

And teasing a new album some think is due Feb 5

[Radical Larry 28660]

Grohl is supposed to be on XM 36 Alt Nation tomorrow at 11am CST. New song coming out. Maybe they’ll play it on SNL tonight.

[Radical Larry 28660]

[Biff Tannen 45721]

Killed it. 
 

 

[jimmyjazz 46114]

Yeah, I didn't love the first tune, but that was a cool version of "Times Like These".

Two thoughts:

1.  Taylor Hawkins still hovers near the top of the world of current rock drummers

2.  they channeled their inner Rush at the end

[Biff Tannen 45721]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

1.  Taylor Hawkins still hovers near the top of the world of current rock drummers

As does Grohl. 

[jimmyjazz 46114]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

As does Grohl. 

Well, yeah.  That goes without saying.  It's why I give Hawkins so much credit for stepping into that role.  "Hey, Greatest Drummer in Rock, what's up?  Oh, you need a drummer for your new band?  You need recs?  Nah man, I'll do it.  Yeah, Alanis will be cool with it.  Well, probably not, but I don't care."

[Lurch 5931]

Dave says the first song doesn’t sound like the rest of the album, but is directionally where he sees them going in the future

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

What I've always been curious about with respect to drumming on post-Goldsmith FF records is, I wonder how much input Grohl gives Hawkins. In the band bio documentary from 2011, he (Grohl) danced around the issue of why Goldsmith was pushed out. He didn't say "he wasn't up to par as a drummer", but he did say that the drumming on the first pass at Colour and Shape wasn't, because Grohl had very specific ideas around what he wanted. 

When Grohl brings in a rough song idea, etc, I wonder how much direction he gives Hawkins if (as he implies in the documentary) he knows what he wants to hear drum-wise from the start, versus letting Hawkins create the drum sound himself from scratch.  

[Radical Larry 28660]

[Al_4_ISU 12483]

I don't really care for "Shame Shame" and if that's the direction they go in the future, I won't have much interest in those albums.

I enjoyed the last one because it was the no frills hard rock that they've gotten down to a science.  I'm not looking to Dave Grohl for growth and new ideas at this stage in the game.

[Lurch 5931]

What I've always been curious about with respect to drumming on post-Goldsmith FF records is, I wonder how much input Grohl gives Hawkins. In the band bio documentary from 2011, he (Grohl) danced around the issue of why Goldsmith was pushed out. He didn't say "he wasn't up to par as a drummer", but he did say that the drumming on the first pass at Colour and Shape wasn't, because Grohl had very specific ideas around what he wanted. 
When Grohl brings in a rough song idea, etc, I wonder how much direction he gives Hawkins if (as he implies in the documentary) he knows what he wants to hear drum-wise from the start, versus letting Hawkins create the drum sound himself from scratch.  

I would think it has evolved over time. Taylor is a pretty passionate student of music history and bluntly states at the end of B&F that he’s an artist, not a drummer. He likely looked to Dave for the first few records together, but I would have to believe has written the vast amount of his parts the last decade or so.

[Al_4_ISU 12483]

I don't know if it was the documentary or not, but I've either seen something or read something that made it really clear that Goldsmith was out because he wasn't a good enough drummer for Grohl.

[Biff Tannen 45721]

7 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I don't know if it was the documentary or not, but I've either seen something or read something that made it really clear that Goldsmith was out because he wasn't a good enough drummer for Grohl.

Yeah, they go over it in the documentary.  It's fairly brutal and Dave feels bad about how he handled it.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, they go over it in the documentary.

Sort of. I don't think they establish what Al is saying. Grohl still wanted Goldsmith to tour in support of the record and to stay in the band; it was Goldsmith who chose to quit. To me, the documentary did not establish that Goldsmith wasn't a good enough drummer (clearly Gil Norton thought so). Grohl's objection to what Goldsmith played on the record wasn't specifically "not competent", it was:

"There was the constant feeling that, whatever song you were playing, Dave had (the) drum part for it, already, in his head or whatever."-- Goldsmith

"When I've written a song... (pause)... I have kind of a clear idea of where the basic roots accents should lie. It's a fancy way of saying 'I know what the drums should sound like, in my head, as I'm doing this thing. That's not necessarily fair, to say that, (as you're) collaborating with other musicians." -- Grohl

"I think that William played the best that he could, and that sometimes it was great, and sometimes it wasn't. If I listen to a song, and I don't think it has the thing that it needs, it's not necessarily gonna get past me, and get on an album." -- Grohl

"The conversation I eventually had with William was, I really wanted him to stay in the band, and I really wanted him to be the drummer. But, I was gonna play drums on (The Colour and the Shape). It's a tough thing to talk about, because I know William will never forgive me for playing drums on that record, and I wish things were different. But, um... I felt like this was what I had to do in order to make this album happen." -- Grohl

So Grohl thought the album would be better, and I'm sure all the record company lizards thought it would sell better, with his drumming on it. Clearly true. There's a huge gap between Grohl and Goldsmith's talent, to the point Grohl wanted to write Goldsmith's parts. There's much less of a gap, if any, between Hawkins and Grohl as drummers, and that's where I'm curious as to how much input Grohl has on the drum parts nowadays. I think @Lurch probably nailed it, it was probably "more then, less now". I am guessing that Hawkins was all along able to compose something approaching what Grohl wanted and after 20 years, can just about do it in his sleep. And those two are (apparently) close enough that it was probably always a different story when/if Grohl wanted something changed. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45721]

40 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Sort of. I don't think they establish what Al is saying. Grohl still wanted Goldsmith to tour in support of the record and to stay in the band; it was Goldsmith who chose to quit. To me, the documentary did not establish that Goldsmith wasn't a good enough drummer (clearly Gil Norton thought so). Grohl's objection to what Goldsmith played on the record wasn't specifically "not competent", it was:

"There was the constant feeling that, whatever song you were playing, Dave had (the) drum part for it, already, in his head or whatever."-- Goldsmith

"When I've written a song... (pause)... I have kind of a clear idea of where the basic roots accents should lie. It's a fancy way of saying 'I know what the drums should sound like, in my head, as I'm doing this thing. That's not necessarily fair, to say that, (as you're) collaborating with other musicians." -- Grohl

"I think that William played the best that he could, and that sometimes it was great, and sometimes it wasn't. If I listen to a song, and I don't think it has the thing that it needs, it's not necessarily gonna get past me, and get on an album." -- Grohl

"The conversation I eventually had with William was, I really wanted him to stay in the band, and I really wanted him to be the drummer. But, I was gonna play drums on (The Colour and the Shape). It's a tough thing to talk about, because I know William will never forgive me for playing drums on that record, and I wish things were different. But, um... I felt like this was what I had to do in order to make this album happen." -- Grohl

So Grohl thought the album would be better, and I'm sure all the record company lizards thought it would sell better, with his drumming on it. Clearly true. There's a huge gap between Grohl and Goldsmith's talent, to the point Grohl wanted to write Goldsmith's parts. There's much less of a gap, if any, between Hawkins and Grohl as drummers, and that's where I'm curious as to how much input Grohl has on the drum parts nowadays. I think @Lurch probably nailed it, it was probably "more then, less now". I am guessing that Hawkins was all along able to compose something approaching what Grohl wanted and after 20 years, can just about do it in his sleep. And those two are (apparently) close enough that it was probably always a different story when/if Grohl wanted something changed. 

 

You are correct.  I was confusing it with the firing of the other guitarist.  Klaus?  Hans?  Some name like that.  Where they fired him over the phone.

[Handcruser 2805]

Above poster is probably right that grohls demands/input was probably “more then/less now”.

Taylor and Dave are so close that Taylor most likely is now in lock step with Dave’s thinking on drumming, and hearing the same things in his head as Dave hears in his. Add in that the collaboration musically for an album/songs begins incredibly early and you have this relationship where they both envision the same thing drum wise.

Outside of some rare circumstances, Taylor is pulling most of the weight on drums. That’s my take.


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[jimmyjazz 46114]

I can't imagine Goldsmith working out long term after Grohl recut his drum parts.  He might have lasted the tour, but there's almost no way he'd survive the next round in the studio.

It's almost an impossibly high bar to clear:  playing drums in a band led by one of the best few drummers in modern rock.  Good fucking luck.  Taylor Hawkins is a rare bird indeed.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

3 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

So Grohl thought the album would be better, and I'm sure all the record company lizards thought it would sell better, with his drumming on it. Clearly true. There's a huge gap between Grohl and Goldsmith's talent, to the point Grohl wanted to write Goldsmith's parts. There's much less of a gap, if any, between Hawkins and Grohl as drummers, and that's where I'm curious as to how much input Grohl has on the drum parts nowadays. I think @Lurch probably nailed it, it was probably "more then, less now". I am guessing that Hawkins was all along able to compose something approaching what Grohl wanted and after 20 years, can just about do it in his sleep. And those two are (apparently) close enough that it was probably always a different story when/if Grohl wanted something changed. 

 

Yeah, and on the Goldsmith thing, Pat Smear also said in the documentary (I'm paraphrasing): "Here you're in a band with the greatest rock 'n roll drummer in the world... who's just sitting there looking over your shoulder waiting for you to play it as perfectly as he can....that's just fucked-up pressure."

It was kind of fucked up and I thought it was pretty cool of Dave to have William on the documentary and to basically admit that he (Dave) handled the stuff with WIlliam poorly. 

And yeah I think it's a totally different vibe with Taylor. He's obviously a super talented drummer, but also he hit it off immediately with Dave and they basically became best friends which I'm sure helped with any "input" Dave may have had early on.

[oSuJeff97 3435]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

You are correct.  I was confusing it with the firing of the other guitarist.  Klaus?  Hans?  Some name like that.  Where they fired him over the phone.

Franz Stahl.

And yeah that was also kind of fucked up given that he and Dave were friends from his band (Scream) that Dave was in before joining Nirvana.

[Lurch 5931]

Killed it. 
 
 

Super minor detail, but god damn that top tom sounds awesome.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

19 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I can't imagine Goldsmith working out long term after Grohl recut his drum parts.  He might have lasted the tour, but there's almost no way he'd survive the next round in the studio.

I've tried to picture this a few times. Their third record was the one they recorded in Grohl's house in Virginia and the recording process was intentionally the opposite of The Colour and the Shape, where they worked with a total taskmaster producer. The pressure level was way different after Colour, too, since it was such a huge hit. They had a lot fewer eyes looking over their shoulder (or were better able to say "fuck off, let us do this in peace"). 

So that sounds like an environment where Goldsmith could have been comfortable and could have done his best work. Touring Colour and Shape would have given him what, 200 more gigs to learn to play the way Dave wanted, by playing another record of Dave's parts over and over again. 

But that's all best-case scenario. Who knows if the "Nothing Left to Lose" sessions would have been as peaceful, relaxed, etc, if Grohl had had to listen to Goldsmith's drumming again. I mean right prior to that they had just fired Stahl because the chemistry wasn't there and he couldn't contribute anything to their writing. It's also likely that Grohl's comfort that the band was gonna make it wasn't just "we sold a million records on our follow-up" but also "I can now concentrate on and enjoy what I'm doing without thinking about/worrying over a subpar drummer" once Hawkins was onboard, so take that variable out and maybe the third record's sessions would have been tense even without Gil Norton. 

I think keeping Goldsmith through the Colour tour would have just prolonged the inevitable and he'd have quit or gotten fired during the next session. I think he's like Jeff Cease in the Black Crowes, a totally competent and professional musician who couldn't do enough at the next level to keep up with what the band needed. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by SwanderedTalent

[oSuJeff97 3435]

4 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

I've tried to picture this a few times. Their third record was the one they recorded in Grohl's house in Virginia and the recording process was intentionally the opposite of The Colour and the Shape, where they worked with a total taskmaster producer. The pressure level was way different after Colour, too, since it was such a huge hit. They had a lot fewer eyes looking over their shoulder (or were better able to say "fuck off, let us do this in peace"). 

So that sounds like an environment where Goldsmith could have been comfortable and could have done his best work. Touring Colour and Shape would have given him what, 200 more gigs to learn to play the way Dave wanted, by playing another record of Dave's parts over and over again. 

But that's all best-case scenario. Who knows if the "Nothing Left to Lose" sessions would have been as peaceful, relaxed, etc, if Grohl had had to listen to Goldsmith's drumming again. I mean right prior to that they had just fired Stahl because the chemistry wasn't there and he couldn't contribute anything to their writing. It's also likely that Grohl's comfort that the band was gonna make it wasn't just "we sold a million records on our follow-up" but also "I can now concentrate on and enjoy what I'm doing without thinking about/worrying over a subpar drummer" once Hawkins was onboard, so take that variable out and maybe the third record's sessions would have been tense even without Gil Norton. 

I think keeping Goldsmith through the Colour tour would have just prolonged the inevitable and he'd have quit or gotten fired during the next session. I think he's like Jeff Cease in the Black Crowes, a totally competent and professional musician who couldn't do enough at the next level to keep up with what the band needed. 

Yeah agreed. I think Goldsmith was definitely *technically* more suited for the songs on There's Nothing Left to Lose (still my favorite Foo album, FWIW), but I think a big part of the reason that record sounds like it does is the completely laid back vibe of just having Dave, Nate and Taylor (who obviously totally click with each other) holed up at Dave's place in Virginia just recording songs and cooking BBQ, lol.

I did like in the documentary how Taylor tried to convince Dave to keep Foo Fighters as a 3-piece band after that ("like The Police!"), but Dave wasn't having it because of the need to be super loud, lol.