Classical Music Thread

[Hate 20108]

There was a great thread at TOS for classical music posts that was a terrific source for classical music.  I'll start by posting my favorite symphony: Symphony No. 94 in G Major by Joseph Hayden.  It is commonly referred to as the "Surprise Symphony".  It was written in 1791 and first performed March 23, 1792 at Hanover Square Rooms in London.  This is what Hayden said about the symphony:

Haydn's music contains many jokes, and the Surprise Symphony includes probably the most famous of all: a sudden fortissimo chord at the end of the otherwise piano opening theme in the variation-form second movement. The music then returns to its original quiet dynamic as if nothing has happened, and the ensuing variations do not repeat the joke. In German, the work is referred to as the Symphony mit dem Paukenschlag, or, with the kettledrum stroke.

In Haydn's old age, his biographer George August Griesinger asked him whether he wrote this "surprise" to awaken the audience. Haydn replied:

No, but I was interested in surprising the public with something new, and in making a brilliant debut, so that my student Pleyel, who was at that time engaged by an orchestra in London (in 1792) and whose concerts had opened a week before mine, should not outdo me. The first Allegro of my symphony had already met with countless Bravos, but the enthusiasm reached its highest peak at the Andante with the Drum Stroke. Encore! Encore! sounded in every throat, and Pleyel himself complimented me on my idea.^[1]

 

 

I can only imagine how wonderful it must have been to be at the "premier" and to hear the "surprise" for the first time. 

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Fucking glorious.

 

[Hate 20108]

Well it sucks that nobody on Surly is refined enough to listen to some classical music, but here I am drunk on my porch still listening to Hayden’s Surprise Symphony. I don’t really care if I’m the only one in the world listening to it or not, but goddamn it’s beautiful!

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From the old place. Might jog some memories to post things over here.

http://www.shaggytexas.com/board/showthread.php/142591-Rank-Beethoven-s-Symphonies

http://www.shaggytexas.com/board/showthread.php/136232-The-Cello-Pron-Thread

I remember a classical music thread. Can't find it.

 

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Wife and I are headed to the Hollywood Bowl in a bit to see the Budapest Festival Orchestra perform Mozart's Requiem (the one he wrote while slowly dying and never finished.  And he never really dictated it to Salieri, but it made for a good story).  We have my boss' box, and will have a nice meal and wine then the concert.  Summer classical at the bowl is always legit.  LA Phil is vastly superior than this Budapest outfit, but it should be nice.  I could use some culturing anyway.

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And some wind band: 

 

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[Hate 20108]

Here is one I have been listening to lately.

 

[Hate 20108]

And here is another one.

 

[Ths71 472]

Here is one I have been listening to lately.
 

Love that piece. I have a CD of the Academy of Ancient Music /Christopher Hogwood played on period instruments. Excellent recording.


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[Continental Op 3934]

Do film scores count?  Bernard Herrmann was damn good at those:

 

And, of course Psycho, which was ripped off by 80s horror flick Reanimator:

 

[Sam Lin 3559]

This thread needs more love.

I now travel too much to make any commitment, but I used to buy 2 or 3 symphony season tickets every year. Having the extra ticket forced me to find someone to invite - sometimes it would be someone far more educated about the music than me, other times it would be introducing classical to someone new. Both were hugely rewarding. I always enjoyed the pieces in the schedule that I <didn't> recognize, or thought would be "meh" - forcing myself into the full season opened my horizons past what I'd typically listen to. Getting to see various guest conductors during a season was great; I always listened a lot but often couldn't really get a grasp on the differences a conductor makes; seeing it visually really helped me there.

Saw Rudolf Buchbinder years ago, still the most effortless, powerful sound I've seen to date from a piano.

Now I try to find small concerts, recitals, chamber music, in whatever city I happen to be in. While the level of talent varies widely, a decent performance of most classical music is still an enjoyable live experience. Most schools have regular recital schedules and are free or very cheap to attend. I'm not a regular churchgoer, but I've also gone to church to hear the organ many times. I also find the podcast of Performance Today an excellent and enjoyable listen for learning about music and learning new pieces, and hearing fresh takes on old classics. (If my memory is correct, the Satie Gymnopedies mentioned above got the strongest user feedback to Performance Today in their history.)

 

My favorite single format is chamber music. To me, it distills classical down to the core - where in a symphony you can have a few players not be perfect and never notice, in a quartet or trio there's nowhere to hide. The players need to be in perfect sync and constant communication with each other. Each player is the only one playing that part; a mistake is owned by one person. There was a fantastic article years with video graphics showing the communication in a Kronos Quartet performance:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/22/arts/music/kronos-quartet.html

Another group I like is the Danish Natl Chamber Orchestra, for playing pieces that were not part of any repertoire (mining ancient folk music, for example), and for their tongue in cheek humor, vs the staid traditions of a traditional classical performance. Here they eat ghost peppers and try to play:

https://www.foodrepublic.com/2014/11/07/symphony-eats-ghost-chilis-attempts-to-play-instruments/

 

Tangent from that comment on "traditions of a traditional classical performance" - I welcome the trend in live performance now to allow or encourage clapping anytime. The traditions of live classical can be stifling, and at the least, intimidating, to a newcomer, and in this day and age, classical cannot afford to NOT be as welcoming as possible to a newcomer. Witness the number of high profile symphonies that have gone bankrupt in recent years. My local symphony has children's concerts where parents are encouraged to bring young children and random noise outbursts and crying are expected. I remember my parents bringing me to performances when I was very small, and it was a very intimidating experience, the suits, the quiet, needing to be on absolute best behavior. Not the best way to encourage young, new fans of the genre. It's a constant debate:

https://www.apnews.com/9cc22bdea9214ca68e233c956139e0ae

 

My guilty pleasure? Pachelbel's Canon. It's what kept me playing flute for years, I got yelled at by my instructors for not giving a shit about practicing other pieces, but I'd play any variation on Canon. Many moons ago, I manually dubbed a cassette tape to repeat it endlessly on both A and B sides just so I could leave my tape player playing nonstop. CDs solved that problem with Repeat1. When I was buying season tickets and the sales people would ask me for feedback, I would request it in the symphony repertoire. I'm sure everyone from the salesperson up to the conductor rolled their eyes and groaned (if the suggestion even made it that far - I wouldn't be surprised or offended if the salesperson just threw that suggestion in the trash). My ears always perk up when I hear it and I stop and listen, whether in shopping centers, random weddings, or background music in a lobby (and notably in the background of a porno scene).

Recently, I've spent some time listening to video game soundtracks for mega-budget RPGs, they're the closest thing to modern "classical" music composition I can find (besides the obvious movie soundtracks). The Final Fantasy, Witcher, Skyrim all have great soundtracks.

 

This may put me in old-fashioned or conservative music or "get off my lawn" territory (and I'm aware the preference for old, traditional music is opposite to my preference above about disliking some of the traditions around a classical performance), but I find a lot of "modern classical" to be unenjoyable to listen to. Items like John Cage 4'33 are brilliant art, but are shitty music, and I'm ultimately a classical fan for the music. I have to be in a distinct frame of mind to listen to Arvo Part and enjoy it; likewise with Philip Glass. Doesn't mean I don't feel they're brilliant artists, it's just not what I'm looking for in a musical performance.

Tangent: (I'm similarly "get off my lawn" when it comes to modern gastronomy - I've eaten a bunch of well regarded modern and molecular gastronomy, and while I appreciate the art and artistry, it isn't what I think of as "food.")

 

Bucket list? I'd love to attend one of the big classical music festivals in Prague. No tangible reason for it vs any of the big festivals in Europe, other than I sat next to a couple during one of the abovementioned season ticket performances who raved about experiencing classical in Prague every year.

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23 hours ago, Continental Op said:

Do film scores count?  Bernard Herrmann was damn good at those:

And, of course Psycho, which was ripped off by 80s horror flick Reanimator:

 

Absolutely film scores count.  I particularly love the Shawshank Redemption soundtrack.

 

[Sam Lin 3559]

ClassicFM shared this, I was amused. Wiener Cello Ensemble plays Ravel's Bolero. Together. All on one cello.

They do other pieces also if you browse their channel.

 

 

[Hate 20108]

To hell with everyone else,,. I'm listening to Hayden tonoght

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[Jackson P. Neighbors 136]

I’ll start contributing to this thread more soon, as I’m really pleased to know there are people out there that are getting drunk and listening to Hayden!

Although it will hurt my odds of winning, I’ll share that registration for the 2022/23 Vienna Philharmonic New Years concerts is open until the end of February. Info: demand is so high for these concerts that for a long time now they have conducted a drawing to select who is able to buy tickets. I’ve done this for many many years and if I’m ever selected, the family knows we are booking a European Christmas vacation that will make Clark G blush.

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Also, they always close the concerts with the Radetzky March and YouTube has many years of it for your viewing please. I’m posting from my phone otherwise I’d figure out how to link some of my favorites. 2014 comes to mind. Barenboim is a stud.

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On 3/22/2021 at 4:56 AM, Sam Lin said:

ClassicFM shared this, I was amused. Wiener Cello Ensemble plays Ravel's Bolero. Together. All on one cello.

They do other pieces also if you browse their channel.

 

 

Uh...heh heh heh...you said wiener.

But seriously, don't know if this should be cross posted on the Rick Beato thread, but I found this interesting:

 

[davidg 4038]

I watched Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 with my kids a thousand times when they were young.  This version of Rhapsody in Blue popped up in my feed a few days ago and I watched and became enamored with Khatia Buniatishvili.    Those hands and that hair.    The second piece for almost 2 minutes starting at 7:45.  Gotdamn!

 

 

 

[Hefeweizen 5322]

In.  First off, it’s Haydn.  No E.  Yes, 94 is fantastic.

 My tastes are a little eclectic and I’m biased because my son is a decent cellist, but here’s a few of my favorites:

 

Du Pre’s recording of Elgar Cello Concerto.

 

Rostropovich recording of Dvorak Cello Concerto

 

And I never miss watching the Vienna philharmonic play Strauss.  The TV version has gotten kind of dumb for new years but it’s still fantastic watching the Radetzky March with everyone stomping their feet and clapping to it.

 I am a huge Wagner overture fan.  His operas are over long and get exhausting but his music for the overtures is first class.

Lastly, I really enjoy Bach in all forms but especially string ensemble.  He is possibly the most mathematical of the composers.

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The opening Prelude to Bach's English Suite no 3 in G minor. A great example of Glenn Gould's technical wizardry. He keeps a consistent detached portamento touch from beginning to end at very rapid tempo. It's a great listen.

 

 

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On 10/27/2022 at 8:34 AM, Hefeweizen said:

In.  First off, it’s Haydn.  No E.  Yes, 94 is fantastic.

 My tastes are a little eclectic and I’m biased because my son is a decent cellist, but here’s a few of my favorites:

 

Du Pre’s recording of Elgar Cello Concerto.

 

Rostropovich recording of Dvorak Cello Concerto

 

And I never miss watching the Vienna philharmonic play Strauss.  The TV version has gotten kind of dumb for new years but it’s still fantastic watching the Radetzky March with everyone stomping their feet and clapping to it.

 I am a huge Wagner overture fan.  His operas are over long and get exhausting but his music for the overtures is first class.

Lastly, I really enjoy Bach in all forms but especially string ensemble.  He is possibly the most mathematical of the composers.

I cook a fantastic steak and risotto when the New Years VP concert is aired and we sit down as a family and watch every minute of the PBS broadcast. It’s definitely cheesy in parts but overall quality family time and the kids kinda like being told that I guarantee they are the the only ones of their friends who are watching it.

Regarding your Bach/math comments, buy Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid. I am still tackling sections of it piecemeal after 10 years and I’m a pretty good pianist and my job is 99% math. It’s a super hour-long-at-a-time diversion.

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Regarding Gould, he was a fascinating classical music communicator. Here he is taking about Bach and Hindemith and then playing Hindemith with a former UT music professor:

Speaking of great communicators, if you have about six hours, the Bernstein Norton lectures are thought provoking. The musical/linguistic ideas he discusses turned out to be mostly nonsense at least taken as literally as he does, but it’s still worth the time to think about.

Lecture 1: 

 

[Sam Lin 3559]

On 9/19/2019 at 5:29 PM, Sam Lin said:

Recently, I've spent some time listening to video game soundtracks for mega-budget RPGs, they're the closest thing to modern "classical" music composition I can find (besides the obvious movie soundtracks). The Final Fantasy, Witcher, Skyrim all have great soundtracks.

Looping back to this, I got an ad a little while ago for Final Fantasy Distant Worlds, a world touring event that happens pretty much constantly, performing songs from the Final Fantasy game series. They came through Bangkok this past weekend, I definitely didn't miss my chance to go. As a huge fan of classical and a huge fan of Final Fantasy, it was amazing. So much fun, so many memories, and such an enjoyable experience, with the bonus of incredible audience energy as everyone was there for love of the games. If you have a shred of connection to the games, go to this. As a random classical fan, esp if you have kids you want to introduce to classical, go to this. It had paired visuals from the games to keep eyes occupied, and the music is much more diverse than most classical in terms of instruments, in terms of playing methods, in terms of mood and styles, due to it being pulled from 15 soundtracks vs a "piece." Extra guest treat at the performance: two of the composers were at the performance, and two of the vocal soloists were the original ones that sang the actual game soundtracks.

Direct link to the tour schedule page is here, I see they went through TX a few months back. The schedule page is constantly rolling, they add new dates all the time.

https://ffdistantworlds.com/concert/

Arnie Roth is a quite respected and decorated conductor in his own right, he is the conductor for these performances. And Yoko Shimomura might hold the most positions in most top10 video game soundtrack rankings.

 

For an idea of what it's like, watch this, this is a performance from 5yrs ago:

 

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I'm curious as to what the composition of the orchestra was for this.

[Sam Lin 3559]

The video probably answers you better than I can. The orchestra composition in the video looks quite similar to the performance I just attended, the layout is a bit different, probably more a function of venue than anything.

It's a smaller orchestra, esp on the strings, but with a very wide variety of instruments, esp on the percussion. Backed up by a choir for about half of the pieces (FF was the first game soundtrack to use choir.) The performance I attended was the Thailand Philharmonic and Philharmonic Chorus - I'm unclear how they do their tour, if they use local orchestras for each performance or if some people tour and travel with them. I know the special guests vary from performance to performance.

Photo from the final bows of the Bangkok performance: Choir in back, piano/harp on left. Two composers front left, two vocal soloists front right.

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Was reading a blog and, as a laymen/dolt/ignorant peon, I didn't know this:

If you can only name two classical composers, I’m guessing they’re Beethoven and Mozart. And for good reason.

In addition to being two of the most impactful musical geniuses in history, they have dramatic personal stories. Beethoven composed grandiose symphonies while gradually losing his hearing. Mozart was the consummate prodigy who stunned his father when he played violin at their home with professional musicians despite never having had a lesson. Drama!

But survey composers and the most important musician is neither of those two.

When BBC Music Magazine asked 174 world-class composers to rank composers using a composite of originality, impact, and craftsmanship, the preeminent maestro was clear: Johann Sebastian Bach. His “spirit dwells in practically every note written since his death,” the magazine staff wrote.

When the chief music critic of the New York Times ranked historical composers, the top spot went to: Bach. Classic FM: Bach. Big Think: Bach. As 20th Century composer Mauricio Kagel put it: “Not all musicians believe in God, but they all believe in Johann Sebastian Bach.”

What fragments of his life are known, though, aren’t as dramatic as the Beethoven and Mozart stories. Here’s a lot of it: he was very religious; he spent much of his career as the musical director at St. Thomas Church, in Leipzig, Germany; he had 20 children (7 with his first wife before she died), only half of whom survived into adulthood. And along the way he laid a foundation for the future of music, Beethoven and Mozart included.

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One final Bach tidbit: Bach has four pieces on the “Voyager Golden Record,” which was sent into space with the Voyager spacecraft in 1977. Beethoven has two, and no other musician has more than one. So if aliens find the record, Bach is our musical emissary.

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17 hours ago, HonkeyVape said:

Was reading a blog and, as a laymen/dolt/ignorant peon, I didn't know this:

If you can only name two classical composers, I’m guessing they’re Beethoven and Mozart. And for good reason.

In addition to being two of the most impactful musical geniuses in history, they have dramatic personal stories. Beethoven composed grandiose symphonies while gradually losing his hearing. Mozart was the consummate prodigy who stunned his father when he played violin at their home with professional musicians despite never having had a lesson. Drama!

But survey composers and the most important musician is neither of those two.

When BBC Music Magazine asked 174 world-class composers to rank composers using a composite of originality, impact, and craftsmanship, the preeminent maestro was clear: Johann Sebastian Bach. His “spirit dwells in practically every note written since his death,” the magazine staff wrote.

When the chief music critic of the New York Times ranked historical composers, the top spot went to: Bach. Classic FM: Bach. Big Think: Bach. As 20th Century composer Mauricio Kagel put it: “Not all musicians believe in God, but they all believe in Johann Sebastian Bach.”

What fragments of his life are known, though, aren’t as dramatic as the Beethoven and Mozart stories. Here’s a lot of it: he was very religious; he spent much of his career as the musical director at St. Thomas Church, in Leipzig, Germany; he had 20 children (7 with his first wife before she died), only half of whom survived into adulthood. And along the way he laid a foundation for the future of music, Beethoven and Mozart included.

This makes me happy.

I listen to Beethoven and Mozart often. I listen to Bach every day. 

Soli Deo Gloria

[Underdog 28644]

I understand she's a pretty good classical pianist... 

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

I bought a CD of this after public radio gave me a classical music boner delivering pizzas in the early 90s.

https://youtu.be/xoBE69wdSkQ

 

[Not that Bob 738]

I can't get the YouTube to open. Who is conductor/orchestra on  that William Tell? Fucking magnificent version. 

[jimmyjazz 45957]

Big news in the orchestral world:  the Chicago Symphony has named their next Music Director, and he's only 28 years old:

Klaus Makela to direct CSO

[Hefeweizen 5322]

Here is a recent re-discovery that I’ve been enjoying:  Purcell’s Music for theatre

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZKlYaJPLQw&list=OLAK5uy_nbsLMWr-cNlyrg5dvANG9WcZOBA4pKbKY&pp=8AUB

 

 

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