Mail bombs CR thread

[Washpark 176]

On 10/27/2018 at 10:25 AM, relapse98 said:

Its some sort of insult given by fans of thedonald. I really don't get it. Its the same people that regularly throw out cuck, beta, LOL, etc.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why is FB removing info from public view?  

Because Facebook gonna Facebook. 

I dunno, maybe it was deemed a violation of their TOS?

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Goredho 17394]

I know we’ve got synagogue shootings, Soyboys, Brisket death wishes and the like to occupy our attention, but the attempted assassination of Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton by the Trump-nut MAGAbomber really shouldn’t be a 2nd page news item yet.

[Captainant 27625]

9 hours ago, Goredho said:

I know we’ve got synagogue shootings, Soyboys, Brisket death wishes and the like to occupy our attention, but the attempted assassination of Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton by the Trump-nut MAGAbomber really shouldn’t be a 2nd page news item yet.

Hey man, both sides are shooting up synagogues and mailing bombs!

...

What's that? Im now hearing that it is NOT both sides committing atrocities and attempting assassinations on a regular basis. 

[wildcat09 29343]

51 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey man, both sides are shooting up synagogues and mailing bombs!

...

What's that? Im now hearing that it is NOT both sides committing atrocities and attempting assassinations on a regular basis. 

Yes, but the Dems haven't gone to great enough lengths to understand and engage with Republicans on matters that are important to them. Until the Dems allow people like Iconoclast to go murder at least half of the caravan, they'll never be able to talk them into not murdering the other half too.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

The big takeaway from the events of the past week is the fruits of the propaganda machines are now starting to ripen.

They’ve been slowing boiling these frogs for years and now folks are starting to snap.

Of course there was no way to prevent this and no one saw this coming. 

NOT

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

51 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The big takeaway from the events of the past week is the fruits of the propaganda machines are now starting to ripen.

They’ve been slowing boiling these frogs for years and now folks are starting to snap.

Of course there was no way to prevent this and no one saw this coming. 

NOT

I'm telling you every time I see that fucking mug in your profile pic, I have a visceral reaction in my stomach because I know exactly what I'm about to read in the post.  Mix it up a little.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

39 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I'm telling you every time I see that fucking mug in your profile pic, I have a visceral reaction in my stomach because I know exactly what I'm about to read in the post.  Mix it up a little.

Disgusting truths should not be suppressed just because they make us uncomfortable. If anything, they should be broadcast even more loudly when that is the case.

[retread 2951]

11 hours ago, Goredho said:

I know we’ve got synagogue shootings, Soyboys, Brisket death wishes and the like to occupy our attention, but the attempted assassination of Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton by the Trump-nut MAGAbomber really shouldn’t be a 2nd page news item yet.

Poor Khashoggi has fallen off the map. If the internet were  a newspaper, he'd be on page E14 next to Family Circus.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

God, Avenatti is such an attention whore.

Shut up and stick to your lane - porn stars and baby mommas.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Moron gets 20 years. 

[lemonlime 5503]

JFC.  There are (black) people who go to prison longer for smoking weed.  Meanwhile, he attempted to kill an ex-president, senators, Soros, and more I can't remember right now, and gets 20 years.  

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

JFC.  There are (black) people who go to prison longer for smoking weed.  Meanwhile, he attempted to kill an ex-president, senators, Soros, and more I can't remember right now, and gets 20 years.  

Mitigation by Nuremberg defense actually worked here.  “I was just following orders [from the President]”

[RomaVicta 29900]

If it's a federal 20 years, he'll do most of it. That sounds like a long time to me, certainly not lenient. None of the bombs went off, did they? I'm thinking he's getting the incompetence discount.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

If it's a federal 20 years, he'll do most of it. That sounds like a long time to me, certainly not lenient. None of the bombs went off, did they? I'm thinking he's getting the incompetence discount.

He attempted to murder 13 people. That's a very light sentence, not even two years per attempted victim. Being radicalized by Trump should not be a mitigating factor. 

The targets included leading critics of President Donald Trump such as former President Barack Obama, ex-Vice President Joe Biden, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, actor Robert De Niro and financier George Soros.

Sayoc’s other targets included CNN, former Attorney General Eric Holder, former CIA Director John Brennan, Senators Cory Booker, D-New Jersey, and Kamala Harris, D-California, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-California, former Director James Clapper and Tom Steyer, the billionaire now running for the Democratic presidential nomination with Booker and Harris.

 

[lemonlime 5503]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

If it's a federal 20 years, he'll do most of it. That sounds like a long time to me, certainly not lenient. None of the bombs went off, did they? I'm thinking he's getting the incompetence discount.

To be clear, I think the bigger problem is the long prison sentences we're giving for drug crimes, not that Sayoc's only getting 20 years.  But if he was a brown terrorist there is no way he would ever see daylight.  Sayoc sent bombs to two former presidents, three current candidates for president, the losing candidate for president in 2016, Robert De Niro, George Soros,, a former attorney general, former CIA director, former DNI,  other members of congress, and CNN.  He's getting the special treatment for white terrorists.

[RomaVicta 29900]

Fair enough.

[Pescado_Rojo 19413]

Sounds like he plead guilty and apologized (showed remorse). He's 57, so even with good time he'd be 75 before he would be out if he lives that long. I don't see the point of giving a guy like that a 100 year sentence. 

[lemonlime 5503]

So if a Muslim terrorist affiliated with ISIS sent bombs to 13 people including two ex presidents, an ex vice president, as well as multiple other ex-government and national security officials, you would be okay with that terrorist being released from prison?

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

So if a Muslim terrorist affiliated with ISIS sent bombs to 13 people including two ex presidents, an ex vice president, as well as multiple other ex-government and national security officials, you would be okay with that terrorist being released from prison?

no, but i do think those things are different.  a citizen is subject to criminal laws.  a military combatant is subject to laws of juris in bello.  you could unleash the 7th fleet on one and not the other.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

So if a Muslim terrorist affiliated with ISIS sent bombs to 13 people including two ex presidents, an ex vice president, as well as multiple other ex-government and national security officials, you would be okay with that terrorist being released from prison?

The unsuccessful shoe bomber got 3 x life plus 110 years.   The unsuccessful underwear bomber got 4 x life plus 50 years. 

And that was through the criminal justice system.

Edited August 5, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[wildcat09 29343]

Oh man, this thread was a fun walk down memory lane.  Whatever happened to tjhooker?

[lemonlime 5503]

10 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

no, but i do think those things are different.  a citizen is subject to criminal laws.  a military combatant is subject to laws of juris in bello.  you could unleash the 7th fleet on one and not the other.

Ok.  Someone who is brown, in the U.S., maybe here on a visa or a  citizen, radicalized by Isis, sent those bombs.  You think he gets a 20 year sentence?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

The unsuccessful Times Square bomber was an American citizen and got mandatory life.

[TexArcher 37761]

27 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I don't see the point of giving a guy like that a 100 year sentence. 

If you mean we should take him out back and shoot him, I agree.

[Pescado_Rojo 19413]

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Ok.  Someone who is brown, in the U.S., maybe here on a visa or a  citizen, radicalized by Isis, sent those bombs.  You think he gets a 20 year sentence?

I think he would get sentenced within the federal guidelines...just like this guy. Like it or not, the dude plead guilty and showed remorse...things that get taken into consideration in sentencing all the time. He's an admitted life long alcoholic, so he'll probably die in prison from shitty medical care anyway. Would running up the score with a 100 year sentence on a 57 year old man make you feel safer somehow? 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Ok.  Someone who is brown, in the U.S., maybe here on a visa or a  citizen, radicalized by Isis, sent those bombs.  You think he gets a 20 year sentence?

it seems sort of light.  i'm just not upset about it either way.   but it is a 20 year sentence of a dude almost at retirement age.  those aren't nothing.  

 

but again, there are differences. 'this guy was a moron' was actually part of their defense, 'he didn't have the ability to hurt anyone.'   that morphed into 'he actually knew how to build real bombs, but the fact that he didn't shows an intentional decision to not.'   presumably, the ISIS guy wouldn't have those factors.  

 

sentencing is hard.

[Bama Chick 28596]

no, but i do think those things are different.  a citizen is subject to criminal laws.  a military combatant is subject to laws of juris in bello.  you could unleash the 7th fleet on one and not the other.

He said a Muslim terrorist affiliated with ISIS - that person can absolutely be an American citizen.

And they would have gotten life.

[lemonlime 5503]

What I'm upset about is the continued treatment of white terrorists, radicalized by white nationalists, as somehow not terrorists.  Of which Sayoc's light sentencing is a perfect example.  Our criminal justice system and sentencing in general needs massive overhaul.   But that's separate and apart from the fact that our federal government, including the judiciary, acts like white terrorists, are just some sad, misguided individuals entitled to sympathy and every benefit of the doubt, but brown terrorists are evil incarnate.  And, for good measure, we should just be suspicious of all brown people.

[lemonlime 5503]

1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

 

He said a Muslim terrorist affiliated with ISIS - that person can absolutely be an American citizen.

And they would have gotten life.

 

She.  😄

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Moron gets 20 years. 

Did you see this guy?  He’s a man that might actually have a promising future in prison.

[WhatTheBuck 28775]

3 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think he would get sentenced within the federal guidelines...just like this guy. Like it or not, the dude plead guilty and showed remorse...things that get taken into consideration in sentencing all the time. He's an admitted life long alcoholic, so he'll probably die in prison from shitty medical care anyway. Would running up the score with a 100 year sentence on a 57 year old man make you feel safer somehow? 

Hmmm...would it make me feel safer if justice were meted out equally and fairly and proportionally in this country? Hmmm...

You know what? I think it would. 

[SquishMitten 10403]

I think he would get sentenced within the federal guidelines...just like this guy. Like it or not, the dude plead guilty and showed remorse...things that get taken into consideration in sentencing all the time. He's an admitted life long alcoholic, so he'll probably die in prison from shitty medical care anyway. Would running up the score with a 100 year sentence on a 57 year old man make you feel safer somehow? 

Ask me again in 20 years

[Bookman 4638]

Remember that Fox News speculated the bombs were probably fake.

[Lurch 5922]

Remember that Fox News speculated the bombs were probably fake.

I haven’t been keeping up, but weren’t they?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

2 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

I haven’t been keeping up, but weren’t they?

 

They were inoperable because of design flaws, but capable of exploding:

"Each device consisted of plastic pipe with a digital alarm clock and attached wires. An F.B.I. explosives expert, Kevin D. Finnerty, testified at the sentencing the devices would not have functioned as designed, but were capable of exploding if mishandled."

The judge bought the defense's argument that the design flaws were intentional and intended to scare rather than kill.   Who knows what that nutcase really thought he was doing. 

[Bookman 4638]

Why would fake bombs be capable of exploding?

[Brisketexan 105057]

Why would fake bombs be capable of exploding?

All it means is that the trigger mechanism didn’t work - the explosive itself was there, and capable of being triggered.
Kind of like how your gas can isn’t a bomb, but is capable of exploding.

[Bookman 4638]

I’d call that a defective bomb, not a fake bomb.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

This guy’s defense in the sentencing:

he was just watching Fox News and listening to the president.  

Not kidding. 

Someone in El Paso needs to sue the fuck out of Fox News.   

[bolverk 29652]

1 minute ago, Bookman said:

I’d call that a defective bomb, not a fake bomb.

Which by no means discounts the intent.

[Biff Tannen 45664]

3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Which by no means discounts the intent.

This.  If I fire a bunch of rounds at someone and miss because I'm a shitty shot, doesn't mean I get a more lenient sentence.