The Mail Bomb Poll Thread

[Bama Chick 28596]

That’s a lot of words that don’t address my question at all.

Stick to donuts.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

33 minutes ago, MixtyMotions said:

Fair question.  There's a good answer.

There are different categories of crimes.  The categories have nothing to do with the race or ethnicity of the criminal.

There's the kind of crime that is perpetrated by somebody:

1. mentally ill or fucked in the head- an ax murder, a pedoplhile, a mass shooting, killing their kids

2. with no moral compass - a mob hitman, a drug lord, a dictator - a sophisticated, premeditated crime usually for profit

3. stupid or on drugs - something like a robbery for twenty bucks - it makes no sense

4. a soldier in a cause - a war crime - it can be a Muslim terrorist, a US soldier pissed off in Vietnam or a Nazi following orders

 

I'm sure there are more if I thought about it.

Compromised 

Revenge

Ideology

Money

Ego

 

Almost all acts of terrorism/treason/crime boil down to some combination of those five.

[Goredho 17397]

 

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Compromised 

Revenge

Ideology

Money

Ego

  

 Almost all acts of terrorism/treason/crime boil down to some combination of those five.

 The 5 deadly sins?

[MixtyMotions 102]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Compromised 

Revenge

Ideology

Money

Ego

 

Almost all acts of terrorism/treason/crime boil down to some combination of those five.

The point, which flew right over the head of a certain poster, is that you don't have to know anything about the race, gender or national origin of the defendant or the victim to figure out whether it was committed by somebody who is mentally ill, or whether they were some other category.  Ax murderers are probably mentally ill.  Ponzi scheme managers are probably not.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I wasn’t asking the question you answered, numnuts.

Again- why does no one ever jump to discuss the mental status of Muslim bombers/shooters/drivers who crash into people? Yet we ALWAYS have it brought up when a white guy shoots up a school/mails a bunch of bombs/choose a method of mass murder?

I’m not asking WHY criminals/terrorists/murderers do the things they do or whether they are actually mentally ill.

I’m asking why certain people look for REASONS when it’s a terrorist that looks like them.

Hopefully that didn’t fly over your head this time.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

why does no one ever jump to discuss the mental status of Muslim bombers/shooters/drivers who crash into people? Yet we ALWAYS have it brought up when a white guy shoots up a school/mails a bunch of bombs/choose a method of mass murder?

Because people are really uncomfortable with the idea that crazy white boy is NO DIFFERENT from radical Islamic terrorist.

Vanilla ISIS is alive and well in the U.S.

However, no one wants to frame it that way.

[RPM 26318]

18 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Vanilla ISIS is alive and well in the U.S.

[MixtyMotions 102]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

I wasn’t asking the question you answered, numnuts.

Again- why does no one ever jump to discuss the mental status of Muslim bombers/shooters/drivers who crash into people? Yet we ALWAYS have it brought up when a white guy shoots up a school/mails a bunch of bombs/choose a method of mass murder?

I’m not asking WHY criminals/terrorists/murderers do the things they do or whether they are actually mentally ill.

I’m asking why certain people look for REASONS when it’s a terrorist that looks like them.

Hopefully that didn’t fly over your head this time.

Oh, I answered your question.  You just aren't smart enough to get it.  It's the crime that counts, not the perpetrator.

 

If the crime is the kind done by somebody who is mentally ill, like ax murdering or shooting up a school people speculate that the criminal is mentally ill.  If the crime is done by somebody who is probably not mentally ill, like conducting a Ponzi scheme, engaging in corporate espionage or being a soldier in an assymetric war, then people don't speculate that the criminal is mentally ill.

You asked a leading question with an erroneous assumption. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol

Uncomfortable white guy can’t even answer the question.

Shocker.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, ernest_t_bass said:

Why isn't "A set up from the left and blame it on the right" an option?

I thought that was Option A.  

 

"False Flag"

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol

Uncomfortable white guy can’t even answer the question.

Shocker.

Those of us who don't care for the excuses, regardless of race/religious background/ whatever; catch a lot of flack for not embracing the excuses for crimes against humanity.

 

Which way does your playbook say i should feel?

Edited October 26, 2018 by slorch

[Turkleton 145]

5 minutes ago, slorch said:

Those of us who don't care for the excuses, regardless of race/religious background/ whatever; catch a lot of flack for not embracing the excuses for crimes against humanity.

 

Which way does your playbook say i should feel?

Something tells me white privilege will be brought up. Just a hunch.

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[gmr548 16576]

let's see. none of these devices are exploding. they are all going to a certain political demographic. who would want everyone to think that one side is sending bombs to the other side without actually hurting that other side? pretty obvious.

Probably because the kind of alt right loser that does this isn't smart enough to build the bomb correctly.

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[Longhorn_Fan68 33867]

it's kinda amazing he didn't blow himself.

also, based on the photos I've seen he delivered pizzas - in that fucking van - to help pay for his terrorist activities. lulz. what a fucking loser.

Edited October 26, 2018 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

it's kinda amazing he didn't blow himself.

also, based on the photos I've seen he delivered pizzas - in that fucking van - to help pay for his terrorist activities. lulz. what a fucking loser.

The sad part is that guy is a victim too.  Yeah, he’s the evil doer and should be held accountable for his own actions but let’s not overlook how his mental illness and vulnerabilities were exploited and enabled by propaganda and hate speech.  

Those bad actors will just keep on keeping on to their other weak minded targets as they paint this guy as the real face of evil. 

When in reality he’s very sick and would probably be almost normal in a better environment/society where he could have latched on to a better purpose instead of MAGA!!1!.

[jettrink 40]

Where is all my massive rep for being correct at the outset?  

[scottsins 1966]

22 hours ago, MixtyMotions said:

Oh, I answered your question.  You just aren't smart enough to get it.  It's the crime that counts, not the perpetrator.

 

If the crime is the kind done by somebody who is mentally ill, like ax murdering or shooting up a school people speculate that the criminal is mentally ill.  If the crime is done by somebody who is probably not mentally ill, like conducting a Ponzi scheme, engaging in corporate espionage or being a soldier in an assymetric war, then people don't speculate that the criminal is mentally ill.

You asked a leading question with an erroneous assumption. 

Where would you place the softball practice shooting in your matrix?

[RPM 26318]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The sad part is that guy is a victim too.  Yeah, he’s the evil doer and should be held accountable for his own actions but let’s not overlook how his mental illness and vulnerabilities were exploited and enabled by propaganda and hate speech.  

Those bad actors will just keep on keeping on to their other weak minded targets as they paint this guy as the real face of evil. 

When in reality he’s very sick and would probably be almost normal in a better environment/society where he could have latched on to a better purpose instead of MAGA!!1!.

There are many more like him on many different levels. He was just the first, lets hope he wasn't the crack in the dam holding them back. Our blind eye to mental health care has come back to bite us in the ass.

[hayden_horn 11362]

On 10/26/2018 at 12:13 AM, MixtyMotions said:

Fair question.  There's a good answer.

There are different categories of crimes.  The categories have nothing to do with the race or ethnicity of the criminal.

There's the kind of crime that is perpetrated by somebody:

1. mentally ill or fucked in the head- an ax murder, a pedoplhile, a mass shooting, killing their kids

2. with no moral compass - a mob hitman, a drug lord, a dictator - a sophisticated, premeditated crime usually for profit

3. stupid or on drugs - something like a robbery for twenty bucks - it makes no sense

4. a soldier in a cause - a war crime - it can be a Muslim terrorist, a US soldier pissed off in Vietnam or a Nazi following orders

 

I'm sure there are more if I thought about it.

This guy thought he was a soldier for a cause, dude. Of course he is a nutter. So are the Muslim jihadists. If this guy was a Muslim sending bombs to Republicans in and out of power you would change your tone tout fucking suite. 

Own it, dude. 

[HenryJames 66038]

On 10/25/2018 at 3:44 PM, po elvis said:

let's see. none of these devices are exploding. they are all going to a certain political demographic. who would want everyone to think that one side is sending bombs to the other side without actually hurting that other side? pretty obvious.

[MixtyMotions 102]

14 hours ago, scottsins said:

Where would you place the softball practice shooting in your matrix?

I assume you're referring to the Congressional baseball practice.  If nor I don't remember what it is.

I assumed, as I did with this incident, that it was a nut.  There are various kinds of nuts but that's above my pay grade.

[MixtyMotions 102]

5 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

This guy thought he was a soldier for a cause, dude. Of course he is a nutter. So are the Muslim jihadists. If this guy was a Muslim sending bombs to Republicans in and out of power you would change your tone tout fucking suite. 

Own it, dude. 

I thought the guy who shot up the military base was a nut, not a terrorist.  I thought the 9/11 hijackers were soldiers in a war.  Timothy McVeigh was a soldier in a war.  The guys in that ranch thing in the west were soldiers in a war.

 

Of course the "soldiers" are a little nutty.  But I have an idea of what I consider is a little nutty and mentally ill.  One I'd put in jail,, and the other a nuthouse.

[MixtyMotions 102]

scottsins,

 

I was under the impression that you are a professional in this field.  How does the law treat this?  Surely, they, like I, don't base the rules on whether you're a Muslim.  Surely the law has rules on what is a hutcase and what is a soldier in a cause.

[scottsins 1966]

On 10/27/2018 at 10:28 AM, MixtyMotions said:

scottsins,

 

I was under the impression that you are a professional in this field.  How does the law treat this?  Surely, they, like I, don't base the rules on whether you're a Muslim.  Surely the law has rules on what is a hutcase and what is a soldier in a cause.

 Correct.

[hayden_horn 11362]

On 10/27/2018 at 10:00 AM, MixtyMotions said:

I thought the guy who shot up the military base was a nut, not a terrorist.  I thought the 9/11 hijackers were soldiers in a war.  Timothy McVeigh was a soldier in a war.  The guys in that ranch thing in the west were soldiers in a war.

 

Of course the "soldiers" are a little nutty.  But I have an idea of what I consider is a little nutty and mentally ill.  One I'd put in jail,, and the other a nuthouse.

That's what I fucking said dude. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Remember LAST WEEK when a mail bomber tried to ASSASSINATE a dozen political and society leaders including the previous President?!!?   

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/tech/cesar-sayoc-twitter/index.html

New York (CNN)Cesar Sayoc's social media accounts read like a blueprint for the radicalization of an alleged domestic terrorist.

A CNN KFile analysis of thousands of tweets sent from Sayoc's accounts found the 56-year-old shared conspiracy theories, false news articles, and graphic memes for years. Some of his tweets appeared to be directly parroting President Trump.

He tweeted about a wide array of baseless conspiracy theories, including "Pizzagate;" "chemtrails;" birtherism, and a number of posts regarding billionaire and liberal philanthropist George Soros.

Sayoc occasionally seemed to copy the president's rhetoric. In February 2017, three days after the first time President Trump called the news media the "enemy of the people," Sayoc, in a tweet directed at Fox News' Chris Wallace wrote, "The Press is enemy."

In April 2018, six months before he allegedly sent mail bombs to Soros, prominent Democrats and the offices of CNN, Sayoc moved from just tweeting about conspiracy theories to regularly threatening people.

In all, CNN's analysis found, Sayoc tweeted more than 240 threats directed to at least 50 public officials, news organizations and media personalities.

The threats, and Twitter's apparent inaction regarding them, raise new questions regarding social media and radicalization. Social media platforms like Twitter are "radicalization machines," Jonathon Morgan, the CEO of New Knowledge, told CNN. Morgan's company tracks online disinformation, and he has studied online radicalization for years.

In this instance, Twitter may well have provided Sayoc with the material that radicalized him, and then it stood idly by as that radicalization led to hundreds of threats.

"Your Time is coming," "Your days are over," "your (sic) next," and "Hug your loved ones real close everytime U leave your home," were some of Sayoc's refrains. Sometimes he attached photos to his threats, including pictures of decapitated goats, photos of the homes and families of those he was threatening and a tarot card of a skeleton on horseback over the caption "death." He frequently suggested that the people he was tweeting at would vanish in the Everglades, not far from where he lived in Florida.

Sayoc would repeatedly tweet about the subjects of his threats often sending the same threat a dozen times in a row. He tweeted 50 times about Parkland shooting survivors in 2018, including spreading the false conspiracy theories that shooting survivor David Hogg was a crisis actor working with Soros and that he wasn't in school at the time of the shooting, and also tweeted digitally altered pictures of Hogg in a Nazi uniform. Sayoc sent at least four threats to at Hogg.

In May he tweeted pictures of Soros' home and with the address typed over the photo nine times in a row. The following month he posted pictures of Rep. Maxine Waters' home and wrote, "See you soon." Both were eventually mailed suspicious packages allegedly tied to Sayoc.

That same month on May 18th, in response to a tweet from parody site The Onion, he tweeted a threat saying every media building needed to be set on fire. "More flipped garbage bye liberal left media everyone of their building needs to be eliminated torched.." Sayoc preceded to tweet four threats at the satirical outlet.

By August Sayoc was tweeting a threat every day or two, usually tweeting several threats in a row at his targets. His threats got even darker.

On September 22, 2018 he tweeted a photo at Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of her home along with photos of her family. "A Promise we will see you real soon. Hug loved one everytime you leave your home." Sayoc tweeted. He proceeded to tweet six more threats at Warren.

Numerous targets of threats from Sayoc on Twitter said they either didn't see the threats or that they get so many threats on Twitter they no longer report them.

Comedian Kathy Griffin, who was threatened by Sayoc, told CNN she didn't even see his tweets because she gets so many threats online. She said she had been visited by the FBI in California this week and that they told her Sayoc "was trying to find a way to get to me."

CNN anchor Don Lemon and CNN contributor Ana Navarro both said that Twitter is so bad with dealing with reports of threats made against them, that they rarely report it.

One person who Sayoc threatened, political analyst Rochelle Ritchie, did report it. Twitter apologized last week after Ritchie disclosed that Twitter took no measures against Sayoc after she reported the threat.

The company told CNN on Tuesday that it only received two user reports about Sayoc's account before he was identified as the suspect.

In a lengthy statement, a Twitter spokesperson told CNN on Tuesday, "The account in question was permanently suspended from Twitter, and our teams are actively engaged with law enforcement to support their investigation. Let us be clear: violent threats, targeted abuse, and hateful conduct are against our rules. This type of content does not enable or empower speech and has no place on our service. We are moving forward in two ways: 1) significantly improving our appeals process to address errors in our enforcement decisions and 2) using new technology to detect abusive content without requiring someone to report it first. We know we have to take more of the burden off the shoulders of victims of harassment and threats. We must do better and we will do better. As our CEO, Jack Dorsey, stated in front of Congress last month, serving healthy public conversations is our singular mission as a company and overrides all other considerations."

Benjamin T. Decker, a research fellow at the Shorenstein Center at the Harvard Kennedy School, told CNN that Sayoc's Twitter account showed clearly that the company can't appropriately moderate its own platform.

Decker, who has studied both foreign and domestic extremist groups, said platforms need to start working together more closely to identify users sharing hate across their sites. But he warned that kicking a user off one network, sometimes called "deplatforming," often means that they will go to more fringe forums, where there is far less content to counter many of the false conspiracy claims that people being radicalized are likely to see.

Morgan, the New Knowledge CEO, said the mainstream platforms make it too easy for people to become immersed in "some fringe online community without access to any other points of view."

"It is one thing to see this radical content as part of your wider information diet, but if it is all you see you begin to believe it is the norm," he said.

Morgan said that while the vast majority of people consuming conspiratorial, extremist content online will never commit a violent act, for those prone to violence it could inspire them to act.

[HenryJames 66038]

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[tantric superman 4667]

You false flag voters look like assholes.

Better luck next poll.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33867]

42 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You false flag voters look like assholes.

Better luck next poll.

have you looked at the list? I could have guessed 90% of them based on their posting history alone

[tantric superman 4667]

To be honest, I just thought the idea of this kind of poll so soon after the event was just a horrible, gross idea.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

8 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

To be honest, I just thought the idea of this kind of poll so soon after the event was just a horrible, gross idea.

Me too.  I didn’t answer until today and that was just to see who voted “false flag”

I think the OP may have been certain it was a false flag and wanted to boom the people jumping to the conclusion of right wing extremist.

Just another example of the inability some people to make reasonable conclusions.