CR Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting

[GSU&UT 1798]

Going to make this now after I saw this tweet. I'm sure all the George Soros Jews controlling the media narrative and the rise in neo-nazism/white-nationalism didn't have an effect at all.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

12 people shot (three officers), numerous fatalities...8 dead.

Shooter armed with AR style firearm and multiple handguns 

Per reporter via LE preliminary report

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

Is it too much to hope that we won't view this through a political lens unless the facts merit it?  

Edited October 27, 2018 by Degenerate Gardner

[GSU&UT 1798]

Of fucking course he used an assault rifle, fuck this country ugh.

[Rip76 4947]

White 

[GSU&UT 1798]

Just now, Degenerate Gardner said:

Is it to much to hope that we won't view this through a political lens unless the facts merit it?  

Well we can have a debate about the shooters possible political-type of motive, or we can have a gun control debate again.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Degenerate Gardner said:

Is it to much to hope that we won't view this through a political lens unless the facts merit it?  

Pretty sure the facts already warrant a political discussion 

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

Actually I agree with you.  It's my bad for visiting this thread in the Politics forum.  I just wish that it didn't exist.

[RomaVicta 29966]

I'm not sure what to make of the political frame in the op.

I don't know nearly enough to have an opinion on why this happened.

The increase in mass shootings should be telling us something, but I don't think we're getting whatever the message is. We jump to quickly to political spin and focusing only on gun control. My guess is that the increase in mass shootings is more complex.

I'm reminded of the movie Brazil where terroristic acts are so common that people barely raise an eyebrow.

[GSU&UT 1798]

I mean neg me if you want because it's just too soon to discuss this in terms of politics, but this wasn't an unknown place for me. I spent a summer at CMU right next to the Squirrel Hill neighborhood and didn't know until I went up there how big of a Jewish population there is next to the university. I'm sure on Shaggy if this was a brown person screaming anti-american/white rhetoric as he killed 8 people that someone would have instantly made a thread.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm not sure what to make of the political frame in the op.

I don't know nearly enough to have an opinion on why this happened.

The increase in mass shootings should be telling us something, but I don't think we're getting whatever the message is. We jump to quickly to political spin and focusing only on gun control. My guess is that the increase in mass shootings is more complex.

I'm reminded of the movie Brazil where terroristic acts are so common that people barely raise an eyebrow.

It’s not a shooter/gun/bomber problem.

It’s a radicalization problem.

Vanilla ISIS.

[bad_teammate 13223]

8 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Actually I agree with you.  It's my bad for visiting this thread in the Politics forum.  I just wish that it didn't exist.

I also hate it when my horrible and shitty politics face any challenge at all. lol fuck off

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

It's not that discussing the shooting's politics is wrong, though it's possibly premature.

It's that I do not want slews of terroristic events to truly have clear political undertones.  Maybe "denial" is the word for it.  When we live in an America where this happens and our President can't resist stoking division, I don't know what comes next.

[Message Board User 12395]

And if you don't think that Trump and Trumpism is playing a large part in Vanilla ISIS...well, we live in two different realities.

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

I also hate it when my horrible and shitty politics face any challenge at all. lol fuck off

Dude, the hostility is not becoming.  

[Ragnarok 103]

13 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

White 

white man with a beard.  probably a baptist.

[Firemans4Horn 18118]

America’s a fucking mess. 

[YChang 3460]

1 minute ago, Firemans4Horn said:

America’s a fucking mess. 

This... I hope this truly is the nadir of all this madness. 

[Foosters 17866]

 

[Lurch 5931]

Early reports that he hates Trump. I’ll eat my hat post

[Message Board User 12395]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

 

I wonder where he got that idea.

[jimmyjazz 46054]

It's not a big leap to imagine that someone who wants all Jews dead is likely to have far-right political leanings which are only getting fueled by executive branch rhetoric and actions.

[M12BH 545]

4 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

It's not that discussing the shooting's politics is wrong, though it's possibly premature.

It's that I do not want slews of terroristic events to truly have clear political undertones.  Maybe "denial" is the word for it.  When we live in an America where this happens and our President can't resist stoking division, I don't know what comes next.

Oh, I know what comes next.  I know very well.  Not to go all Brisket here, and I certainly haven't been vocal about it on this site, but I have called every fucking step of the deterioration of this country since that asshole got elected.  The only thing that surprises me is how fast it's all happening.  I've promised my husband to wait until after the midterms before having my next meltdown but I'm not hopeful.

And oh yeah, this synagogue in Pittsburgh is my SIL's home congregation and I am dreading like hell having to call her.  Chances she knows the victims hover right around 100%.

[crash_davis 23114]

another day in Trump's america.  all the vitriol and hate from this administration.  somehow it's the media's fault for dividing the country.

and still waiting for the bump stock ban.  

[wildcat09 29365]

11 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

It's not that discussing the shooting's politics is wrong, though it's possibly premature.

It's that I do not want slews of terroristic events to truly have clear political undertones.  Maybe "denial" is the word for it.  When we live in an America where this happens and our President can't resist stoking division, I don't know what comes next.

What does this even mean? Terrorism is inherently political. 

[crash_davis 23114]

lest we forget, there are good people on both sides.

Edited October 27, 2018 by crash_davis

[Lurch 5931]

[happyfunball 481]

False flag 

soros

lock her up

give guns to priest 

did I misss any right wing talking points?

[Ragnarok 103]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's not a big leap to imagine that someone who wants all Jews dead is likely to have far-right political leanings which are only getting fueled by executive branch rhetoric and actions.

exactly.  Trump's vocal support of  Israel and moving our embassy to Jerusalem are doing nothing but fanning the flames of right wing jew hatred.

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

What does this even mean? Terrorism is inherently political. 

Setting aside whether that is true, it feels as if that the frequency of politically-motivated violence has increased - and it's not coming from "both sides".  I can both recognize that fact and wish it wasn't true.  Yes, it's in conflict.  That's what makes it excruciating.

[Brisketexan 105206]

This... I hope this truly is the nadir of all this madness. 

Keep hoping...it won’t work.

And while it seems that he’s not a trump worshipper...look at WHY. It’s because he doesn’t think Trump is ENOUGH of a racist. See the caravan motivation. Which is fed to him by the gallon by Fox News and the other mouthpieces of the alt right.

Gasoline. Poured all over everything. And we’re surprised when shit goes up in flames.

[wildcat09 29365]

14 minutes ago, YChang said:

This... I hope this truly is the nadir of all this madness. 

...I've got some bad news for you. This kind of shit is just getting started.

[Ragnarok 103]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Keep hoping...it won’t work.

And while it seems that he’s not a trump worshipper...look at WHY. It’s because he doesn’t think Trump is ENOUGH of a racist. See the caravan motivation. Which is fed to him by the gallon by Fox News and the other mouthpieces of the alt right.

Gasoline. Poured all over everything. And we’re surprised when shit goes up in flames.
 

I thought Fox was telling us that the caravan was bringing in some terrorists....I didn't realize that the infestation of the central american caravan by the jews was the real problem and motivation for shooting up a synagogue.

[RomaVicta 29966]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Keep hoping...it won’t work.

And while it seems that he’s not a trump worshipper...look at WHY. It’s because he doesn’t think Trump is ENOUGH of a racist. See the caravan motivation. Which is fed to him by the gallon by Fox News and the other mouthpieces of the alt right.

Gasoline. Poured all over everything. And we’re surprised when shit goes up in flames.
 

 

Thanks for boiling down what I was thinking. Based on the tweets, he thinks Trump isn't Trumpy enough.

[DixonHur 11351]

Damn, the Dems are working overtime with all these false flags they're trying to pin on Trumpers.

[Brisketexan 105206]

I thought Fox was telling us that the caravan was bringing in some terrorists....I didn't realize that the infestation of the central american caravan by the jews was the real problem and motivation for shooting up a synagogue.

Read what he said. He blamed the Jews for letting brown people in.

[RomaVicta 29966]

2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

I thought Fox was telling us that the caravan was bringing in some terrorists....I didn't realize that the infestation of the central american caravan by the jews was the real problem and motivation for shooting up a synagogue.

The real problem is foreigners and impure people threatening us from within! Let's be thorough and kill them all! The queens and the coons and the reds and the Jews!

Things are bad and getting worse, my friends.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Keep hoping...it won’t work.

And while it seems that he’s not a trump worshipper...look at WHY. It’s because he doesn’t think Trump is ENOUGH of a racist. See the caravan motivation. Which is fed to him by the gallon by Fox News and the other mouthpieces of the alt right.

Gasoline. Poured all over everything. And we’re surprised when shit goes up in flames.
 

 

Yep.  From way back in the campaign, when Trump used anti-semitic imagery in campaign materials, and his supporters said, "He's not anti-semitic; his daughter converted to Judaism!", I would always say that I'm not worried about him, but the movement he is leading, and the people within that movement who come next.  

[Ragnarok 103]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Read what he said. He blamed the Jews for letting brown people in.

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

[DixonHur 11351]

1 minute ago, Ragnarok said:

Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

Finally some truth from a troll

[Captainant 27723]

3 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

You're right. Especially with how the shooter was so mad about the migrant caravan and was SURE its the jews fault. Whos been beating the "caravan is full of rapists and terrorists" drum again? Yeah you're right, trump has zero culpabuluty in all this

[jimmyjazz 46054]

Hitler's racial gold standard was blonde-haired blue-eyed Nords.  He hardly fit the description.  In the end, the Nazis' use of "Aryan" was really mostly a means to distinguish from "non-Aryan", or Jews, but that didn't stop them from propping up an image that Hitler himself didn't come close to meeting.  Anyone looking for cold, logical decision-making from an authoritarian is wasting their time.

[Foosters 17866]

6 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

The most pro-Jewish President ever has supporters who organize torch parades chanting "jews will not replace us"

[Brisketexan 105206]

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

I didn’t say that and neither did the shooter.

The alt right movement that trump has embraced (but not strongly enough, let the shooter) stirs it up.

This guy was pissed about the “caravan.” That’s the motive. Gee, I wonder which movement is characterizing the caravan as a threat?

[Telegraph_it 3359]

Surly thought police out strong as expected. Perhaps this tragedy like many of the past tragedies doesn’t fit into the half the country is at fault narrative. 

[David Dennison 18944]

17 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

Pro-Israel is not the same thing as pro-Jewish.

[Captainant 27723]

2 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

Surly thought police out strong as expected. Perhaps this tragedy like many of the past tragedies doesn’t fit into the half the country is at fault narrative. 

So wait, are you saying both sides are at fault? Those Jews sure had it coming, what with their peaceful worship at their synagogue amirite

[Zepol87 9189]

Did this during midterm elections obviously a democrat plant. Stop fucking killing people

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

59 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm not sure what to make of the political frame in the op.

I don't know nearly enough to have an opinion on why this happened.

The increase in mass shootings should be telling us something, but I don't think we're getting whatever the message is. We jump to quickly to political spin and focusing only on gun control. My guess is that the increase in mass shootings is more complex.

I'm reminded of the movie Brazil where terroristic acts are so common that people barely raise an eyebrow.

Bad sports.. JUST BAD SPORTS....

[RomaVicta 29966]

14 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

Ah, and so that's Trump's fault for being the most pro-Israel, pro-Jewish President in modern times.  Clever bastard. Amazing how many ways Trump finds to stir up hate.

Negged for obfuscation and lying. Trump would not condemn the White Supremacist (euphemism for NAZI) demonstrators who chanted "The Jews will not replace us!" and the ever popular "Blood and Soil" in Charlottesville. He even said that there were some good people among them and equated them with those who demonstrated against their message.

I'm forced at last to suspect any apologist for this vile administration of being party to fascism either knowingly or as useful idiots. 

Thanks for putting us on the track towards killing each other. It won't be a one way street for much longer. Then the real chaos begins.

Tragic, idiotic anarchy will replace us.