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1. people are coming here and turning themselves into border patrol
2. BUILD THE WALL
3. ???
4. people are coming here and turning themselves into border patrol

 

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  On 2/21/2019 at 7:59 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

"Such pressures on U.S. border cities like El Paso, Texas, which is across from Ciudad Juárez, are evident in the number of apprehensions for illegal entry, which is up 478 percent this year. As of this week, there have been 43,238 apprehensions in the El Paso sector this fiscal year – compared to 7,481 at this same point last year, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. "

 

Sounds like a crisis

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-caravan-forms-as-mexican-cities-that-border-us-keep-swelling-with-migrants

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Sounds like our policies aren't doing much to keep immigrants from trying to get in the United States. I wonder how many are getting through.

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  On 2/21/2019 at 8:04 PM, Captainant said:

Ah yes, fox news, the beacon of fact-based reporting. Please show me that facts that they're citing for their argument. Because I really doubt that there have been over 40k apprehensions just near el paso.

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Seriously, if someone doesn't give a reason to believe them, we've no reason to believe them.

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  On 2/11/2019 at 6:38 AM, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

For those against asylum seekers coming here, let me ask you this: how bad does something have to be before you would relent and be open to the idea of granting asylum to those in need?

Let's run through a very real scenario that happens today and compare the positions. North Korean asylum seekers flee North Korea into China because of the extremely oppressive nature they face at the hands of the government as well as the fact that there is little if any food and no possible way to grow economically as an individual within North Korea. If someone is captured by the Chinese then return to North Korea, they face among the hardest conditions of anyone on the planet just for trying to find a better life.

So the question is this, do the people that are coming here in the caravans from Central and South America need to be facing the same kind of scrutiny and oppression as that of the North Koreans before you would change your position? Or are we actually going to be better than that and recognize that these are human beings and we are supposed to be the world leaders of acceptance and diversity?

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Well, you see, if only they looked like us.

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It is funny how the same anti-immigrant canard is rolled out generation after generation. "Those past immigrants were different, these new ones will never assimilate." Notice the Irishman waving a flag that isn't an American flag?

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They never did assimilate.

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:14 AM, F250 said:

It is funny how the same anti-immigrant canard is rolled out generation after generation. "Those past immigrants were different, these new ones will never assimilate."

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Exactly. Only the names change. The underlying sentiment never does

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Another thing that trips me out about this thread is Icono's posts.

As a little kid in the early 1980's, I remember the Iranian refugees that were attempting to integrate into our local community while being faced with racism. People talked so much shit to the Iranians and they were about as welcome in our community as an Arab was after 9/11.

I also remember hearing adults say Iranians didn't bathe regularly nor wash their hands after taking a dump. Don't eat their food, they eat with their bare hands. "Never shake an Iranian's hand because they wipe their ass barehanded." They smell like arm pits because they don't wear deodorant. These things were repeated often while the men laughed and the women would gross out.

Anyways, not all families treated the Iranians this way. My older sister was friends with an Iranian girl and our families shared meals together. After a number of years there was integration but it started with the Hispanic and mixed families. The Hispanic and Anglo/Hispanic mixed families were the first to open up their homes to the Iranians in our community.

A generation later, we have a product of Iranian immigration shitting on immigrants from the same ethnic group that welcomed his own people.

Sad!

 

 

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:14 AM, F250 said:

It is funny how the same anti-immigrant canard is rolled out generation after generation. "Those past immigrants were different, these new ones will never assimilate." Notice the Irishman waving a flag that isn't an American flag?

Puck-Mortar-of-Assimilation.jpg

 

We had some strange immigrants in those days: Chinese looking ape-people dressed like Elmer Fudd, Irish looking ape-people dressed like Delino Deshields with bloody knives, dirty garden gnome bastards from I don't know what country, Waylon Jennings.  I'm no phrenologist but some of those forehead slopes cannot have been good.  

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:43 AM, F250 said:

Another thing that trips me out about this thread is Icono's posts.

As a little kid in the early 1980's, I remember the Iranian refugees that were attempting to integrate into our local community while being faced with racism. People talked so much shit to the Iranians and they were about as welcome in our community as an Arab was after 9/11.

I also remember hearing adults say Iranians didn't bathe regularly nor wash their hands after taking a dump. Don't eat their food, they eat with their bare hands. "Never shake an Iranian's hand because they wipe their ass barehanded." They smell like arm pits because they don't wear deodorant. These things were repeated often while the men laughed and the women would gross out.

Anyways, not all families treated the Iranians this way. My older sister was friends with an Iranian girl and our families shared meals together. After a number of years there was integration but it started with the Hispanic and mixed families. The Hispanic and Anglo/Hispanic mixed families were the first to open up their homes to the Iranians in our community.

A generation later, we have a product of Iranian immigration shitting on immigrants from the same ethnic group that welcomed his own people.

Sad!

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Oh it's always been like that too. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why there was such open hostility towards, of all people, the fucking Irish in a country that comprised mostly of immigrants from the British Isles. It's maddening, but it does happen.

  On 2/23/2019 at 11:20 AM, tjhooker said:

Did they come here legally or illegal? 

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It's not about legal/illegal; it's about ethnicity. My extended family, for example, is predominantly Celtic-blooded genetically (Scotland/Ireland/Wales), and some of them do have these anti-immigration views, but I'll be goddamned if any of them would be hostile towards illegal Scotsmen or Irishmen. When they prattle on about "illegal immigration," they're really just talking about Latin Americans.

And forget my family, just look at your own prejudice. When you see someone of Chinese, Korean, or Indian descent, do you ever question whether or not they're illegal? 

In Icono's case, given that it was during the reign of the Shah, I'd chalk that up to "refugee," which is what the Salvadorans/Guatemalans/Hondurans are trying to do right now especially since they live in far worse conditions (which, like Iran under the Shah, we imposed). I guarantee you Icono has no issue whatsoever with Iranians coming here illegally today, even if he trolls that he does here on Surlyhorns.

That question that you posted is just a pretext. 

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:43 AM, F250 said:
Another thing that trips me out about this thread is Icono's posts. As a little kid in the early 1980's, I remember the Iranian refugees that were attempting to integrate into our local community while being faced with racism. People talked so much shit to the Iranians and they were about as welcome in our community as an Arab was after 9/11.

I also remember hearing adults say Iranians didn't bathe regularly nor wash their hands after taking a dump. Don't eat their food, they eat with their bare hands. "Never shake an Iranian's hand because they wipe their ass barehanded." They smell like arm pits because they don't wear deodorant. These things were repeated often while the men laughed and the women would gross out.

Anyways, not all families treated the Iranians this way. My older sister was friends with an Iranian girl and our families shared meals together. After a number of years there was integration but it started with the Hispanic and mixed families. The Hispanic and Anglo/Hispanic mixed families were the first to open up their homes to the Iranians in our community.

A generation later, we have a product of Iranian immigration shitting on immigrants from the same ethnic group that welcomed his own people.

Sad!

 

 

 

You mean I am following a long time American tradition as a born in America native turning his back on today’s immigrants. 410809d167d25734fc1f6685dcd59246.jpg

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I am an immigration hardliner with everyone hpslugga. I have no problem with Trump’s ban of Iranians coming to this country because of the actions of the Islamofascist government. I support putting pressure on that government by every available means sans invasion.

 

You might think I am an unfeeling asshole. I understand why the migrants are coming. I don’t think encouraging them to come to get fucked by coyotes and left stranded in the desert or raped is being compassionate. Save the money from the wall and send it to Honduras and El Salvador and help those countries so the migrant caravans can stop by alleviating the corruption and violence.

 

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  On 2/23/2019 at 11:20 AM, tjhooker said:

Did they come here legally or illegal? 

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I have no idea, I've never asked anyone if they were in the country legally or illegally my entire life. That isn't a conversation normal people start up.

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  On 2/23/2019 at 5:18 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:
I am an immigration hardliner with everyone hpslugga. I have no problem with Trump’s ban of Iranians coming to this country because of the actions of the Islamofascist government. I support putting pressure on that government by every available means sans invasion.

You might think I am an unfeeling asshole. I understand why the migrants are coming. I don’t think encouraging them to come to get fucked by coyotes and left stranded in the desert or raped is being compassionate. Save the money from the wall and send it to Honduras and El Salvador and help those countries so the migrant caravans can be alleviated by improvements

Holy shit...that second paragraph is rational, decent, and sane. Who the fuck got hold of Icono’s login?
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  On 2/23/2019 at 5:26 PM, Brisketexan said:

Holy shit...that second paragraph is rational, decent, and sane. Who the fuck got hold of Icono’s login?

Lent is coming up soon. I have been reflecting a lot and preparing for it
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  On 2/23/2019 at 5:48 PM, tjhooker said:

You think the Irish immigrants were holding Irish flags as they tried to illegally enter the US? False analogy. 

Also, many of you confuse people being against illegal immigration as being opposed to all immigration.  That is far from the case but it allows you to put people into neat little racist boxes. 

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I was mocking your statement for it's stupidity. Oh no, I see someone not carrying a U.S. flag, what could that mean?

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  On 2/23/2019 at 2:07 PM, hpslugga said:

Oh it's always been like that too. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why there was such open hostility towards, of all people, the fucking Irish in a country that comprised mostly of immigrants from the British Isles. It's maddening, but it does happen.

 

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uh, the english currently feel like this about the irish (not all of them, of course, but this one can't be the only one thinking it):

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an unnamed member of Parliament reportedly told a BBC columnist that same month, adding: “The Irish really should know their place.”

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now move the clock backward a couple hundred years from that point. 

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  On 2/23/2019 at 5:48 PM, tjhooker said:

You think the Irish immigrants were holding Irish flags as they tried to illegally enter the US? False analogy. 

Also, many of you confuse people being against illegal immigration as being opposed to all immigration.  That is far from the case but it allows you to put people into neat little racist boxes. 

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Boxes like saying Dems that support border security but no wall are for open borders? 

Like those boxes? 

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:17 PM, tjhooker said:

If you are wanting a country to let you in because you think it is better there then I would be holding the flag of the country I wanted to let me in and not the one I am leaving. 

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Someone holding a flag doesn't seem odd, most people usually associate flags with their ethnicities here in the U.S. for example St. Patrick's Day, Wurstfest, Columbus Day, Cinco de Mayo, etc... That isn't even unique to the U.S. I've seen Union Jack's in British expat places overseas. It's just something people do.

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  On 2/23/2019 at 6:19 PM, elfenix said:

uh, the english currently feel like this about the irish

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Well the english are pricks like that. 

  On 2/23/2019 at 5:26 PM, Brisketexan said:

Holy shit...that second paragraph is rational, decent, and sane. Who the fuck got hold of Icono’s login?

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It's either a hack, or it's disingenuous at best. It wasn't long ago on this thread that he was praising every single effort the Trump administration has made, and now he's "advocating" for steps that everyone and their fucking mother knows they will not take. It's like when Cartman said "I broke the dam" after everyone else did.

Take this dissertation on rocket surgery from just a month ago: 

"It would be worth it for a Democrat to get elected espousing such bullshit because it would lead to a backlash so severe that the GOP would rule for a generation and we would then finally put a stop to illegal immigration once and for all."

The GOP and Trump's position(s) on immigration is certainly not to curtail it via "save the money from the wall and send it to Honduras and El Salvador and help those countries so the migrant caravans can be alleviated by improvements."

Wanna know how I know that? Because 1) they're the party of the Wall and 2) if that indeed was their platform, I'd endorse it. I do not endorse their platform because their platform, more or less, is this other example of a brain science dissertation from Icono which reads:

"Finally, it’s attitudes of illegals who say shit like this that pisses me off and why I’ll never support a hayden horn “let them all in” policy.

”I honestly don’t want to cross illegally, but I don’t really have a choice,” said Mr. Moreno, 37.”

you have a motherfucking choice. Stay in Mexico or go back to the shithole you came from, learn English, get an education and try to immigrate legally and actually have something worthwhile to add to this country."

I've seen more morality and honesty from Ahrimanism than from that verbal effluvia. 

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Shout out to our southern neighbor by being a good neighbor by trying to stem the tide of Central American migrants that threaten the prosperity of both Mexico and the US. Neither country benefits from having poor, uneducated people assault our borders, hopefully, the Central Americans are getting more discouraged from coming. We can try to help them with some more foreign aid to help combat the gangs. I have been impressed with AMLO so far and a couple of my Mexican friends are very pleased with him too. Contrary to what some idiots here might think, I love Mexico and think it is being held back from being a powerhouse by the cartels. Putting his money where his mouth is and is leading by example by reducing extravagance. Viva la México!

“Mexican officials are carrying out the Trump administration’s immigration agenda across broad stretches of the border, undercutting the Mexican government’s promises to defend migrants and support their search for a better life.

The Mexican authorities are blocking groups of migrants at border towns, refusing to allow them onto international bridges to apply for asylum in the United States, intercepting unaccompanied minors before they can reach American soil, and helping to manage lists of asylum seekers on behalf of the American authorities to limit the number of people crossing the border.

Breaking with decades of asylum practice, the Mexican government has also allowed the Trump administration to send more than 120 men, women and children to Tijuana while they await decisions on their asylum applications in the United States. The program could be expanded to other border crossings as soon as next week.

Officials inside the administration of Mexico’s new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, have called his stance on migrants a strategic decision not to anger President Trump.”

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According to the documents, over a thousand allegations of sexual abuse against unaccompanied minors in HHS custody were reported to federal authorities each fiscal year since 2015. In total, between October 2014 and July 2018, 4,556 sexual abuse complaints were reported to the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) — an agency within HHS in charge of caring for unaccompanied migrant minors. 

An additional 1,303 complaints were received by the Justice Department between fiscal years 2015 and 2018, but it's unclear whether these complaints overlap with those reported to ORR. 

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Sickening

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So While Mexico is not paying for the wall, at least it is paying the costs of supporting the migrants while they wait for the US to decide whether to let them on. They are limiting the numbers of asylum applicants at ports of entry. Well done President Trump.

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Tapa does if you take the time to manually enter them.

 

That’s what I do when I’m on tapa.

 

Just type

 

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Much thanks to the NYT for their article today that makes the case for President Trump’s emergency declaration for a border wall that is desperately needed. They try to blame it on Trump in the middle of the article. For elfenix’s sake, I will not post the entire article because he bitched about not having the spoiler tag operational on Tapatalk. See what a nice guy I am that I care for the wishes of a poster that I disagree with. What is going on is an invasion and I’m sick and tired of people trying to say that there isn’t a problem. Apprehensions are at a record. That talking point for liberals is gone. Even if it was true, it’s like claiming that your open wound is oozing blood at a slower pace. You’re still going to fucking die if it doesn’t stop. That’s what’s happening to our country as a result of illegal immigration. Our nation of laws is being corrupted by those here illegally and flaunting it, citizens are paying for the schooling and health care of illegal immigrants and citizens are suffering from crimes committed by a small percentage of illegals who shouldn’t be here in the first place.  This is fucking insanity to let this continue and Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for not protecting the citizens of this country and looking out for the needs of illegals. The asylum process is broken and needs to be ripped into shreds and rewritten. We’re in a completely different era with the ease of movement and communications and standards set in the 50s no longer apply. This country is at a breaking point. Thank you President Trump for trying to do fucking something about this. MAGA. Here are some snippets from the article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html

Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month

For the fourth time in five months, the number of migrant families crossing the southwest border has broken records, border enforcement authorities said Tuesday, warning that government facilities are full and agents are overwhelmed.

More than 76,000 migrants crossed the border without authorization in February, more than double the levels from the same period last year and approaching the largest numbers seen in any February in the last 12 years.

“The system is well beyond capacity, and remains at the breaking point,” Kevin K. McAleenan, commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, told reporters in announcing the new data.

“We had never seen these kinds of numbers,” said Ruben Garcia, the director of the organization, called Annunciation House. He said that during one week in February, immigration authorities had released more than 3,600 migrants to his organization, the highest number in any single week since the group’s founding in 1978.

As of March 3, 268,044 migrants had been apprehended along the southwest border since the fiscal year began in October, a 97 percent increase from the previous year, according to government figures.

Recently, though, the agency has also begun releasing single adults into the country because of backups that now extend to Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facilities across the country, where adult detainees are traditionally held until their immigration court cases are resolved.

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What is the problem again?  How can we afford to detain all these people?  Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to let them all find work and contribute to the economy on a work visa or something? 

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  On 3/5/2019 at 10:21 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What is the problem again?  How can we afford to detain all these people?  Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to let them all find work and contribute to the economy on a work visa or something? 

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How about they declare asylum in the first country that they reach safety to which is what is supposed to happen. That country is México. AMLO appears to be helping us thankfully. Both Mexico and the US need to coordinate and do whatever it takes to stop this shit. Send foreign aid and build the fucking wall on Mexico’s southern border.

By your logic everyone who steps foot in this country should be allowed to stay. Is that what you’re saying. Farhad Manjoo made that argument and even liberals thought that went too far. The “give me your tired and poor” era is over. We are not a sparsely populated country with a vast amount of territory that needed to be settled. There are finite resources. America for Americans.

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  On 3/5/2019 at 10:27 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

How about they declare asylum in the first country that they reach safety to which is what is supposed to happen. That country is México. AMLO appears to be helping us thankfully. Both Mexico and the US need to coordinate and do whatever it takes to stop this shit. Send foreign aid and build the fucking wall on Mexico’s southern border.

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It's never going to stop.

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  On 3/5/2019 at 10:30 PM, David Dennison said:

It's never going to stop.

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It will with a wall and the use of force if necessary. I’m going to see Israel’s separation barrier up close and personal soon. That should be the model to follow. 

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  On 3/5/2019 at 10:33 PM, David Dennison said:

No, it won't. It's never going to stop and there's never going to be a wall.

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We should just let our country be overrun then. That’s how much you care about your country to let it happen. Israel has shown the way to keep people hostile to their way of life out. That’s who we need to pattern our country after 

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  On 3/5/2019 at 10:32 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

It will with a wall. I’m going to see Israel’s separation barrier up close and personal soon. That should be the model to follow. 

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West Bank is about the size of Rhode Island, and the IDF controls both sides of that wall.  Unless we are going to forcibly take over Mexico, a wall is useless.  It can keep people in, but can't keep them out. 

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Israel’s wall works because is not just a wall but a complex and very expensively manned barrier system.   The people traveling a thousand miles on foot would laugh their ass off at whatever barrier wall we put up and say, “challenge accepted.”

We can do adequate border security with a moronic wall.



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