Caravan

[retread 2951]

 

Family Case Mgmt System that was discontinued.

99 percent of the program’s participants “successfully attended their court appearances and ICE check-ins.”

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The United States’ family case management program provides a more relaxed alternative to detention facilities, functioning less like a prison and more like a counseling center. As part of the program, social workers connect asylum-seekers to legal representation, guide them through the court system, and help them receive housing and healthcare, as well as schooling for their children. Asylum-seekers must also have demonstrated that they legitimately fear returning to their country of origin in order to qualify.

Since January 2016, the program has served asylum-seekers in numerous cities across the U.S., including Chicago, Miami, New York, Los Angeles, Baltimore, and Washington, D.C. According to a letter signed by Ann Schlarb, the senior vice president of The GEO Group—the prison company that runs the case management program—99 percent of the program’s participants “successfully attended their court appearances and ICE check-ins.” Schlarb even noted that “families have thrived” under the relaxed conditions.

With the program scheduled to close on June 20, future asylum-seekers who aren’t held in detention centers are likely to end up in “intensive supervision” programs—a cost-effective alternative to family case management. The AP writes that case management programs cost around $36 a day for one family, while intensive supervision programs cost between $5 and $7 for each individual. “By discontinuing [family case management], ICE will save more than $12 million a year—money which can be utilized for other programs which more effectively allow ICE to discharge its enforcement and removal responsibilities," Rodriguez said in a statement. The trade-off, however, is that asylum-seekers will have access to fewer resources and will likely be forced to wear uncomfortable ankle monitors.

With the Trump administration heavily focused on deporting unauthorized immigrants, intensive supervision programs also offer a more successful record of deportation. While the case management program has deported just 15 of its participant families, intensive supervision programs have deported around 2,200 individuals over the same time period. With this track record and budgetary savings in mind, the Trump administration has allotted around $57 million of its 2018 budget for intensive supervision programs. The budget also calls for another $1.5 billion for detaining and deporting unauthorized immigrants.

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/06/ice-shuts-down-program-for-asylum-seekers/529887/

 

Edited December 16, 2018 by retread

[HenryJames 66143]

 

[Chrispy 132]

11 hours ago, Cajun said:

Get you pens and papers ready for your sternly worded letters to CNN and the kid's father...

(CNN)The father of a 7-year-old Guatemalan girl who died after being detained by the US Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) said he has "no complaints about how Border Patrol agents treated him and his daughter," Guatemalan Consul Tekandi Paniagua told CNN on Saturday.

The consul said the father, Nery Gilberto Caal, told him agents did everything they possibly could to help his daughter, Jakelin Caal Maquin, after she became sick on a a bus. The bus traveled from the Antelope Wells port of entry in New Mexico to a Border Patrol station in Lordsburg, New Mexico, about 90 minutes away. 

She died December 8 in a hospital 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/us/guatemalan-girls-father/index.html

Wow, he’s being very nice to his daughter’s murderers. 

[David Dennison 18944]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Well, you can kiss that $5 billion good-bye.

[David Dennison 18944]

2 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Wow, he’s being very nice to his daughter’s murderers. 

I notice he didn't say anything about the U.S. policies that hastened her death.

Weird.

[Cajun 11722]

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Today’s statesman has a quote that captures the honest reality: “in San Saba, we can’t even stand the legal immigration.”

Y’all can continue to lie and say this isn’t about flat-out xenophobia, but nobody with a lick of sense believes you. Nobody.

Tommy Lee Jones is a known alkie. 

He hates everyone.

[Cajun 11722]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I notice he didn't say anything about the U.S. policies that hastened her death.

Weird.

Obviously, CNN edited that part out.  You just know it's in there.  Gotta be someone else's fault, right?

[David Dennison 18944]

The truly bizarre part about all of this from the White House perspective is that until they get legislation passed, everything that The Donald is doing is going to be undone immediately by the next Democratic president.

[Chrispy 132]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I notice he didn't say anything about the U.S. policies that hastened her death.

Weird.

Marching a 7 year old thousands of miles? 

[David Dennison 18944]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

Marching a 7 year old thousands of miles? 

Putting her on a bus to transport her from a port of entry to a remote inland border patrol station knowing she's in distress.

That's just good governmenting.

[Cajun 11722]

Even her own father doesn't buy into your victimology.

Weird

[Chrispy 132]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Putting her on a bus to transport her from a port of entry to a remote inland border patrol station knowing she's in distress.

That's just good governmenting.

I guess they should have marched her like her parents. 

[David Dennison 18944]

1 minute ago, Cajun said:

Even her own father doesn't buy into your victimology.

Weird

You didn't read the article, did you?

[David Dennison 18944]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

I guess they should have marched her like her parents. 

Or, I don't know, cared for her at the port of entry. Crazy.

[Cajun 11722]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You didn't read the article, did you?

The whole thing.

I just pick the parts that further my narrative, just like you amigo.

[retread 2951]

Sounds like she needed to do more bootstrappin' or not be born in a poor country. Better luck next time.

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The father and daughter lived with Jakelin's mother, Claudia Maquin, and three other children in the remote Mayan Q'eqchi' community of Raxruhá in the Alta Verapaz region of Guatemala.

Because of extreme poverty, Caal headed to the United States, taking Jakelin with him and leaving the rest of the family behind, Garcia said. The father and daughter traveled about a week before reaching the New Mexico border with a group of migrants the night of December 6 -- three days after her 7th birthday.

Nearly eight hours after they were detained, Jakelin and her father were loaded onto a bus bound for the Border Patrol station in Lordsburg, New Mexico, the CBP said.

Before leaving, her father told agents his daughter was sick and vomiting, the CBP said. An agent notified the station that the child would need emergency medical care.
When the bus arrived at the Lordsburg station at about 6:30 a.m., the father told agents the child was not breathing, according to CBP.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/us/guatemalan-girls-father/index.html

Edited December 16, 2018 by retread

[DixonHur 11349]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

A numbered wristband is very different from a written number on skin that is similar to concentration camp tattoos. It's a bad look and they shouldn't be doing it precisely because of the historical connotations. 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I see the logical leap from semi-permanent marker on a free person waiting a week for an asylum appointment, to a permanent tattoo on someone in an a concentration camp waiting to be killed as slightly larger than the leap between a written number and a wrist banded person waiting overnight for a concert ticket. 

Just to be clear, I think the Trump administration's handling of this whole thing has been horrible from the jump.  I think there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be upset, but to me this isn't one of them.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

A numbered wristband is very different from a written number on skin that is similar to concentration camp tattoos. It's a bad look and they shouldn't be doing it precisely because of the historical connotations. 

Jesus you need help. First of all I'll bet thase kids don't even know what the holocaust was, so a number on their arm means nothing to them.  

You look at that and see the nazis. You look at anything red and black and see Nazis.  You look at anything that doesn't fit your messy little world as racist or Nazi, for the love of God grow up.  The optics of it is, a number has been put on their arm so they have been identified, and are in a process for getting in to the country. A wrist band would have triggered the same tired BS schtick from you because somehow it's no different than the gold star they wore on their shirts and hats.

[David Dennison 18944]

6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Jesus you need help. First of all I'll bet thase kids don't even know what the holocaust was, so a number on their arm means nothing to them.  

You look at that and see the nazis. You look at anything red and black and see Nazis.  You look at anything that doesn't fit your messy little world as racist or Nazi, for the love of God grow up.  The optics of it is, a number has been put on their arm so they have been identified, and are in a process for getting in to the country. A wrist band would have triggered the same tired BS schtick from you because somehow it's no different than the gold star they wore on their shirts and hats.

You need help.

[bad_teammate 13221]

Taking each step out of its larger context is exactly how we march down the road to fascist genocide. Each step seems bad-but-reasonable individually until it's too late and black clouds of human ash are filling the sky.

[Brian Fantana 6690]

Imagine believing everyone that disagrees with you is mentally ill

[David Dennison 18944]

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I see the logical leap from semi-permanent marker on a free person waiting a week for an asylum appointment, to a permanent tattoo on someone in an a concentration camp waiting to be killed as slightly larger than the leap between a written number and a wrist banded person waiting overnight for a concert ticket. 

Just to be clear, I think the Trump administration's handling of this whole thing has been horrible from the jump.  I think there are plenty of legitimate reasons to be upset, but to me this isn't one of them.

It's not up to you. It doesn't matter if you aren't offended.

[Chrispy 132]

Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Imagine believing everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi.

Fify. 

[DixonHur 11349]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It's not up to you. It doesn't matter if you aren't offended.

What's not up to me?  

[Cajun 11722]

Ho-Lee-Shit!

[David Dennison 18944]

Just now, Chrispy said:

Fify. 

You aren't a Nazi. You're a racist.

[David Dennison 18944]

Just now, DixonHur said:

What's not up to me?  

Whether someone else should take offense.

[DixonHur 11349]

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Whether someone else should take offense.

This is a message board, that's the ONLY thing up to me 😎

[Brian Fantana 6690]

39 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Fify. 

You're just a dumbfuck, not a Nazi. I'm not sure which is worse for your children.

[David Dennison 18944]

25 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is a message board, that's the ONLY thing up to me 😎

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Imagine believing everyone that disagrees with you is mentally ill

SEE: chrispys post above.

[Cajun 11722]

It's like rock, paper, scissors.

Nazi Racist beats mentally ill.

Thems the rules on the left.

[Kyle 207]

5 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Honest question.  Why are some people so bent out of shape over the number writing thing?  And don't say Nazis, because everyone who's being intellectually honest knows the situations are not similar in the slightest.  This is clearly an attempt to make sure people's asylum claims are handled in order of arrival.  

To me it doesn't seem different than when I'd camp out for concert tickets when I was younger and they'd give me a numbered wristband.

Because snowflakes.

[David Dennison 18944]

7 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Because snowflakes.

Ironical.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Ironical.

Nah yer not a snowflake.  Snowflakes are beautiful, crystaline structures, each unique in the world.

Yer just a fucking flake.

[Kyle 207]

On 12/15/2018 at 7:58 AM, DixonHur said:

As much as I'll catch hell for this, I actually agree with Icono on this one albeit for a slightly different reason.

I think the left jumps to race way too quickly as the reason for everything.  Now granted, the Trump administration has catered to, and emboldened the racists in this country; and there are a considerable number of people who do view immigration through a racist lens, but I don't think that's the majority.

Personally, I think the larger issue is culture.  If you look through our history, it's the fear of cultural changes that has been the primary driver for opposition to large immigration movements.  First it was Jews, then Germans, then Chinese, then the papist Irish and Italians.  In the 70's and 80'st It was the Vietnamese, Iranian, Cuban, and Indian.  Now it's Mexican/Latin American and Muslim.  

But like every other group before, this will be a blip on the radar in 100 years and it will be some other group in the cross hairs.

Hell, based on what happened with the Irish, Italians, German, and Jews (outside the neo-Nazi set, anyway), Mexicans and other Latin Americans might be considered white in 100 years.

 

I don't know why I punish myself .... I think you're spot on, but IMHO there are two things I'll add that I think makes some difference in today vs. yesterday:

- Proximity: Asian and European immigration inherently limited by logistics; as the Caravan shows, basically all of Central America can walk to the U.S. and claim "asylum;" by the logic of many, we should just effectively annex Central America.

- Political correctness: somewhere during the last 20 years many liberals intelligentsia decided it was racist to expect immigrants to assimilate, so we spend lots of our tax dollars ensuring Latin American immigrants never have to assimilate culturally or linguistically; my grandfather was spanked and sent home from school for speaking German and told not to return until he knows English; today, he would have gotten a scholarship

I love legal immigration, and I think one of the greatest things about America was the concept of the Melting Pot, which is probably today racist and national socialist. I always thought Texas did a particular good job of it. IMHO, too many extremists on the Left focus too much on our differences and the resulting Identity Politics. Practically, I just think it makes sense to work toward a single American culture as opposed to encouraging everyone to express and monetize our differences. Unfortunately, I guess that makes me a racist and national socialist, etc.

[David Dennison 18944]

1 minute ago, Kyle said:

I don't know why I punish myself .... I think you're spot on, but IMHO there are two things I'll add that I think makes some difference in today vs. yesterday:

- Proximity: Asian and European immigration inherently limited by logistics; as the Caravan shows, basically all of Central America can walk to the U.S. and claim "asylum;" by the logic of many, we should just effectively annex Central America.

- Political correctness: somewhere during the last 20 years many liberals intelligentsia decided it was racist to expect immigrants to assimilate, so we spend lots of our tax dollars ensuring Latin American immigrants never have to assimilate culturally or linguistically; my grandfather was spanked and sent home from school for speaking German and told not to return until he knows English; today, he would have gotten a scholarship

I love legal immigration, and I think one of the greatest things about America was the concept of the Melting Pot, which is probably today racist and national socialist. I always thought Texas did a particular good job of it. IMHO, too many extremists on the Left focus too much on our differences and the resulting Identity Politics. Practically, I just think it makes sense to work toward a single American culture as opposed to encouraging everyone to express and monetize our differences. Unfortunately, I guess that makes me a racist and national socialist, etc.

What is the single American culture?

[HenryJames 66143]

Imagine the stupidity it takes to come to a board filled with Texans and claim that Hispanics no longer assimilate.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

5 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Honest question.  Why are some people so bent out of shape over the number writing thing?  And don't say Nazis, because everyone who's being intellectually honest knows the situations are not similar in the slightest.  This is clearly an attempt to make sure people's asylum claims are handled in order of arrival.  

To me it doesn't seem different than when I'd camp out for concert tickets when I was younger and they'd give me a numbered wristband.

There shouldn’t be any issue at all. I think we should get with with the 21st century and start implanting biometric devices into these people. Spare me the bleeding heart privacy concern bullshit. They are either illegal aliens or asylum applicants. I want to know where these people are at all times  so that they can be rounded up if they miss their court dates. We need to change the entire process and make it very clear to these people if they’re going to claim asylum they are no longer to just be let go with the hope of them returning. Biometrics, geofencing and no tolerance for missing of court dates. If they don’t show up, they’re done for and will he picked up based on where their biometric is beeping 

Edited December 16, 2018 by Iconoclast Texan

[HenryJames 66143]

I think the dudes who ran a train on you literally fucked your brains out.

[David Dennison 18944]

1 minute ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

There shouldn’t be any issue at all. I think we should get with with the 21st century and start implanting biometric devices into these peope. Spare me the bleeding heart privacy concern bullshit. They are either illegal aliens or asylum applicants. I want to know where these people are at all times  so that they can be rounded up if they miss their court dates. We need to change the entire process and make it very clear to these people if they’re going to claim asylum they are no longer to just be let go with the hope of them returning. Biometrics, geofencing and no tolerance for missing of court dates. If they don’t show up, they’re done for and will he picked up based on where their biometric is beeping 

That sounds constitutional. 

Ankle monitors will do in lieu of assault.

[DixonHur 11349]

4 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

There shouldn’t be any issue at all. I think we should get with with the 21st century and start implanting biometric devices into these peope. Spare me the bleeding heart privacy concern bullshit. They are either illegal aliens or asylum applicants. I want to know where these people are at all times  so that they can be rounded up if they miss their court dates. We need to change the entire process and make it very clear to these people if they’re going to claim asylum they are no longer to just be let go with the hope of them returning. Biometrics, geofencing and no tolerance for missing of court dates. If they don’t show up, they’re done for and will he picked up based on where their biometric is beeping 

Wow, that really escalated quickly. 

[David Dennison 18944]

Just now, DixonHur said:

Wow, that really escalated quickly. 

He favors fascism. Just look at his stance on the good ol' days in Iran.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He favors fascism. Just look at his stance on the good ol' days in Iran.

If I ran things in Iran, I would have assassinated Khomeini and cracked down on the protests just like Gen Sisi has done in Egypt, whom I greatly admire.

Edited December 16, 2018 by Iconoclast Texan

[David Dennison 18944]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

If I ran things in Iran, I would have assassinated Khomeini and cracked down on the protests just like Gen Sisi has done in Egypt, who I greatly admire.

You should have assassinated the Shah way before Khomeini had a chance to rile up the natives.

[DixonHur 11349]

3 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

If I ran things in Iran, I would have assassinated Khomeini and cracked down on the protests just like Gen Sisi has done in Egypt, who I greatly admire.

Well, he does seem popular...

Ex-army general secures 97 percent win, final results show, in a poll where only challenger was a Sisi supporter.

[Kyle 207]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What is the single American culture?

That's a good question and one I'm certainly not qualified to fully answer. However, I think we could align on facets of common core beliefs that a significant majority of Americans could agree upon. For example, I think American culture emphasizes freedom (of speech, religion, etc.) to a greater degree than other countries. Politically, I would point to the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Legally, English Common Law (except the damn coon asses). Linguistically, American. I acknowledge unfortunately many of these may be too often  be aspirational and that there are distinct regional expressions, but I naively think we could all align around some definition of "American culture." I think one unique factor of American culture as been historically its desire to take the best of other cultures and blend them into our greater common experience.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That sounds constitutional. 

Ankle monitors will do in lieu of assault.

Ankle monitors aren’t good enough. I want the asylum process to not be thought of as a magical get out of the shithole country card you came from card. I want it to be an intrusive process that requires lots of hoops to jump through. The asylum applicants need to the know that the government is in charge, they are not going to be free to ignore the laws and that we know where the fuck you are at all times. It’s stupid we don’t do this.

[David Dennison 18944]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

Ankle monitors aren’t good enough. I want the asylum process to not be thought of as a magical get out of the shithole country card you came from card. I want it to be an intrusive process that requires lots of hoops to jump through. The asylum applicants need to the know that the government is in charge, they are not going to be free to ignore the laws and that we know where the fuck you are at all times. It’s stupid we don’t do this.

Well, it's never going to be that way. Sorry.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Well, it's never going to be that way. Sorry.

One day hopefully. There are a enough people who would support something like what I have described with the right type of leadership. We need to keep plowing the field by doing what we have been doing.