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What's going on at BP is that they hire a shit ton of people who really have no business being a police officer. But its an easy job to get in parts of the country that don't really have jobs and its turning into another jobs program.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

49 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

JUS AXING QUSTIONSS!

 

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No

[Bama Chick 28596]

JUS AXING QUSTIONSS!
 
(did i do it right?)

Why would you type in what you think is in a “black” dialect?

That’s pretty racist.



And now y’all give me lame answers like “Trump had a busy weekend” and “The caravan is still two weeks away, he’ll get back to it when it’s closer to our border”???

You lying, hypocritical, pussy motherfuckers.

Trump spent every damn day leading up to the midterms tweeting BIG MAD SCARY tweets about the caravan but then Trumpublicans got their nuts fed to them by the electorate.

For the “He had a busy weekend” nonsense;

-He has time to tweet about deadly wildfires being California’s fault but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to tweet that Florida should stop counting absentee ballots even though the active duty service member deadline isn’t until 11/16 but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to hide from the rain and ditch a WWI remembrance ceremony in Paris and spend the day AWOL in his hotel, show up two hours late for a state dinner but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

As for the “It’s still two weeks away” poppycock....glad to see you using a talking point straight from Pelosi and Schumer! The Democrats have been banging that particular drum for fucking weeks and you Trumpkins and your orange lord have been shouting that down as fake news and acting like they were piled 15 deep in El Caminos pouring over the border as we slept.

But now that the midterms are done and there’s no one left to scare to the polls, it’s “they’re still two weeks away”.

Nope. You don’t get to pull that shit now. You started this game running the wishbone, you don’t get to switch to the spread because you’re getting your ass beat.

So, I’ll ask again - why aren’t y’all holding Trump accountable for abandoning this issue? He played on your fears and internalized racism. And since it didn’t work and never really mattered, he’s not going to do shit about it and he never really gave a shit.

You got played.

Are y’all really this......weak?

[Pam Cummings 9567]

17 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Why would you type in what you think is in a “black” dialect?

That’s pretty racist.



And now y’all give me lame answers like “Trump had a busy weekend” and “The caravan is still two weeks away, he’ll get back to it when it’s closer to our border”???

You lying, hypocritical, pussy motherfuckers.

Trump spent every damn day leading up to the midterms tweeting BIG MAD SCARY tweets about the caravan but then Trumpublicans got their nuts fed to them by the electorate.

For the “He had a busy weekend” nonsense;

-He has time to tweet about deadly wildfires being California’s fault but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to tweet that Florida should stop counting absentee ballots even though the active duty service member deadline isn’t until 11/16 but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to hide from the rain and ditch a WWI remembrance ceremony in Paris and spend the day AWOL in his hotel, show up two hours late for a state dinner but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

As for the “It’s still two weeks away” poppycock....glad to see you using a talking point straight from Pelosi and Schumer! The Democrats have been banging that particular drum for fucking weeks and you Trumpkins and your orange lord have been shouting that down as fake news and acting like they were piled 15 deep in El Caminos pouring over the border as we slept.

But now that the midterms are done and there’s no one left to scare to the polls, it’s “they’re still two weeks away”.

Nope. You don’t get to pull that shit now. You started this game running the wishbone, you don’t get to switch to the spread because you’re getting your ass beat.

So, I’ll ask again - why aren’t y’all holding Trump accountable for abandoning this issue? He played on your fears and internalized racism. And since it didn’t work and never really mattered, he’s not going to do shit about it and he never really gave a shit.

You got played.

Are y’all really this......weak?

 

Funny how fearful beliefs produce cowards.

[Chrispy 132]

33 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Why would you type in what you think is in a “black” dialect?

That’s pretty racist.



And now y’all give me lame answers like “Trump had a busy weekend” and “The caravan is still two weeks away, he’ll get back to it when it’s closer to our border”???

You lying, hypocritical, pussy motherfuckers.

Trump spent every damn day leading up to the midterms tweeting BIG MAD SCARY tweets about the caravan but then Trumpublicans got their nuts fed to them by the electorate.

For the “He had a busy weekend” nonsense;

-He has time to tweet about deadly wildfires being California’s fault but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to tweet that Florida should stop counting absentee ballots even though the active duty service member deadline isn’t until 11/16 but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to hide from the rain and ditch a WWI remembrance ceremony in Paris and spend the day AWOL in his hotel, show up two hours late for a state dinner but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

As for the “It’s still two weeks away” poppycock....glad to see you using a talking point straight from Pelosi and Schumer! The Democrats have been banging that particular drum for fucking weeks and you Trumpkins and your orange lord have been shouting that down as fake news and acting like they were piled 15 deep in El Caminos pouring over the border as we slept.

But now that the midterms are done and there’s no one left to scare to the polls, it’s “they’re still two weeks away”.

Nope. You don’t get to pull that shit now. You started this game running the wishbone, you don’t get to switch to the spread because you’re getting your ass beat.

So, I’ll ask again - why aren’t y’all holding Trump accountable for abandoning this issue? He played on your fears and internalized racism. And since it didn’t work and never really mattered, he’s not going to do shit about it and he never really gave a shit.

You got played.

Are y’all really this......weak?

 

He deployed the military to our border to help deal with the matter, now we play the waiting game. By we I mean those of us that live in Texas and are actually affected by illegal aliens, rather than, say, an Alabama. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Well, according to the most recent stats from Pew Research undocumented immigrants make up 3% of Alabama’s population and 6% of Texas’s population.

By virtue of the vast difference in raw population numbers, that’s a big difference but as a percentage it’s not as big a gap as you are assuming it to be.

And up until 2011, Alabama had a much larger undocumented population. Then our ever effective legislature passed “the toughest immigration law in the country” - which failed. Spectacularly.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama/amp

How America's harshest immigration law failed
12/16/13 03:30PM — UPDATED 05/09/14 03:51PM
By Benjy Sarlin

“Illegal is illegal.” With that rallying cry, Alabama passed HB 56 in 2011, the harshest state immigration law in the country.

The lead sponsor of the bill boasted to state representatives that the law "attacks every aspect of an illegal alien's life.” Among its key provisions: landlords were banned from renting homes to undocumented immigrants, schools had to check students' legal status, and police were required to arrest suspected immigration violators. Even giving unauthorized immigrants a ride became a crime.

The vast scope of the law turned Alabama into an unprecedented test for the anti-immigration movement. If self-deportation didn’t work there, it’s hard to imagine where it could. Early reports suggested success: undocumented immigrants appeared to flee Alabama en masse. But two years later, HB 56 is in ruins. Its most far-reaching elements have proved unconstitutional, unworkable, or politically unsustainable. Elected officials, social workers, clergy, activists, and residents say an initial immigrant evacuation that roiled their communities ended long ago. Many who fled have returned to their old homes.

Now Alabama is back where it started, waiting for a solution from Washington that may never come.

When HB 56 passed, Albertville—where the booming poultry industry had attracted thousands of immigrants from Mexico and Central America—quickly became the national face of the crackdown. From 2000 to 2010, the number of unauthorized immigrants in Alabama jumped from an estimated 25,000 to 120,000, as migrants flocked to jobs in agriculture, meatpacking, and construction.
Supporters of Alabama’s law argued it was necessary because Congress had repeatedly failed to pass a workable immigration policy of its own. "The illegals in this country are ripping us off," state representative Kerry Rich, who represents Albertville, told reporters the day HB 56 passed. "If we wait for the federal government to put this fire out, our house is going to burn down.”

That concern drove Alabama to pass the nation's toughest legislation but it is not alone in its desire to stem the flow of undocumented workers. Arizona, Georgia, and South Carolina have all passed similar laws over the last three years and legislatures around the country are debating more immigration-related bills.

If Congress once again fails to pass reform, more states will be tempted to fill the void with measures aimed at either integrating their immigrant communities or kicking them out. But as Alabama’s bitter experiment confirms, a go-it-alone approach is no substitute for a federal solution.

Car Crash

It took just six weeks after HB 56 went into effect for state legislators to start having second thoughts about their actions.

On November 16, 2011, police in Tuscaloosa stopped a driver for not having the proper tag on his rental car. Normally, this would have been a minor citation. But the driver did not have a license on him, only a German ID card, and that triggered what was supposed to be HB 56’s most powerful weapon against illegal immigration. Under the law, police were now required to arrest the man, haul him to court, and detain him until federal immigration authorities determined his fate, no matter how long that took.

As it turned out, the driver was an executive at Mercedes-Benz. The European car giant was one of several foreign auto companies in the state whose plants provide thousands of much-needed jobs.
The incident was soon followed by another traffic arrest involving a Japanese Honda worker. Together, the auto blow-ups sparked an outcry from the business community, who feared companies would pull out of the state. Pouring salt on the wound, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran an editorial inviting Mercedes to move their operations to the “Show-Me State” instead of the "Show me your papers" state.

More unintended consequences emerged, this time from the religious community. Churches complained the law’s ban on providing aid to undocumented immigrants could criminalize everything from soup kitchens to Spanish-language Sunday services.

“They were going to change Bible school into border patrol,” Scott Douglas, executive director of Greater Birmingham Ministries, told msnbc. “We had fewer Spanish-speaking congregants coming to our organization for help."

At courthouses, simple tasks like renewing one’s vehicle tags now required proof of legal status, which generated long lines for citizens and non-citizens alike. Utilities were unsure whether they needed to cut off service to residents who couldn’t prove citizenship.

"People couldn't get power or water, it was crazy,” Jeremy Love, an immigration attorney in Birmingham, recalled. “It got resolved, but it took pressure. I'd call managers and tell them it was a civil rights violation."

County attorneys even questioned whether residents needed papers to use their public swimming pool – an uncomfortable prospect in a state still haunted by the legacy of segregation.

Silencio

There was some irony to the problems public servants' rigorous implementation of the law had created. When lawmakers first passed HB 56, they were actually concerned that police might refuse to enforce it.

A number of police chiefs and sheriffs had strongly opposed the must-arrest provisions because they lacked the manpower to carry them out. Small town departments with just a few officers on staff were suddenly expected to devote hours of work to individual traffic stops that used to take 20 minutes to resolve. The departments also had to pay to keep suspected undocumented immigrants in jail while federal authorities looked into each case.

"I have a problem fundamentally with placing someone in jail over a traffic citation,” Brian Stillwell, chief of police in immigrant-heavy Clanton, told msnbc. He recalled one particularly frustrating instance in which he was forced to detain a nursing mother in a holding cell over a minor auto violation.

Doug Pollard, Albertville’s muscle-bound and mustachioed police chief, actually saw some positives in the new law when it passed. In recent years, buses had been caught in the area dropping off dozens of undocumented workers from Mexico and he found it easier now to coordinate with Immigration and Customs to resolve the cases.

But he quickly faced a new problem: Albertville’s Hispanic community stopped talking to the police – about anything.

“If they had a crime committed against them they used to come to us,” Pollard said. “Then this new law came out and they got scared. ”

Nothing in the law demanded police check the legal status of crime victims or witnesses, a fact Pollard desperately relayed to residents in media appearances, church meetings, and town halls. In fact, the federal government offers temporary visas to crime victims to encourage them to talk. But he couldn’t break the fear. Some residents started carrying “rights cards” stating their intention to remain silent, which they’d hand to officers as soon as they were stopped.

Love, the immigration attorney, said he had clients who were warned, incorrectly by police, that they’d have to reveal their legal status to report a crime. Clanton police officer Neil Fetner, who became the town’s unofficial expert on the law, said he frequently fielded calls from other departments confused by the requirements.

“There were a lot of false interpretations of the law -- and then it would change or the courts would rule again,” Fetner said. “For a while it was memorandum city.”

The Law Shrinks

Politicians, tired of complaints from business, police, religious leaders and more, quickly called for changes.

“I’ve learned in life that if you make a mistake, you should be man enough to admit it,” Republican state senator Gerald Dial, who voted for the law, said shortly after the Mercedes arrest.

But fixing it meant backtracking on one of the central pillars of the law. Politicians were so eager to arrest undocumented immigrants that they included a provision empowering citizens to sue individual officers caught shirking their enforcement duties.

Seven months after the law went into effect, the state legislature passed a round of revisions. No longer were police required to arrest people for failing to produce a license and state residents could no longer sue them as easily. The new law also weakened requirements that residents show proof of legal status when dealing with the state, ending the mass confusion that had roiled state utility companies, courthouses, and other public offices.
By this point, however, lawsuits by the Justice Department, civil rights groups, and Alabama churches were already blocking large chunks of the remaining law.

In October 2011, less than two weeks after a judge let HB 56 go into effect, a federal appeals court temporarily halted its requirement that schools ask about students’ legal status – a prime driver of the initial panic. Meanwhile, Arizona’s SB 1070, the model for Alabama’s law, wound its way to the Supreme Court, where justices blocked police from detaining people just because they suspected they were undocumented, one of several key provisions they struck down.

In an effective act of surrender, Alabama settled its various lawsuits in October 2013 and coughed up $350,000 to cover their opponents’ legal bills. The rulings that forced their hand created precedents that will foil similar laws even faster should they arise.

“Alabama illustrated that illegal immigrants will respond to changed incentives,” Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies and a backer of HB 56, told msnbc. “But states can’t follow through on those changes if the federal government is actively fighting them.”

Still Here

For Alabama's immigrant communities, the early days of HB 56 were a harrowing experience.

"It was like a disease,” Jose Contreras, who owns a Hispanic grocery store in Albertville, recalled. “Everyone was panicking and leaving.”

But as provision after provision fell, it became clear that the original goal of the law – to expel the state’s undocumented immigrants – was not going to happen.

Interviews with a wide variety of groups, from residents, to advocates on the ground, elected officials to church leaders, suggest that the initial exodus of immigrants after HB 56 took effect was short lived.

"When it first went effect, people were afraid to go outside,” said Father Tim Pfander, whose St. William Catholic Church attracts hundreds of Latino worshippers. “Today, I think they've seen how it's enforced and are carrying on with the laws."

Few metrics can capture how the changes have impacted the community. But in Albertville, officials noted that the size and demographic breakdown of the town’s public school classes are mostly similar to what they were before HB 56. The story is similar statewide.

According to Alabama’s education department, the number of Hispanic students rose last year even as the overall student population declined. That wasn’t the plan. Proponents of the law had wanted to decrease the Spanish-speaking population, complaining that immigrant children were dragging down the school system.

While the restrictions eased over time, the initial passage of the law caused enough hardship to scar the immigrant community. Many recalled police roadblocks around their neighborhoods and said they adjusted their schedules to avoid unnecessary car trips. Some reported verbal abuse from strangers telling them to go home to Mexico. Longtime residents deferred opportunities for fear of the new law’s consequences.

“My daughter’s American and she had a scholarship to go to a state university, but we couldn't let her go and she lost it,” said Rebecca Maciel, who moved to Alabama 17 years ago with her husband. “If they picked us up who would take care of her siblings?”

Vincente Gonzales blamed the law for forcing his wife out of a job after her employer cracked down on undocumented hires. Unable to work his usual construction jobs due to failing kidneys, Gonzales said his son also deferred acceptance at a state university to help support the family.

But after 18 years on U.S. soil, he laughed when asked whether he’d consider moving back to Mexico.

“Our lives are here already,” Gonzales said. “Besides, Hispanics have a fighting heart.”

Despite their difficulties, immigrants said their primary motive for staying was the hope that their children, many of whom were born in Alabama and have thick southern accents to prove it, would find success.

“My daughters are 7 and 4 and they ask why we don't leave if they treat us so badly,” Natividad Gonzalez, an activist with the Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice, said in an interview. “All I can say is: ‘This is your home.’ They’re what motived me to stay, because I know they're protected. Maybe not me, maybe not my husband, but they are.”

By contrast, their old hometowns in Mexico are not only economically stagnant, but dangerous enough that they almost consider themselves refugees. Many come from cities plagued by drug violence, and they fear their extended time in America would make them obvious kidnapping targets.

“I’d only go there to die,” Gonzales said.

The Wave Passes

HB 56’s authors have defended the remaining law’s value, pointing to certain provisions that remained intact including a requirement that companies check new hires’ legal status against a federal database. They credit HB 56 with a drop in unemployment in recent years, although economists in the state argue that it’s unrelated. Police can still check the immigration status of people they pull over even though they are limited in their ability to detain them.

Among state and local officials, the anti-immigration fever that led to the law’s passage has substantially subsided.

In 2008, Albertville’s local elections were dominated by calls to stop illegal immigration. But by the time the 2012 elections rolled around, the main proponents of the anti-immigration push, Councilman Chuck Ellis and Mayor Lindsey Lyons, were voted out of office along with every incumbent except Council president Nathan Broadhurst. Immigration was barely an issue in the race.

Broadhurst, along with current Mayor Tracy Honea, takes a more moderate stance on the issue. He said a turning point for the city government was when Kris Kobach, the Kansas Secretary of State considered the intellectual force behind self-deportation, offered his services to help them sue businesses for profiting off illegal labor. The council voted his proposal down 3-2.

“The majority of us felt like it was counterproductive to try and go after local industries,” Broadhurst said. “Especially industries that are so vital to the tax base of the city.”

Honea and Broadhurst believe Albertville has reached a detente as the city’s different communities interact more.

"Certainly I think it changes the dynamics of a town,” Honea said of the last two decades of immigration. “But I think the community as a whole has grown and learned a lot. For the most part they’ve embraced the reality of what it is.”

After two years of turmoil, undocumented immigrants aren’t leaving Alabama. But they still live in fear of deportation and have no obvious way of becoming full-fledged Americans.

“I think God brought us to this country for a reason,” Yaneth Rangel, who emigrated from Veracruz, said. “We need an amnesty. We need a solution.”

Now that article is from five years ago but multiple communities in Alabama have been dealing with these issues for years as a result of that shortsighted law and we have a lot larger immigrant population than most people realize.

So maybe hit up your Google and do a little research before smarting off and acting like someone doesn’t know about an issue just because their situation doesn’t fit your narrow worldview and outdated stereotypes.

[Celery Man 20882]

you better clutch your pearls tight if you go to Market Street

[Celery Man 20882]

Bold move of Trump to dump the Secretary of Homeland Security nigh on the eve of the great invasion.  Courageous, even.

[HenryJames 65887]

1 hour ago, Chrispy said:

He deployed the military to our border to help deal with the matter, now we play the waiting game. By we I mean those of us that live in Texas and are actually affected by illegal aliens, rather than, say, an Alabama. 

Flick says he saw some illegal aliens near Pulaski's candy store!

[Chrispy 132]

55 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Well, according to the most recent stats from Pew Research undocumented immigrants make up 3% of Alabama’s population and 6% of Texas’s population.

By virtue of the vast difference in raw population numbers, that’s a big difference but as a percentage it’s not as big a gap as you are assuming it to be.

And up until 2011, Alabama had a much larger undocumented population. Then our ever effective legislature passed “the toughest immigration law in the country” - which failed. Spectacularly.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama/amp
 

 

Now that article is from five years ago but multiple communities in Alabama have been dealing with these issues for years as a result of that shortsighted law and we have a lot larger immigrant population than most people realize.

So maybe hit up your Google and do a little research before smarting off and acting like someone doesn’t know about an issue just because their situation doesn’t fit your narrow worldview and outdated stereotypes.

 

When it gets into the millions, you’ll have a leg to stand on. Until then, your virtue signaling from bumfuck Alabama means shit to me. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Chrispy said:

He deployed the military to our border to help deal with the matter, now we play the waiting game. By we I mean those of us that live in Texas and are actually affected by illegal aliens, rather than, say, an Alabama. 

Your fake internet persona claims to live in the woodlands. You are about as affected by illegals coming from Mexico as some dude in Oregon is, which is not at all. Unless you have one mow your fake lawn for cheap. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

10 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

When it gets into the millions, you’ll have a leg to stand on. Until then, your virtue signaling from bumfuck Alabama means shit to me. 

Chrispy troll! You poor thing. 

[Chrispy 132]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Your fake internet persona claims to live in the woodlands. You are about as affected by illegals coming from Mexico as some dude in Oregon is, which is not at all. Unless you have one mow your fake lawn for cheap. 

Wrong, an illegal alien slammed into my wife’s SUV last year and attempted to take off due to lack of insurance (shocking, I know), but was followed by a good hearted citizen. They’re all over the place here and you don’t have to look very hard. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

11 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Wrong, an illegal alien slammed into my wife’s SUV last year and attempted to take off due to lack of insurance (shocking, I know), but was followed by a good hearted citizen. They’re all over the place here and you don’t have to look very hard. 

That’s a good story there. Hits all the right buttons. Was it a maroon SUV with a big ole SEC sticker on the back?

Also you forgot to mention the illegal alien was drunk and you suspect part of ISIS. That enhances the story.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Also, I’m curious. How many illegals are there in the woodlands and how do you distinguish them from people here legally?

[Celery Man 20882]

nanny or lawn guy and it happened during the day

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

38 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Wrong, an illegal alien slammed into my wife’s SUV last year and attempted to take off due to lack of insurance (shocking, I know), but was followed by a good hearted citizen. They’re all over the place here and you don’t have to look very hard. 

LOL, oh yes the old 'illegals are here committing CRIMES!' war cry.  Get over yourself, pussy.  Such a scared tittybaby.  I'm sure your family is proud to have some two bit pussy 'protecting' them from the perils of being around minorities.  Fuck you. 

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

40 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Wrong, an illegal alien slammed into my wife’s SUV last year and attempted to take off due to lack of insurance (shocking, I know), but was followed by a good hearted citizen. They’re all over the place here and you don’t have to look very hard. 

Oh yes, you can see them with your eyes.  You racist fucking piece of shit.  There's tens of thousands of illegal easten europeans here in IL and you know how many of your type have a problem with them?  You know how many times ICE raids their neighborhoods vs hispanic ones?  You have shown yourself to be a racist piece of shit.  The new 'conservative' movement.  Vomit

[Chrispy 132]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL, oh yes the old 'illegals are here committing CRIMES!' war cry.  Get over yourself, pussy.  Such a scared tittybaby.  I'm sure your family is proud to have some two bit pussy 'protecting' them from the perils of being around minorities.  Fuck you. 

I doubt they commit crimes at a higher rate, I was merely disputing his notion that it doesn’t affect me. There’s no fear involved, other than my two young children being shaken up, but my wife kept her wits. 

[Chrispy 132]

14 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Oh yes, you can see them with your eyes.  You racist fucking piece of shit.  There's tens of thousands of illegal easten europeans here in IL and you know how many of your type have a problem with them?  You know how many times ICE raids their neighborhoods vs hispanic ones?  You have shown yourself to be a racist piece of shit.  The new 'conservative' movement.  Vomit

You go to any neighborhood in my area and there are plenty of illegals doing some kind of work. I know this because I know the individuals that hired them for their cheap labor. So, label me a racist, but it’s the truth, they’re not difficult to find. 

[Celery Man 20882]

how would you describe the effect that that has had on you

[Chrispy 132]

37 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

how would you describe the effect that that has had on you

A decent amount, unless you consider not claiming one’s income or driving around illegally no big deal. Them using our ER’s as their primary care physician is also a pain in the ass. 

[TexLonghorn 5590]

4 hours ago, Chrispy said:

He deployed the military to our border to help deal with the matter, now we play the waiting game. 

And boy, are these guys being treated well while they're waiting, or what?

Troops deployed to U.S.-Mexico border lack hot food, electricity

 

A U.S. soldier at a border crossing in Donna, Texas, on Nov. 6. Photo: Andrew Cullen/AFP/Getty Images

The midterms are over. But the 5,600 American troops sent to the southern border with Mexico are "still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls," the New York Times reports.

What's happening: Troops at the border are sleeping in tents that house 20 soldiers and have no electricity or air conditioning, with some suffering heat exhaustion within days of starting the mission. There's no mess hall — only pre-made "Ready-to-Eat" meals — and the only phone chargers available are attached to "a few generators that power spotlights around the living area." Department of Defense officials worry that if the number of troops increases to 15,000, the cost could be as high as $200 million.

Edited November 13, 2018 by TexLonghorn

[Bama Chick 28596]

And yet, none of you leaking pussies crying about the scary caravan have answered my question.

 

Why aren’t you holding Trump accountable for abandoning this very, very important issue?

 

PS - Did your friends pay and file the correct taxes on those folks they hired?

 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Why would you type in what you think is in a “black” dialect?

That’s pretty racist.



And now y’all give me lame answers like “Trump had a busy weekend” and “The caravan is still two weeks away, he’ll get back to it when it’s closer to our border”???

You lying, hypocritical, pussy motherfuckers.

Trump spent every damn day leading up to the midterms tweeting BIG MAD SCARY tweets about the caravan but then Trumpublicans got their nuts fed to them by the electorate.

For the “He had a busy weekend” nonsense;

-He has time to tweet about deadly wildfires being California’s fault but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to tweet that Florida should stop counting absentee ballots even though the active duty service member deadline isn’t until 11/16 but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

-He has time to hide from the rain and ditch a WWI remembrance ceremony in Paris and spend the day AWOL in his hotel, show up two hours late for a state dinner but he’s too busy to tweet about the caravan anymore.

As for the “It’s still two weeks away” poppycock....glad to see you using a talking point straight from Pelosi and Schumer! The Democrats have been banging that particular drum for fucking weeks and you Trumpkins and your orange lord have been shouting that down as fake news and acting like they were piled 15 deep in El Caminos pouring over the border as we slept.

But now that the midterms are done and there’s no one left to scare to the polls, it’s “they’re still two weeks away”.

Nope. You don’t get to pull that shit now. You started this game running the wishbone, you don’t get to switch to the spread because you’re getting your ass beat.

So, I’ll ask again - why aren’t y’all holding Trump accountable for abandoning this issue? He played on your fears and internalized racism. And since it didn’t work and never really mattered, he’s not going to do shit about it and he never really gave a shit.

You got played.

Are y’all really this......weak?

 

My point was NOT that your asking these questions is stupid, I think they are valid questions and should be raised. It was more commentary on how stupid and weak it is to dismiss with the “just asking questions” snark whenever someone actually is asking valid, if a bit uncomfortable, questions. To me it’s the same thing as just saying “troll” because someone has a different worldview or belief system or ideology. It’s stupid and weak, so I take every opportunity to call out those two things (and the third being what I believe is a mischaracterization and demonization of “both sides”) when I can.

Perhaps my white privilege or institutional racism is showing, and I apologize, because I didn’t mean for the way I wrote to necessarily sound “black” but instead “stupid” as in what ignorant people would say. Because it’s an ignorant line to use when someone, again like yourself here, is asking good questions.

All that being said, I think Trump has gotten himself into some messes this week and isn’t as free to stream-of-conscious tweet about things that come to him between McDonald’s meals. He’s literally the Facebook grandpa when he is that way and it’s both hilariously apropos and sad/inappropriate at the same time. Maybe you’ll say I see both sides, there.

[Celery Man 20882]

6 hours ago, Chrispy said:

A decent amount, unless you consider not claiming one’s income or driving around illegally no big deal. Them using our ER’s as their primary care physician is also a pain in the ass. 

these don't strike me as things that jimmy, being in Alabama or wherever, would be incapable of wrapping his head around.  the way you were talking, I though you were going to describe mobs of illegal Mexicans chest bumping people with impunity outside of Aeropostale.  Hopefully the troops that are going to miss Thanksgiving with their families understand what is at stake here.

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 hour ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Perhaps my white privilege or institutional racism is showing, and I apologize, because I didn’t mean for the way I wrote to necessarily sound “black” but instead “stupid” as in what ignorant people would say. Because it’s an ignorant line to use when someone, again like yourself here, is asking good questions.

*dancing around in blackface, juggling watermelons*

"Wait... you think I'm being racist? Well, actually lots of people like watermelon..."

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

And yet, none of you leaking pussies crying about the scary caravan have answered my question.

 

Why aren’t you holding Trump accountable for abandoning this very, very important issue?

 

PS - Did your friends pay and file the correct taxes on those folks they hired?

 

Sorry to interrupt your feel good rant for your fans , but did the military leave the border?  Has the caravan been reduced drastically?  Did Mexico actually make an effort to get those in the Caravan to apply for asylum in Mexico?

From 10k to 3500. I’d say that is a win.  Trump’s crazy tweets actually made a difference and lessened the “crisis”.  If in another 1000 miles 7k show up in mass in a month and Trump says nothing, then you might actually have the point you claim.  It’s nice to know you will be foaming at the mouth for another month until we see how it plays out.

But carry on, make that victory T Shirt. 

[Celery Man 20882]

2 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Sorry to interrupt your feel good rant for your fans , but did the military leave the border?  Has the caravan been reduced drastically?  Did Mexico actually make an effort to get those in the Caravan to apply for asylum in Mexico?

 From 10k to 3500. I’d say that is a win.  Trump’s crazy tweets actually made a difference and lessened the “crisis”.  If in another 1000 miles 7k show up in mass in a month and Trump says nothing, then you might actually have the point you claim.  It’s nice to know you will be foaming at the mouth for another month until we see how it plays out.

But carry on, make that victory T Shirt. 

 

[Chrispy 132]

6 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

And boy, are these guys being treated well while they're waiting, or what?

Troops deployed to U.S.-Mexico border lack hot food, electricity

 

A U.S. soldier at a border crossing in Donna, Texas, on Nov. 6. Photo: Andrew Cullen/AFP/Getty Images

The midterms are over. But the 5,600 American troops sent to the southern border with Mexico are "still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls," the New York Times reports.

What's happening: Troops at the border are sleeping in tents that house 20 soldiers and have no electricity or air conditioning, with some suffering heat exhaustion within days of starting the mission. There's no mess hall — only pre-made "Ready-to-Eat" meals — and the only phone chargers available are attached to "a few generators that power spotlights around the living area." Department of Defense officials worry that if the number of troops increases to 15,000, the cost could be as high as $200 million.

Troops have it rough no matter where they’re deployed, I respect the hell out of every single one of them. 

[Celery Man 20882]

3 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Troops have it rough no matter where they’re deployed, I respect the hell out of every single one of them. 

do you know where the troops who are now at the border were before Trump sent them to go wait at the border?

[RomaVicta 29775]

6 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

And boy, are these guys being treated well while they're waiting, or what?

Troops deployed to U.S.-Mexico border lack hot food, electricity

 

A U.S. soldier at a border crossing in Donna, Texas, on Nov. 6. Photo: Andrew Cullen/AFP/Getty Images

The midterms are over. But the 5,600 American troops sent to the southern border with Mexico are "still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls," the New York Times reports.

What's happening: Troops at the border are sleeping in tents that house 20 soldiers and have no electricity or air conditioning, with some suffering heat exhaustion within days of starting the mission. There's no mess hall — only pre-made "Ready-to-Eat" meals — and the only phone chargers available are attached to "a few generators that power spotlights around the living area." Department of Defense officials worry that if the number of troops increases to 15,000, the cost could be as high as $200 million.

A small price to pay to keep our women and children safe from the invaders.

 

[Chrispy 132]

2 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

do you know where the troops who are now at the border were before Trump sent them to go wait at the border?

I’d have to go back and read the link I shared earlier in the thread, there were many units involved. 

[Celery Man 20882]

ok. well your previous statement is wrong, twice.

[Chrispy 132]

Just now, Celery Man said:

ok. well your previous statement is wrong, twice.

I’m not sure which statement you’re referencing, please be more specific. 

[Celery Man 20882]

17 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Troops have it rough no matter where they’re deployed, I respect the hell out of every single one of them. 

 

[Chrispy 132]

1 minute ago, Celery Man said:

 

It’s the truth, being a soldier is tough. It means time away from the family and less than ideal conditions. 

[Celery Man 20882]

the comment was in response to an article detailing less than ideal conditions where the troops are now stationed after Trump's Caravan strategy with the election.  Not all conditions for enlisted men and women are equal.  For example, where they live versus in a tent in the valley.  Respecting the hell out of the troops is not consistent with using them for a political ploy and then forgetting about them when the moment passes, or justifying that with ludicrously thin arguments about the threat of ER misuse and uninsured driving.

[MissingInAction 24810]

 

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It’s the truth, being a soldier is tough. It means time away from the family and less than ideal conditions. 

 

Wow, what an insight into the life of a soldier. Please STFU. You are an embarrassment. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by MissingInAction

[Chrispy 132]

17 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

the comment was in response to an article detailing less than ideal conditions where the troops are now stationed after Trump's Caravan strategy with the election.  Not all conditions for enlisted men and women are equal.  For example, where they live versus in a tent in the valley.  Respecting the hell out of the troops is not consistent with using them for a political ploy and then forgetting about them when the moment passes, or justifying that with ludicrously thin arguments about the threat of ER misuse and uninsured driving.

True, it’s all relative. My good friend did two tours in Iraq, he views this as a “cake detail”, but I’m not quite that harsh. The rhetoric was dialed up for the election, that’s nothing new, but I’m glad our border control is being given the support they desperately need. Some of us are tired of our broken border, you clearly aren’t, and that’s fine. 

[CowboyFred 1151]

4 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

True, it’s all relative. My good friend did two tours in Iraq, he views this as a “cake detail”, but I’m not quite that harsh. The rhetoric was dialed up for the election, that’s nothing new, but I’m glad our border control is being given the support they desperately need. Some of us are tired of our broken border, you clearly aren’t, and that’s fine. 

They don’t desperately need it you dunce.  There’s no broken border.  Have you been there?  There’s plenty of CBP officials at the port of entry in Laredo and available if need be.  There are sufficient border patrol agents stationed in Laredo and the surrounding areas.  This was a political stunt and nothing else.

[Celery Man 20882]

Disagree on the last point (that I'm "not tired of our broken border").  I think if we stopped trying to address things punitively*, spent resources on being able to correctly handle incoming asylum requests, and for the types of issues that you bring up create a worker visa program where people who want to come here to earn money for their families can do so and go back home and we can be aware of them - we would improve things greatly.  I don't agree that this is support that the border desperately needs, and I suspect you'll say "we'll see", but I also suspect that whatever facts arise will not stand in the way of people aligned with your views seeing this as a successful and worthy mission.

 

*across the board btw in a lot of more social areas not related to immigration as well as this one.  obviously not talking about violent crimes or real criminal actions

[Chrispy 132]

8 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

They don’t desperately need it you dunce.  There’s no broken border.  Have you been there?  There’s plenty of CBP officials at the port of entry in Laredo and available if need be.  There are sufficient border patrol agents stationed in Laredo and the surrounding areas.  This was a political stunt and nothing else.

Wow, I guess those millions of illegal aliens were just the lucky few that made it past that fiercely protected border. 

[Horn21 168]

I’d wager that as a group, evangelical Christians are more afraid of illegal aliens (but in reality, more broadly, people who aren’t white) than any other demographic.

The truth is that the GOP looks nothing like Jesus, and they’ve largely abandoned his teachings. They are perfectly content to take their marching orders from their party leaders rather than their savior.

[CowboyFred 1151]

23 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Wow, I guess those millions of illegal aliens were just the lucky few that made it past that fiercely protected border. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/05/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-economy-texas-chase-away

 

so less than maybe 1.2 million more immigrants in Texas in about 10 years...I’d also wager that a large percentage of the undocumented immigrants entered legally but overstayed their visas.  Also why aren’t you up in arms about your neighbors constantly hiring them for work? 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Horn21 said:

I’d wager that as a group, evangelical Christians are more afraid of illegal aliens (but in reality, more broadly, people who aren’t white) than any other demographic.

The truth is that the GOP looks nothing like Jesus, and they’ve largely abandoned his teachings. They are perfectly content to take their marching orders from their party leaders rather than their savior.

Agree with this.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

*dancing around in blackface, juggling watermelons*

"Wait... you think I'm being racist? Well, actually lots of people like watermelon..."

Aren't you the guy who constantly spouts off "LIAR!" "Damn LIAR!" and "I DIDNT SAY THAT! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT LIAR!" to people who use analogies or exaggerated absurdisms to  try and point back the things you say, to you? Yet, here we are, with me juggling watermelons at a KA party, in your mind.

[Chrispy 132]

6 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/05/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-economy-texas-chase-away

 

so less than maybe 1.2 million more immigrants in Texas in about 10 years...I’d also wager that a large percentage of the undocumented immigrants entered legally but overstayed their visas.  Also why aren’t you up in arms about your neighbors constantly hiring them for work? 

There’s benefits to dirt cheap labor, of course, that’s why people keep hiring them. That doesnt change the fact that they are here illegally. What would you have me say to my neighbors to change their mind? 

[Celery Man 20882]

"hey stop being a hypocrite"

changing the law to reflect and work with what we want (as evidenced by even all of the virulently anti-migrant people's actions) and what they want is a much superior solution compared to committing humanitarian atrocities to pander for votes (referring to the separations, although Trump literally encouraged the soldiers he sent to the border to gun down anyone who throws a rock).

Edited November 13, 2018 by Celery Man

[CowboyFred 1151]

11 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

There’s benefits to dirt cheap labor, of course, that’s why people keep hiring them. That doesnt change the fact that they are here illegally. What would you have me say to my neighbors to change their mind? 

But you and your people are so against it, so why do you keep taking advantage of it?  I would have you report them for hiring those unauthorized to work here.  I mean they’re such bad people, right?