Texas Player Leadership For the Future

[LTtxfan 49323]

Who are the alpha players that provide leadership for 2019 & 2020 Seasons??

Not trying to start a Rant Thread.... But wonder who steps forward as the leaders in next few years......

Obviously Sam & Collin (If he stays).  Maybe Roach & Shark?

Might see some of the 2018 Class step forward as leaders.....

Floyd in the 2019 Class seems like a Dawg.....

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Going through the 2 deep, I don't find much leadership in the Sophomore and Junior Classes

Just seems like the current Senior leadership has at times struggled this Season.....

Edited November 1, 2018 by LTtxfan

[coachkiss 166]

Leaders will surprise you.  No one expected Andrew Beck to be a leader.  More leaders are made in the winter and spring and summer than in the fall.  You will find out who the leaders are after conditioning starts back up.

[bluto 4934]

Not saying these based on skill and also assuming they stay...

shackelford and LJH. I could see chris brown, dude seems like a high energy team player type

[LTtxfan 49323]

17 minutes ago, coachkiss said:

Leaders will surprise you.  No one expected Andrew Beck to be a leader.  More leaders are made in the winter and spring and summer than in the fall.  You will find out who the leaders are after conditioning starts back up.

No doubt....

Just find myself thinking about the poor performance at Okie Lite and wondering how this Team can improve on the Road.  While Coaches deserve part of the blame..... So do the players.   Hold each other accountable..... have more maturity and discipline as players.  Way too many mental mistakes against Okie Lite..... Lack of Focus and Lack of Execution

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 Saban's famous comments about player's mental preparation below....

A question about first-quarter three-and-outs triggered Saban's response.

"We just didn't play as well tonight and you have to give them a lot of credit for it," Saban began.

Then a pause.

"I'm trying to get our players to listen to me instead of listening to you guys," Saban said. "All that stuff you write about how good we are. All that stuff they hear on ESPN. It's like poison.

"It's like taking poison.

"Like rat poison."

Edited November 1, 2018 by LTtxfan

[Tired of Lurking 637]

Ehlinger, Shackleford, and Collin or LJ (if they stay) are shoe-ins for captains next year. On defense, I will go with Roach or McCullough and Jones.

[Jkwellborn 6714]

There’s a difference between being a captain and a leader.

[Sgt Hulk 13815]

Sterns, Foster, LJH

[texifornia 57033]

From the hints IT has been dropping, anyone thinking LJH wants to play school for another year has another thing coming.

(Nothing bad, just he really wants to go pro)

[kingkoopa6 8377]

[Marfa Low Crown 2547]

Seems easily fixed with a team motto. We should try that sometime

[Jkwellborn 6714]

Seems easily fixed with a team motto. We should try that sometime

Should we also use wrist bands with it on there?

I think Foster winds up as a leader before he leaves.

[randygilman 643]

I have 200 things on my list more important than 2020 leaders. There are some people who might be leaders who aren't even on the Texas roster right now.

[Machinator 32099]

LJH, the guy who has been forced to sit out part or all of a game not once but twice for violating team rules, a leader?

[Jkwellborn 6714]

People can’t change huh?

[HoustonHorn 1062]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

LJH, the guy who has been forced to sit out part or all of a game not once but twice for violating team rules, a leader? 

absolutely this. I love LJH, but between his missing a series for missing a team meeting and the starting senior corners being benched for a quarter, it was pretty obvious the "seniority" was not 100% focused on the OSU game. This team needs "leaders" more than it needs upperclassmen. Hopefully the 2018 class steps up after the year and really leads since they aren't newcomers anymore.

[LTtxfan 49323]

3 hours ago, HoustonHorn said:

absolutely this. I love LJH, but between his missing a series for missing a team meeting and the starting senior corners being benched for a quarter, it was pretty obvious the "seniority" was not 100% focused on the OSU game. This team needs "leaders" more than it needs upperclassmen. Hopefully the 2018 class steps up after the year and really leads since they aren't newcomers anymore.

+1000

Unfortunate that Wheeler was late to a lift earlier this week..... Sounds like an honest mistake, but still need the older players to get their act together.

On a positive note, saw on "All Access" Senior Tre Watson providing encouragement to the other players during halftime of Okie Lite game.....

[mr. sunshine 2830]

3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

People can’t change huh?

Yeah it’s almost been a whole week 

Edited November 2, 2018 by mr. sunshine

[pyrohornIII 4817]

Something in me tells me Patrick Hudson and Keontay Ingram will fill some leadership roles. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

Just now, pyrohornIII said:

Something in me tells me Patrick Hudson and Keontay Ingram will fill some leadership roles. 

Will Hudson ever play football again?

[pyrohornIII 4817]

1 minute ago, Casual Encounter said:

Will Hudson ever play football again?

I hope so.  He certainly came in as a good guy with a ton of upside.  I hope he gets to show it.  

 

[Jkwellborn 6714]

Has anyone this century ever came back from that type of situation and played again?

[Zavala 1384]

Need to find another Poona, Blalock, Studdard, Muckelroy, Orakpo.... basically if they want to make the trenches the focus they need some killers in there. Those guys who are serious about playing pro ball, with the big boys it's not so much about skills and talent. It is about playing team ball, doing your job, never quitting, working hard, and training well to stay healthy. Sure I want us to be DBU again, but more importantly running down people's throats and blowing up their running game, getting some heat on QBs...

[LTtxfan 49323]

1 hour ago, Zavala said:

Need to find another Poona, Blalock, Studdard, Muckelroy, Orakpo.... basically if they want to make the trenches the focus they need some killers in there. Those guys who are serious about playing pro ball, with the big boys it's not so much about skills and talent. It is about playing team ball, doing your job, never quitting, working hard, and training well to stay healthy. Sure I want us to be DBU again, but more importantly running down people's throats and blowing up their running game, getting some heat on QBs...

Yeah need leadership in trenches from some tough guys....

Need some more Dawgs on the OL/DLs that like to finish plays and whip their opponents..... Need some Nasty.....

 

 

Edited November 2, 2018 by LTtxfan

[cmontexas 3272]

Cosmi looks like a badass sumbitch and he's good so Im gonna go with him. Does anyone know if he wears 52 because CW wears 52 for the Cowboys? Would show a pretty cool level of brospect if so.

On defense we'll find out next year

[bluto 4934]

2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

Something in me tells me Patrick Hudson and Keontay Ingram will fill some leadership roles. 

There is no way in hell Hudson will be a team leader. Seems like a nice/good kid, but ass kicking leader.... nope

[PatSolitanojr 518]

Sam. Also, calling it early, Adeoye. Caden and BJ also. 

[LTtxfan 49323]

Thinking about the current Texas players, the lack of true leadership from the Defensive Upperclassmen is one of the primary reasons why that group has struggled so much.

Going forward Texas has to find some Dawgs on Defense that are disciplined and hold others accountable AND perform well.  Hard to listen to guys that don't perform great during crunch time (Wheeler,  Hager, Nelson, Davis, and Boyd).

If they can sign Floyd in the 2019 Class, he seems like he might have that Dawg type of personality for the Defensive side of the ball. Hope more Dawg type leadership rises up from both the 2018 and 2019 Recruiting Classes.....

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by LTtxfan

[pacman 7366]

IMO, this has always been an issue for whatever reason and has kept us from reaching our potential for decades. It's always taken a transcendent leader at Texas to accomplish on the field, and there have been too few of them.

Talented players have come through the 40 a plenty, but not enough with strong mental fortitude like the Streets, VYs, or Colts. Without that once in a lifetime talent and leadership mix, our teams tend to be very mentally fragile and lacking strength in the face of adversity.

3 starters being late for meetings as we sit at 6-1, #7 in the nation is just the latest of many examples of Texas stepping on their dicks due to a lack of leadership/sense of entitlement in the program's player base.

[LTtxfan 49323]

24 minutes ago, pacman said:

IMO, this has always been an issue for whatever reason and has kept us from reaching our potential for decades. It's always taken a transcendent leader at Texas to accomplish on the field, and there have been too few of them.

Talented players have come through the 40 a plenty, but not enough with strong mental fortitude like the Streets, VYs, or Colts. Without that once in a lifetime talent and leadership mix, our teams tend to be very mentally fragile and lacking strength in the face of adversity.

3 starters being late for meetings as we sit at 6-1, #7 in the nation is just the latest of many examples of Texas stepping on their dicks due to a lack of leadership/sense of entitlement in the program's player base.

+1

Player Leadership can be developed..... Coaches have to do a better job in this area.   Kinda seems like the current Player Leadership Council is more of a club.... maybe I'm wrong???

Edited November 6, 2018 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 49323]

Lack of experienced on the field leadership for the Defense is obvious without Malik & Poona.

Another thing......It really bothers me how fragile this current group of upperclassmen seem to be....... Didn't Herman say the team didn't play well in 2nd Half of Tulsa game because he yelled at them at Halftime??

[Machinator 32099]

3 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

+1

Player Leadership can be developed..... Coaches have to do a better job in this area.   Kinda seems like the current Player Leadership Council is more of a club.... maybe I'm wrong???

I don't know what to think about the council but I don't think leadership is something that can be manufactured in players. It starts with doing your homework on a prospect's mental evaluation during the recruiting process, and of course maintaining a strong locker room culture.

It will be nice when our team leaders also happen to be the best players on the team. Right now, Chris Nelson is the only one who's anywhere close to that designation, though Andrew Beck deserves a nod for making the TE position at least relevant again at Texas.

[CastHorn 815]

I think our defensive front will look a lot more like a Texas front next season. No disrespect to Hager, Nelson, & Omenhiu, but those guys were some late developmental pick ups by Charlie. Charles is the only one who turned himself into a draftable player imo. Someone might take a flyer on Hager as a 3-4 OLB.

[pacman 7366]

15 minutes ago, Machinator said:

I don't know what to think about the council but I don't think leadership is something that can be manufactured in players. It starts with doing your homework on a prospect's mental evaluation during the recruiting process, and of course maintaining a strong locker room culture.

It will be nice when our team leaders also happen to be the best players on the team. Right now, Chris Nelson is the only one who's anywhere close to that designation, though Andrew Beck deserves a nod for making the TE position at least relevant again at Texas.

I am reminded of the lesson Jay Bilas learned in the past few years, of recruiting top rated players while ignoring his system and culture. It didn't work. Only when he returned to his previous recruiting roots did he get back to the title.

[LTtxfan 49323]

2 minutes ago, pacman said:

I am reminded of the lesson Jay Bilas learned in the past few years, of recruiting top rated players while ignoring his system and culture. It didn't work. Only when he returned to his previous recruiting roots did he get back to the title.

Do you mean Jay Wright at Villanova?? (Basketball Coach)

[pacman 7366]

Yes.

[LTtxfan 49323]

9 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Lack of experienced on the field leadership for the Defense is obvious without Malik & Poona.

Another thing......It really bothers me how fragile this current group of upperclassmen seem to be....... Didn't Herman say the team didn't play well in 2nd Half of Tulsa game because he yelled at them at Halftime??

What the neck has happened to Gary Johnson??  Thought he would understand the Defense better and be a leader for the group......