Right Wing Extremist Violence Thread

[fattyflattie 4,640]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is an insane position.  This is not based on any kind of reality that the rest of us inhabit.  I'm not sure why you continue to post here and why people continue to engage you.  If this is what you really think, there is no arguing.

We have several hundred million firearms in the US. Several. Hundred. Million.
 

Of course no violence would be preferred, and we can make some reasonable additions to further safety measures, but this is absolutely not an insane position. 

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

12 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Our gun policy is not insane. It could be tweaked, but it’s far from insane, or even an issue.  What’s insane is limiting the rights of hundreds of millions over events caused by a handful of psychopaths. 

Approximately 73 million Americans own a gun.  Approximately 5 million of those own a variation on the AR-15.  Hardly "hundreds of millions", unless you want to argue that my inability to purchase a tactical nuke has already "limited my rights".

 

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Abortion is an issue with the courts.  Ds had how long to codify?  Why should they be rewarded for their lack of willingness to do anything over the last several decades? Now I should give you extreme power so you can finally go to work? 

It has been argued many times that codifying abortion rights would weaken Roe v Wade, not strengthen it.  Ultimately, it didn't matter -- all it took was a religious, fanatical activist Supreme Court to gut the law.

 

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Voting is difficult? It takes 10 mins  

Says the guy who isn't remotely a poor black person in the deep south.  For fuck's sake, read something now and again.

 

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JFC no one outside the fringes support white supremacy. 

If we define "fringe" as 40% of Americans, sure.

 

 

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

We have several hundred million firearms in the US. Several. Hundred. Million.

You're a remarkably stupid individual.  How many PEOPLE own firearms?  Hint:  I proved the number in my last post.

[Biff Tannen 46,168]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

We have several hundred million firearms in the US. Several. Hundred. Million.

Even if this is exaggerated, how can you say this and not make the connection that the abundance of guns is a fucking problem?  That's it I'm done.  Ignored.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,860]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is an insane position.  This is not based on any kind of reality that the rest of us inhabit.  I'm not sure why you continue to post here and why people continue to engage you.  If this is what you really think, there is no arguing.

Don’t forget they defunded the police!  Defunded them!  That’s why dem darkies come robbin your cars!

Nenermind we’ve increased police funding, and my goddamned car got the windows busted out in 2004, a bush year.  These people don’t deal in reality, only feelings.  We need to kick them in those feelings.  Hard.  Multiple times.   

[Neonmoon 38,130]

Another day in the Theocracy

 

 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Approximately 73 million Americans own a gun.  Approximately 5 million of those own a variation on the AR-15.  Hardly "hundreds of millions", unless you want to argue that my inability to purchase a tactical nuke has already "limited my rights".

Yet there are an estimate 8-20m ARs in circulation?  For every 2 guys that owns a pistol and shotgun he got passed down, there’s someone that owns 40.  
 

Does Wapo work for you?  I’ve misread a chart before, but pretty sure I’ve got this one right  There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the US   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/
 

 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You're a remarkably stupid individual.  How many PEOPLE own firearms?  Hint:  I proved the number in my last post.

Link. 
 

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Even if this is exaggerated, how can you say this and not make the connection that the abundance of guns is a fucking problem?  That's it I'm done.  Ignored.

link. 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/

 

Wapo too right wing of a rag now? 

[F250 29,201]

13 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

That's a whole lot of limited vocabulary on display right there.  Reflects the limited intellects behind it.

lol some of them sounded like they were playing the part of Dale Gribble in a gay porn version of King of the Hill.

 

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Yet there are an estimate 8-20m ARs in circulation?  For every 2 guys that owns a pistol and shotgun he got passed down, there’s someone that owns 40.  
 

Does Wapo work for you?  I’ve misread a chart before, but pretty sure I’ve got this one right  There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the US   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/
 

 

Goodness, you get even more stupid as the day wears on.  Here was your statement:

" What’s insane is limiting the rights of hundreds of millions"

 

This implies hundreds of millions of PEOPLE.  Bear with me here -- you are conflating the # of firearms in the US with the # of people in the US who own firearms.  Now, I'm not surprised your gun boner has blinded you to the fact that A GUN IS NOT A PERSON, but for crying out loud, read what I wrote.

73M gun owners

5M owners of AR-15 variants (of which some ~ 20M exist in circulation; i.e., an average of maybe 4 per owner)

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Link. 

Pew Research.  The adult population of the United States is roughly 74% of the entire population, or 244M people.  30% of them currently own a gun, or 73M.

Read this Fatty

 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Goodness, you get even more stupid as the day wears on.  Here was your statement:

" What’s insane is limiting the rights of hundreds of millions"

 

This implies hundreds of millions of PEOPLE.  Bear with me here -- you are conflating the # of firearms in the US with the # of people in the US who own firearms.  Now, I'm not surprised your gun boner has blinded you to the fact that A GUN IS NOT A PERSON, but for crying out loud, read what I wrote.

73M gun owners

5M owners of AR-15 variants (of which some ~ 20M exist in circulation; i.e., an average of maybe 4 per owner)

I live in a house of 5. Every one of us shoots. I “own” every firearm in the house, per the US govt.  How many peoples rights are affected if they went away tomorrow? Using your brain is difficult. 

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

I live in a house of 5. Every one of us shoots. I “own” every firearm in the house, per the US govt.  How many peoples rights are affected if they went away tomorrow? Using your brain is difficult. 

Roughly 11% of Americans live with a gun owner.  Add that to the 30% if it helps your argument.  It doesn't help it much.

[Brisketexan 106,899]

17 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Of course.  And I’ll condemn it, because it’s fucked up and there’s no place for that in our govt. 

"No place for it".....except LITERALLY in the halls of Congress, governor's mansions, and the like. You know, places that are actually centerpieces of our government.

Saying "there's no place for that in our government" is like saying "I don't necessarily support the Nazis, but I'll never vote any other way because that supports the commies, and to the extent the Nazis call for exterminating the jews, I condemn that, there's no place for that in our government."  You know what that would have accomplished?  Exactly the same outcome that happened -- Nazis in full control, implementing the Final Solution.

These positions are no longer "fringe."  They are the GQP MAINSTREAM.  The OFFICIAL party platform of the Texas GQP says things like:

- Biden didn't legitimately win in 2020

- homosexuality is an "abnormal lifestyle choice," and expressly calls for overruling Obergefell and banning same-sex marriage

- wants Texas to have a referendum on secession (that is, the platform is patently treasonous and anti-American)

- opposes ALL red flag laws

- opposes age limits on the purchase of firearms

 - abolishing the Federal Reserve

And you know -- don't deny it -- that the constantly inflammatory anti-immigrant rhetoric from the GQP has already resulted in the targeted murder of hispanics, and will do so again.  You know -- don't deny it -- that the demonization of gay people as "pedophile groomers" by MULTIPLE members of Congress has encouraged people to attack gay gatherings, sometimes literally by the truckload.

You are a white, gun-owning male.  You have little to fear from the GQP.  But everyone else does, and your lack of give-a-shit about that speaks volumes about you.

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I live in a house of 5. Every one of us shoots. I “own” every firearm in the house, per the US govt.  How many peoples rights are affected if they went away tomorrow? Using your brain is difficult. 

You neither need nor deserve a gun pussy.

[Scheiss Meister 8,470]

28 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Another day in the Theocracy

 

 

Brought to you by The American Taliban.  "If we do not like it, it must be destroyed."

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35 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Another day in the Theocracy

 

 

Had never heard of this so hopped on wiki for a minute.  This is what the GG page says are inscribed on the stones:

Inscriptions[edit]

A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones[11] in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

Unite humanity with a living new language.

Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

Balance personal rights with social duties.

Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

 

I mean there's some hippy dippy and utopia type stuff in there but...evil and luciferian?  Christians are wackos. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

21 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

You neither need nor deserve a gun pussy.

Lol. Yes, my pigeon breaking habit is ruining America. 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

3 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Had never heard of this so hopped on wiki for a minute.  This is what the GG page says are inscribed on the stones:

 

Either John Oliver or the Daily show guy one did a thing on it recently (last 6 months or so).  

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lol. Yes, my pigeon breaking habit is ruining America. 

Live look at fattie breaking pigeons...

[DigglerontheHoof 21,551]

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Live look at fattie breaking pigeons...

probably more like this:

[Jive Turkey 13,005]

Black GOP members need AR-15s to protect themselves against all of those Dem klansmen who are coming after them. Good fucking lord. The casualness of murdering people in GOP political ads is astonishing. Actually, it used to be astonishing. Now it’s just Wednesday.

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Jive Turkey

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37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

- homosexuality is an "abnormal lifestyle choice," and expressly calls for overruling Obergefell and banning same-sex marriage

...and even if it was, so the fuck what. Wearing camo as a fashion choice is an abnormal lifestyle choice. Most Americans don't do it, yet I can make a more compelling argument that those who do should be banned from marrying. 

[Dahobbs 18,324]

15 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Had never heard of this so hopped on wiki for a minute.  This is what the GG page says are inscribed on the stones:

Inscriptions[edit]

A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones[11] in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

Unite humanity with a living new language.

Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

Balance personal rights with social duties.

Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

 

I mean there's some hippy dippy and utopia type stuff in there but...evil and luciferian?  Christians are wackos. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

 

I don't know, getting rid of over 7 billion people to reach that 500 million number might be a bit evil. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,551]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

I don't know, getting rid of over 7 billion people to reach that 500 million number might be a bit evil. 

They did say "maintain", so just assumed they thought we'd somehow get there naturally and go from there...but who knows.  Like I said, was just trying to figure out why it made the Christian Cult so mad. 

[wildcat09 29,579]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

"No place for it".....except LITERALLY in the halls of Congress, governor's mansions, and the like. You know, places that are actually centerpieces of our government.

Saying "there's no place for that in our government" is like saying "I don't necessarily support the Nazis, but I'll never vote any other way because that supports the commies, and to the extent the Nazis call for exterminating the jews, I condemn that, there's no place for that in our government."  You know what that would have accomplished?  Exactly the same outcome that happened -- Nazis in full control, implementing the Final Solution.

These positions are no longer "fringe."  They are the GQP MAINSTREAM.  The OFFICIAL party platform of the Texas GQP says things like:

- Biden didn't legitimately win in 2020

- homosexuality is an "abnormal lifestyle choice," and expressly calls for overruling Obergefell and banning same-sex marriage

- wants Texas to have a referendum on secession (that is, the platform is patently treasonous and anti-American)

- opposes ALL red flag laws

- opposes age limits on the purchase of firearms

 - abolishing the Federal Reserve

And you know -- don't deny it -- that the constantly inflammatory anti-immigrant rhetoric from the GQP has already resulted in the targeted murder of hispanics, and will do so again.  You know -- don't deny it -- that the demonization of gay people as "pedophile groomers" by MULTIPLE members of Congress has encouraged people to attack gay gatherings, sometimes literally by the truckload.

You are a white, gun-owning male.  You have little to fear from the GQP.  But everyone else does, and your lack of give-a-shit about that speaks volumes about you.

Adding to this: Republican candidates are already dismissing mass shootings. Their fucking gubernatorial candidate in Illinois said immediately after that everyone should just move on. Sooner than later, they'll start justifying them with domestic abuser "liberals/gays/women made them do it" rhetoric (we're already seeing this on Tucker). This is because they are fine with these mass shootings. In fact, they're more than fine with them, they support them. This is because (as I said yesterday in the Biden thread) these mass shootings disrupt secular communities, which are what Republicans see as the true evil in America.

[ConferenceRoom 6,214]

On 7/5/2022 at 9:35 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

Read this book.

Ali Soufan is a bad ass. 

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2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Voting is difficult? It takes 10 mins  

For some, yes.  For many others...

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,169]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Of course.  And I’ll condemn it, because it’s fucked up and there’s no place for that in our govt. 

I'm still getting through back to back meetings.  I'm not talking about whether you'll condemn it.  I'm wondering if seeing evidence of the wrongness of the positions your team takes, will it make you rethink your allegiance to that team.  If it won't, I'm not going to bother.  I don't frankly care what you condemn here if you are going to keep voting for more of the same actions that draw your condemnation.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

10 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

I'm still getting through back to back meetings.  I'm not talking about whether you'll condemn it.  I'm wondering if seeing evidence of the wrongness of the positions your team takes, will it make you rethink your allegiance to that team.  If it won't, I'm not going to bother.  I don't frankly care what you condemn here if you are going to keep voting for more of the same actions that draw your condemnation.

I’d be interested in seeing it, if you have the time. But definitely don’t rush, I’ve been here for 10 years and will be logged on when you get to it. 
 

It’s difficult to change ones political allegiance, even if it’s trending away.  You trying to convince me to vote alongside you is nearly identical to me trying to do the same for you.  I believe the parties are too far apart.  I can tell you that the issues that hit closest to home for the both of us are probably nowhere resembling each other until the 5-7-10th item down the list.  Please don’t take that to mean the issues you are most passionate about aren’t important. I tend not to worry if others think  my issues aren’t. But we almost certainly have different priorities and views on where the country stands, where we want it to go, how it can get you where you need to be personally. 

[RomaVicta 30,590]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Another day in the Theocracy

 

 

I saw a pretty interesting bit on this on Last Week Tonight.

John Oliver

 

[jimmyjazz 47,203]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’d be interested in seeing it, if you have the time. But definitely don’t rush, I’ve been here for 10 years and will be logged on when you get to it. 
 

It’s difficult to change ones political allegiance, even if it’s trending away.  You trying to convince me to vote alongside you is nearly identical to me trying to do the same for you.  I believe the parties are too far apart.  I can tell you that the issues that hit closest to home for the both of us are probably nowhere resembling each other until the 5-7-10th item down the list.  Please don’t take that to mean the issues you are most passionate about aren’t important. I tend not to worry if others think  my issues aren’t. But we almost certainly have different priorities and views on where the country stands, where we want it to go, how it can get you where you need to be personally. 

That's a lot of words for you to say "I'm an asshole and you aren't".

[Brisketexan 106,899]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

I’d be interested in seeing it, if you have the time. But definitely don’t rush, I’ve been here for 10 years and will be logged on when you get to it. 
 

It’s difficult to change ones political allegiance, even if it’s trending away.  You trying to convince me to vote alongside you is nearly identical to me trying to do the same for you.  I believe the parties are too far apart.  I can tell you that the issues that hit closest to home for the both of us are probably nowhere resembling each other until the 5-7-10th item down the list.  Please don’t take that to mean the issues you are most passionate about aren’t important. I tend not to worry if others think  my issues aren’t. But we almost certainly have different priorities and views on where the country stands, where we want it to go, how it can get you where you need to be personally. 

Well, being that every single issue is completely subordinate to "the continued existence of the Republic as a united, functional entity," and one party is openly opposed to that, this discussion can and should be super-short.

Today, it doesn't much matter where you fall on taxes, or gun control, or roads, or education, or any of that shit.  Are you for continued free and fair elections, reflecting the actual votes of the people, determining our path forward?  If you are, then you should oppose the GQP with every fiber of your being.  The "Big Lie" is the foundation and centerpiece of their entire belief system and current electoral strategy.

All of the rest of this is arguing about which destination the plane should fly to, what snacks should be served, whether there should be first class seats or not, when one of the pilots is actively pointing the plane down straight into a goddamn mountain.  No other issue matters until we address the "the plane is about to fly smack into a goddamn mountain" problem.  Because if that happens, you aren't going to give two shits whether the in-flight snack is peanuts or pretzels.

Don't ask me.  Ask noted libtard pussies Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, and dozens of others.  That's it.  That's the issue.  You either stand with saving the Republic, or you are complicit in extinguishing it.

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Edited July 6, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[WhatTheBuck 28,930]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Had never heard of this so hopped on wiki for a minute.  This is what the GG page says are inscribed on the stones:

Inscriptions[edit]

A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones[11] in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Traditional Chinese, and Russian.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

Unite humanity with a living new language.

Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

Balance personal rights with social duties.

Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

 

I mean there's some hippy dippy and utopia type stuff in there but...evil and luciferian?  Christians are wackos. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

 

Gotta watch the whole piece.

 

[Ojo Rojo 2,054]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Our gun policy is not insane. It could be tweaked, but it’s far from insane, or even an issue.  What’s insane is limiting the rights of hundreds of millions over events caused by a handful of psychopaths. 

This statement is indicative of one of the key differences between R's and D's. R's believe that the rights of individuals are more important than the needs of the group. I can understand why people would think that way. The reason I don't think that way is that I believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Sometimes, preserving rights for individuals is bad for the collective. There are many, many examples of this. Pumping mercury into our bay systems instead of disposing of it responsibly and at greater cost is good for Alcoa, but bad for anyone who likes to fish or eat seafood from that bay. Having lower security at airports is good for people who want to put bombs in their shoes or underwear, but bad for the people in the planes they blow up. Driving 100 mph is good for people who like to drive fast, but bad for all the people killed in high speed crashes. Having easy access to high powered guns is good for people who like owning guns (for whatever reason), but bad for all of the people who are killed because high powered guns are so easy to get and so effective at killing lots of people in a short amount of time.

This is a public policy and public health issue. We (you) have to understand, really understand, that what we do as individuals affects other people and has broader effects on the group.  The cause and effect is sometimes attenuated; it's not a single relationship connection (like, "The mass shooter didn't use MY gun, so I should still be allowed to own MY gun."

I have to take off my shoes and go through a  whole body scanner at the airport, I can only drive 75 mph max, I'm not allowed to pour mercury in the bay, all for very good reasons that affect the public at large. Yet we have a major public health crisis - deaths causes by firearms - and I can still go to a gun store right now and buy a high powered, high capacity firearm. We sacrifice certain rights for the greater good all the time. Most we don't even notice. Guns needs to fall into this category sooner rather than later. If there was some huge individual benefit that could offset the public good argument I might be persuaded, but there isn't.

[wildcat09 29,579]

Just now, Ojo Rojo said:

This statement is indicative of one of the key differences between R's and D's. R's believe that the rights of individuals are more important than the needs of the group.

This is absurd. Republicans believe in the rights of one particular group: Republicans.

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[WhatTheBuck 28,930]

33 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I saw a pretty interesting bit on this on Last Week Tonight.

John Oliver

 

 Needs more furries.  

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,169]

 

8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’d be interested in seeing it, if you have the time. But definitely don’t rush, I’ve been here for 10 years and will be logged on when you get to it. 
 

It’s difficult to change ones political allegiance, even if it’s trending away.  You trying to convince me to vote alongside you is nearly identical to me trying to do the same for you.  I believe the parties are too far apart.  I can tell you that the issues that hit closest to home for the both of us are probably nowhere resembling each other until the 5-7-10th item down the list.  Please don’t take that to mean the issues you are most passionate about aren’t important. I tend not to worry if others think  my issues aren’t. But we almost certainly have different priorities and views on where the country stands, where we want it to go, how it can get you where you need to be personally. 

I'm not trying to get you to vote alongside me.  I'm trying to figure out if there is a line across which you won't cross.  I know there was a line for me.  I used to vote Republican too.  I know a whole lot of people here are in the same boat.  I'm wondering where your line is.  

Is it a preponderance of distastefulness that hasn't been met yet, or are you just ride or die?  If there is a line somewhere, I'll talk to you as much as you want to listen. I'll answer any questions you have.  Always. If it's the latter, I'm not going to waste my time talking to you at all any further. 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

8 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Is it a preponderance of distastefulness that hasn't been met yet, or are you just ride or die?  If there is a line somewhere, I'll talk to you as much as you want to listen. I'll answer any questions you have.  Always. If it's the latter, I'm not going to waste my time talking to you at all any further. 

I’m not ride or die, by any means. I’ve worked my way (I believe) down to abstaining from voting in people I think are actually bad (intentionally bad).  I have not been able to wrap my head supporting their competition for which I typically largely disagree with.  People say all the time that the Rs don’t have ideas, they just don’t want to do what the Ds propose.  That is a true statement, and I don’t know why it offends Rs. The way my mind works, that’s a good thing.  The populace is going to trend left constantly, and into perpetuity - that is a fact.   How fast we get there is what we are all arguing about. 
 

PM sent. 

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32 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s difficult to change ones political allegiance, even if it’s trending away.  You trying to convince me to vote alongside you is nearly identical to me trying to do the same for you.  I believe the parties are too far apart.  I can tell you that the issues that hit closest to home for the both of us are probably nowhere resembling each other until the 5-7-10th item down the list. 

It's not hard to change one's political allegiance to a party when the party itself has already changed its allegiance away from you and the people it claims to represents, and is instead 100% loyal to the BMDs, the NRA, Trump, etc.  You just don't vote for them, you don't send money their way.  That's all that you have to do. Get it in your head that they give no shits about you unless you are tossing hundreds of thousands (or more) there way.

And you don't have to vote Democrat either, in fact I'd tell you not to do so, because making that much of a switch in one election cycle is tough - in 2004 when I switched away from the GOP, I was not going to go to the Dems (did not like Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004). What you do is find a third party that more closely aligns with your political beliefs, and you vote for them, you campaign for them, even if it's just a yard sign, and you toss a few bucks their way.  And more importantly, you make damned sure that your former party knows that you changed parties and most importantly of all, you make damned sure that they know why you changed parties - that they abandoned you.

I did it in my younger years - I was quite the loyal little Alex P. Keaton Republican coming out of high school and into college in the 1990s (if you don't know who Alex P. Keaton is, he was a character on a TV show in the 1980s, who was an annoying young Republican/conservative).  I even campaigned for George W. Bush as Governor as well as for his 2000 Presidential run.  Thought he was a good guy - I was very naive, but I liked the people I was hanging with, volunteering with, but then things headed down the road to Iraq in 2003 (and there were signs before then I admit) and I realized the GOP was not the party for me.  Went Constitution Party and Libertarian for a few cycles (split my votes between candidates, liked things in both parties), but since then I've voted for a variety of parties at all levels, including Dems several times.

 

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29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

When God was young

He never needed anyone

And making love was just for fun

[Captainant 28,539]

23 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

escalation of public displays of force is textbook fascist shit, we're ahead of schedule! 

[TexArcher 39,072]

52 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Yeah, this isn't good.

And it's infuriating, besides.

[WhatTheBuck 28,930]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

escalation of public displays of force is textbook fascist shit, we're ahead of schedule! 

You know what’s awesome? In 2010, this Jesus statue next to I-75 north of Cincinnati was struck by lightning, burst into flames, and was destroyed.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,169]

@fattyflattie

FYI, I'm going to use the word gay here because it's easier to type, but when I say gay I'm talking about the whole spectrum, Lesbians, Gays, Transgenders, etc. 

As requested:

1.  Florida Legislature votes on a bill that would make it so that teachers can't talk about their spouses (if their spouse is of the same sex) to their students, nor have pictures of those spouses on their desk, nor can they be a safe space for their gay students, nor can they try to create a space in their classroom that is safe for gay students, nor can they talk about being gay.  The Florida Leg and DeSantis claimed this was scare tactics and that it was just about formal instruction not being allowed to talk about gay people to elementary school children.  But now it has passed, and school districts are trying to adhere to the law and these are exactly what the school districts are saying are no longer ok.  And DeSantis' spokesperson called all people against this bill "groomers," claiming that all of us who rightly called this out for the bigoted nastiness it is as people who are trying to turn kids gay so we can molest them.  

https://www.eqfl.org/statement-equality-florida-condemns-anti-lgbtq-remarks-desantis-spokesperson

2.  Here's Boebert calling "the left" groomers because a pre-school in North Carolina used rainbox colored flash cards

3.  Boebert again, talking about the Equality Act, which would make it illegal to fire people because of their sexuality says, 

Quote

“We all know that that’s just the Democrats using a play on words. There’s nothing about equality in that act. If anything, it’s supremacy of gays and lesbians and transvestites,”

So not only is she against gays having equal rights, but won't even acknowledge that concept of transgenderism.  

4.  Marjorie Taylor Greene - I'm gonna be honest, too many options to pick from.  Here's a syllabus from GLAAD:

https://www.glaad.org/gap/marjorie-taylor-greene

5.  Back to DeSantis — Vetoed all funding for LGBTQ programs from the $101 billion state budget, including $150,000 for mental health programming to support survivors of the Pulse Massacre and $750,000 to house homeless LGBTQ children, as well as funds for Orlando's LGBTQ Community Center. The veto came during LGBTQ Pride Month and just days before the fifth anniversary of the 2016 mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub, one of the worst in United States history which targeted Central Florida’s LGBTQ and LatinX Communities, claiming the lives of 49 people.

6. Sen. Tommie Tuberville - Lamented Chick-fil-A’s decision to stop giving money to anti-LGBTQ charities: “Isn’t it horrible when liberal activists ruin something good?”

7. VP Mike Pence - supports conversion therapy, believing that since we chose to be gay, we can be shocked/counseled out of being gay, I guess.  Even Trump realized that Mike hates the gays.  He told reporters that Pence wants to hang us all.

8. More Pence - Stated that LGBTQ-inclusive hate crime legislation would “silence” groups that promote so-called conversion therapy: “Finally, pro-homosexual activist groups such as the Human Rights Campaign have stated their belief that an ad campaign by pro-family groups showing that many former homosexual people had found happiness in a heterosexual lifestyle, contributed to the tragic 1998 murder of homosexual college student Matthew Shepard. There is no evidence that his killers even knew about the ads, and Shepard’s killers told ABC’s 20/20 that they were motivated by money and drugs. However, the danger here is that people use a hate crimes bill to silence the freedom of religious leaders to speak out against homosexuality.”

9. Lt. Gov Ken Paxton, Texas - An Austin school dared to talk about the fact gay people exist during pride month.  This aggression will not stand, man!

10. Ken Paxton again - Also is looking for a test case so he can get sodomy laws enforced in Texas again, now that the Roe overturn decision has gotten rid of a right to privacy.  

11.  Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas - In his opinion concurring with the majority, claimed that overturning Roe calls into question marriage equality and sodomy bans, signaling that he'd be in favor of overturning both of those if given the chance

12.  Texas Governor Greg Abbott - Issued a recommendation to the Texas state Board of Social Work Examiners that they remove protections for sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. Following that recommendation, and without an opportunity for public comment, the board voted to adopt the recommendation and consequently Texas social workers can now turn away LGBTQ clients and those with a disability. “There is always a real possibility that trans Texans specifically could be turned away or dissuaded from accessing the medical resources they need. At a time when many in our community require services to make it through an isolating pandemic, attempting to grant providers a license to discriminate is abhorrent,” said Emmett Schelling, Executive Director of the Transgender Education Network of Texas.

I could add a lot more, but I'm going to stop here.  There is a never ending stream of people in power not only saying things but acting on those things who are actively out to make the lives of LGBTQIA+ people worse than it is today.  This is known.  I'm taking you at your word that you just hadn't noticed it before.  I'll fall on the sword here and say that I do not spend nearly as much time here advocating for gay rights as I used to, but I'm happy to start that up again.  

But if you are going to continue to support these people, I want you to understand the absolute cruelty against people who are different that you are supporting.  Condemning those things in a message board means nothing if you continue to vote for them.  

[Sawbonz 28,222]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Never heard of these until today

[CTC2 2,865]

2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Yeah, this isn't good.

And it's infuriating, besides.

Never heard of them before today.  Read some articles about them but don't understand who they were pissing off other than nut jobs who think they are Satanic?

Edited July 7, 2022 by CTC2

[safe sex 12,010]

1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

@fattyflattie

FYI, I'm going to use the word gay here because it's easier to type, but when I say gay I'm talking about the whole spectrum, Lesbians, Gays, Transgenders, etc. 

As requested:

1.  Florida Legislature votes on a bill that would make it so that teachers can't talk about their spouses (if their spouse is of the same sex) to their students, nor have pictures of those spouses on their desk, nor can they be a safe space for their gay students, nor can they try to create a space in their classroom that is safe for gay students, nor can they talk about being gay.  The Florida Leg and DeSantis claimed this was scare tactics and that it was just about formal instruction not being allowed to talk about gay people to elementary school children.  But now it has passed, and school districts are trying to adhere to the law and these are exactly what the school districts are saying are no longer ok.  And DeSantis' spokesperson called all people against this bill "groomers," claiming that all of us who rightly called this out for the bigoted nastiness it is as people who are trying to turn kids gay so we can molest them.  

https://www.eqfl.org/statement-equality-florida-condemns-anti-lgbtq-remarks-desantis-spokesperson

2.  Here's Boebert calling "the left" groomers because a pre-school in North Carolina used rainbox colored flash cards

3.  Boebert again, talking about the Equality Act, which would make it illegal to fire people because of their sexuality says, 

So not only is she against gays having equal rights, but won't even acknowledge that concept of transgenderism.  

4.  Marjorie Taylor Greene - I'm gonna be honest, too many options to pick from.  Here's a syllabus from GLAAD:

https://www.glaad.org/gap/marjorie-taylor-greene

5.  Back to DeSantis — Vetoed all funding for LGBTQ programs from the $101 billion state budget, including $150,000 for mental health programming to support survivors of the Pulse Massacre and $750,000 to house homeless LGBTQ children, as well as funds for Orlando's LGBTQ Community Center. The veto came during LGBTQ Pride Month and just days before the fifth anniversary of the 2016 mass shooting at the Pulse nightclub, one of the worst in United States history which targeted Central Florida’s LGBTQ and LatinX Communities, claiming the lives of 49 people.

6. Sen. Tommie Tuberville - Lamented Chick-fil-A’s decision to stop giving money to anti-LGBTQ charities: “Isn’t it horrible when liberal activists ruin something good?”

7. VP Mike Pence - supports conversion therapy, believing that since we chose to be gay, we can be shocked/counseled out of being gay, I guess.  Even Trump realized that Mike hates the gays.  He told reporters that Pence wants to hang us all.

8. More Pence - Stated that LGBTQ-inclusive hate crime legislation would “silence” groups that promote so-called conversion therapy: “Finally, pro-homosexual activist groups such as the Human Rights Campaign have stated their belief that an ad campaign by pro-family groups showing that many former homosexual people had found happiness in a heterosexual lifestyle, contributed to the tragic 1998 murder of homosexual college student Matthew Shepard. There is no evidence that his killers even knew about the ads, and Shepard’s killers told ABC’s 20/20 that they were motivated by money and drugs. However, the danger here is that people use a hate crimes bill to silence the freedom of religious leaders to speak out against homosexuality.”

9. Lt. Gov Ken Paxton, Texas - An Austin school dared to talk about the fact gay people exist during pride month.  This aggression will not stand, man!

10. Ken Paxton again - Also is looking for a test case so he can get sodomy laws enforced in Texas again, now that the Roe overturn decision has gotten rid of a right to privacy.  

11.  Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas - In his opinion concurring with the majority, claimed that overturning Roe calls into question marriage equality and sodomy bans, signaling that he'd be in favor of overturning both of those if given the chance

12.  Texas Governor Greg Abbott - Issued a recommendation to the Texas state Board of Social Work Examiners that they remove protections for sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability. Following that recommendation, and without an opportunity for public comment, the board voted to adopt the recommendation and consequently Texas social workers can now turn away LGBTQ clients and those with a disability. “There is always a real possibility that trans Texans specifically could be turned away or dissuaded from accessing the medical resources they need. At a time when many in our community require services to make it through an isolating pandemic, attempting to grant providers a license to discriminate is abhorrent,” said Emmett Schelling, Executive Director of the Transgender Education Network of Texas.

I could add a lot more, but I'm going to stop here.  There is a never ending stream of people in power not only saying things but acting on those things who are actively out to make the lives of LGBTQIA+ people worse than it is today.  This is known.  I'm taking you at your word that you just hadn't noticed it before.  I'll fall on the sword here and say that I do not spend nearly as much time here advocating for gay rights as I used to, but I'm happy to start that up again.  

But if you are going to continue to support these people, I want you to understand the absolute cruelty against people who are different that you are supporting.  Condemning those things in a message board means nothing if you continue to vote for them.  

I applaud and appreciate your effort, @NameAlreadyInUse and I hope it isn't wasted. But have you considered how cool it would be to own a big boat?