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On 6/15/2023 at 1:44 AM, Pancho said:

 

I guess that I missed where Jesus told his followers to arm themselves and fight the Romans to save Him and get into heaven.  Oh, wait.  It says here that he gave instructions to do the exact opposite.  Hmmm.

I do have to admit that it first made me think of the Crack Suicide Squad from The Life of Brian.

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We got lucky on this one.

Feds: Michigan teen with ammunition, guns and Nazi flag planned antisemitic mass shooting

DETROIT — A Michigan teen with antisemitic views and a desire to mimic past mass shootings had a plan to kill and might have been targeting a synagogue, federal officials said.

Seann Patrick Pietila, 19, was arrested Friday and charged with transmitting a communication containing a threat to injure another, the U.S. Attorney's Office said.

A search of Pietila's home turned up ammunition, magazines, a shotgun, a rifle, a pistol, knives and other firearm accessories, along with a Nazi flag, gas masks and military manuals, officials said.

Note found with date, list of equipment
Authorities said they found a note in Pietila's phone with the name of an East Lansing synagogue, the date March 15, 2024, and a list of equipment.

"Equipment: hand-made pipe bombs, molotovs, Two Stag-15s, 12 guage shotgun and two back up Glock 18s AND a Akm full auto conversion," the note reads, according to officials.

Pietila "evinced a neo-Nazi ideology, antisemitism, glorification of past mass shooters, and a desire and intent to mimic past mass shooters or mass casualty events," U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Michigan Mark Totten said in a news release.

Federal officials said they found this note in Seann Pietila's phone. He was arrested Friday, June 16, 2023, and charged with making threats. Authorities said he was planning a mass shooting.

FBI received report of threats made on Instagram
In a court filing, an FBI agent said the agency received a report of threatening online communications on Instagram on Tuesday. Meta, the company that owns Instagram and Facebook, provided agents with messages sent by an account investigators found was Pietila's.

Agents found social media messages from Pietila and learned that he attended Lansing's Eastern High School during the 2020-21 school year, according the agent's filing.

Pietila was detained when the FBI executed a search warrant at his home on Friday, according to the court filing.

He told investigators he had moved to Pickford, Michigan, a week prior and previously lived with his mother in East Lansing, near the Michigan State University campus, the filing said. He indicated he was "most likely" in East Lansing when he communicated threats, according to the document.

FBI: Defendant discussed past mass shootings
Pietila admitted taking part in conversations about committing mass casualty incidents or mass killings but told investigators he did not intend to follow through with the mass killings he had discussed, the court filing said.

According to the filing, Pietila discussed with another Instagram user committing an attack modeled after the 2019 mass shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

Pietila also told investigators he planned to kill himself with a shotgun found in the home and acknowledged he wrote a suicide note found in his cellphone, the agent wrote in support of criminal charges.

Pietila made his first court appearance on Friday. A judge ordered that a public defender be appointed to represent him. A detention hearing was scheduled for June 22.

 

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Michigan man arrested for planning mass killing at synagogue - CBS News

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Some MAGATs will say that he doesn’t speak for them.
They’re lying.
He says EXACTLY what they’re thinking. He’s just not shy about it. That’s the only difference between him and other Trumpists.


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Get rid of non whites = keeping R’s in power 

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39 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Some MAGATs will say that he doesn’t speak for them.
They’re lying.
He says EXACTLY what they’re thinking. He’s just not shy about it. That’s the only difference between him and other Trumpists.

I’ve posted on this before and I guess I have to do so again. Your broad brush is wrong and unhelpful. Although racists tend to be right wing and racist populists love them some MAGA, not all Trumpists are racist.

Dismissing them all as racists is not productive. Many Trumpers rightly recoil at such accusations and it gives them an easy excuse to dismiss their critics as bigots harboring condescending stereotypes of the white working class. 

In my view, the fact that so many racists support Trump and the MAGA movement is a potential wedge point to raise when talking to people who have fallen into the Trump cult for other reasons. “Do you really want to be on the same team as these neonazi assholes?” They might respond that it’s better than siding with communists or whatever, but that just gives you an opportunity to discuss how the kind of democratic socialism favored by even the most left-wing of Democrats isn’t even remotely close to communism and would be far better for working Americans compared to Trump’s sordid mix of Reaganist neoliberal bullshit with banana republic style graft. 

But if all you do is shout “YOU’RE ALL RACIST!”, you never get to those productive talking points.

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7 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

But if all you do is shout “YOU’RE ALL RACIST!”, you never get to those productive talking points.

Lulz. Productive talking points. The vast majority of these stupid fucks arent gonna change their minds because Jesus, or AR-15's, or taxes, or immigration etc.... In my mind if you keep voting for a party whose racist tendencies have been on full display for years now, I'm fine lumping you in with the worst of them. 

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23 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Lulz. Productive talking points. The vast majority of these stupid fucks arent gonna change their minds because Jesus, or AR-15's, or taxes, or immigration etc.... In my mind if you keep voting for a party whose racist tendencies have been on full display for years now, I'm fine lumping you in with the worst of them. 

And you’ll get nowhere with that, other than further entrenching the cultural divide. I understand the frustration. I’m no less annoyed than you or Brisket by Trump voters who justify their bad decision with idiotic wedge issue positions. But that annoyance doesn’t excuse counterproductive behavior.

I’ll offer you a real-life counterpoint to defeatism. My parents are (spoiler alert: were) lifelong Republicans. My dad was fully on board with Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, etc. Both are religious and very firmly pro-life. Both voted straight-ticket GOP, including for Trump in 2016. Their friends and extended family are almost entirely right wingers.

I had countless political arguments with them over the years. But I never called them racist or homophobic. Instead, I pointed out how the people they voted for worked to hurt people they loved: their minority grandchildren, their gay friends, their friends from the Middle East, their family who had fallen on hard times financially.

Eventually it sunk in. (Trump’s obnoxious personality helped.) They’re now voting Democratic, calling out GOP bullshit online and in discussions with friends, pissed that Roe was overturned, and reading books critical of neoliberal economic lies. 

My parents were wrong about a lot of shit. They fell for the rightwing propaganda that permeated mass media over the past decades. It took work to remove the scales from their eyes, but ultimately it worked. And that’s due, in large part, because I began from the assumption that they are not hateful people.

Are my parents more representative of MAGA or less? Fuck if I know. But I do know there are many, many Trump voters who are good people at heart and whose views result mostly from propaganda and lazy or sloppy thinking on their own part. In my view it’s worth engaging those people. If every one of us could convert just one or two Trumpers back to the good side, our country would be a much better place.

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2 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

“Do you really want to be on the same team as these neonazi assholes?” They might respond that it’s better than siding with communists or whatever, but that just gives you an opportunity to discuss how the kind of democratic socialism favored by even the most left-wing of Democrats isn’t even remotely close to communism

And right here is where you fucking lose them.

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3 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

And you’ll get nowhere with that, other than further entrenching the cultural divide. I understand the frustration. I’m no less annoyed than you or Brisket by Trump voters who justify their bad decision with idiotic wedge issue positions. But that annoyance doesn’t excuse counterproductive behavior.

I’ll offer you a real-life counterpoint to defeatism. My parents are (spoiler alert: were) lifelong Republicans. My dad was fully on board with Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, etc. Both are religious and very firmly pro-life. Both voted straight-ticket GOP, including for Trump in 2016. Their friends and extended family are almost entirely right wingers.

I had countless political arguments with them over the years. But I never called them racist or homophobic. Instead, I pointed out how the people they voted for worked to hurt people they loved: their minority grandchildren, their gay friends, their friends from the Middle East, their family who had fallen on hard times financially.

Eventually it sunk in. (Trump’s obnoxious personality helped.) They’re now voting Democratic, calling out GOP bullshit online and in discussions with friends, pissed that Roe was overturned, and reading books critical of neoliberal economic lies. 

My parents were wrong about a lot of shit. They fell for the rightwing propaganda that permeated mass media over the past decades. It took work to remove the scales from their eyes, but ultimately it worked. And that’s due, in large part, because I began from the assumption that they are not hateful people.

Are my parents more representative of MAGA or less? Fuck if I know. But I do know there are many, many Trump voters who are good people at heart and whose views result mostly from propaganda and lazy or sloppy thinking on their own part. In my view it’s worth engaging those people. If every one of us could convert just one or two Trumpers back to the good side, our country would be a much better place.

This is a nice story. It has a happy ending. 

There are others in the world that do not have minority grandchildren, or gay friends, or friends from the Middle East. Even if you point out how the current Republican Party is cruel to minorities, or gays, or immigrants. Forces women to carry dead babies. It doesn’t affect them. They’re not letting their daughter marry a non-white. If you don’t want a kid, don’t have sex. They think transsexuals will ruin theirs kids lives. You could tell them about gender dysphoria but they wouldn’t believe you. Even if a doctor explained it, they wouldn’t believe it. Just like they wouldn’t take a Covid vaccine. Even though they took all the vaccines as a kid. They BELIEVE they are right. And nothing you say will change their beliefs 

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5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This is a nice story. It has a happy ending. 

There are others in the world that do not have minority grandchildren, or gay friends, or friends from the Middle East. Even if you point out how the current Republican Party is cruel to minorities, or gays, or immigrants. Forces women to carry dead babies. It doesn’t affect them. They’re not letting their daughter marry a non-white. If you don’t want a kid, don’t have sex. They think transsexuals will ruin theirs kids lives. You could tell them about gender dysphoria but they wouldn’t believe you. Even if a doctor explained it, they wouldn’t believe it. Just like they wouldn’t take a Covid vaccine. Even though they took all the vaccines as a kid. They BELIEVE they are right. And nothing you say will change their beliefs 

I'm pretty sure @BrickHorn isn't suggesting it's a productive exercise to attempt to sway every Republican. 

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21 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

There are others in the world that do not have minority grandchildren, or gay friends, or friends from the Middle East. Even if you point out how the current Republican Party is cruel to minorities, or gays, or immigrants. Forces women to carry dead babies. It doesn’t affect them. They’re not letting their daughter marry a non-white. If you don’t want a kid, don’t have sex. They think transsexuals will ruin theirs kids lives. You could tell them about gender dysphoria but they wouldn’t believe you. Even if a doctor explained it, they wouldn’t believe it. Just like they wouldn’t take a Covid vaccine. Even though they took all the vaccines as a kid. They BELIEVE they are right. And nothing you say will change their beliefs 

Do you have some sort of solution in mind for dealing with this group?

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Do you have some sort of solution in mind for dealing with this group?

Ostracize them, shame them, treat them like the shit that they are, report them to their employers when they publicly say/do racist shit. Being a piece of shit used to be socially unacceptable. Make it so again. Shove these assholes back under the rock they came from.
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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm pretty sure @BrickHorn isn't suggesting it's a productive exercise to attempt to sway every Republican. 

Exactly. Like many Surly discussions, this one is distorted by the fallacy of the excluded middle. Brisket goes off on one of his trademark categorical tirades. I respond that the world is not so black and white, and that’s misinterpreted as advocating the opposite categorical extreme. 

Political discourse on the internet, same as it ever was.

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Exactly. Like many Surly discussions, this one is distorted by the fallacy of the excluded middle. Brisket goes off on one of his trademark categorical tirades. I respond that the world is not so black and white, and that’s misinterpreted as advocating the opposite categorical extreme. 
Political discourse on the internet, same as it ever was.

Counterpoint….fuck those people. If that means we toss a handful of good out with the giant cesspool of shitty ones, so be it.
If they were good people, they wouldn’t still be supporting Trump. He’s told us who he is, over and over, for years. Sorry, there’s no excuses anymore.
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Counterpoint….fuck those people. If that means we toss a handful of good out with the giant cesspool of shitty ones, so be it.
If they were good people, they wouldn’t still be supporting Trump. He’s told us who he is, over and over, for years. Sorry, there’s no excuses anymore.

No one learns. No one matures. No one ever recognizes the error of their ways and changes for the better. Isn’t that right, guy who was never an outspoken Republican activist? 

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm pretty sure @BrickHorn isn't suggesting it's a productive exercise to attempt to sway every Republican. 

I agree. Like most conversations on the internet, we’re all taking past each other. Of course I agree that saying all Republicans are racist isn’t productive. I also think if you’re still a Republican in 2023, the excuse of being “fiscally conservative” no longer gets a pass. Not only is it bullshit on irs own merits, but you’re complicit with the rest of the shit. So you’re not a racist, but you’re not a good person. 

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you have some sort of solution in mind for dealing with this group?

I do not. Shame used to work, but in todays world of media echo chambers, no idea. One on one, you can convince a person to not be a piece of shit, but people go back to their groups, consume their talking points, get outraged, and repeat. 

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No one learns. No one matures. No one ever recognizes the error of their ways and changes for the better. Isn’t that right, guy who was never an outspoken Republican activist? 

We’ve blown so far past the “the parties and their voters have different opinions on how to best address issues” point that we can’t even see it from here.

We occupy two completely different realities. Don’t argue with an irrational person who doesn’t even acknowledge the basic facts that make up reality.

It’s like arguing with the guy in the asylum who truly and completely believes that he’s the current King of England. Telling him he’s not, and pointing to article after article about the coronation of King Charles, only makes him think that YOU are the crazy one…because after all, he’s the King of England, and he knows it for a fact.

They’ve had years to realize the white supremacist hateful bullshit that is MAGA is the actual story…if they don’t get it by now, they never will (and…a little secret: by now, they get it. And they like it.)
A mid grade AR?  Wouldn’t know about the second part, it’s been your side doing most of the shooting lately. 

“Your side?” WTF is that side?
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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We’ve blown so far past the “the parties and their voters have different opinions on how to best address issues” point that we can’t even see it from here.

We occupy two completely different realities.

Don’t sell yourself short. For years (decades?), just like my parents, you bought wholesale into the malicious idiocy of Reaganomics. If people who fell for that laughable horseshit can be redeemed, who can’t?

 

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Don’t sell yourself short. For years (decades?), just like my parents, you bought wholesale into the malicious idiocy of Reaganomics. If people who fell for that laughable horseshit can be redeemed, who can’t?

This is true.

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

 I also think if you’re still a Republican in 2023, the excuse of being “fiscally conservative” no longer gets a pass. Not only is it bullshit on irs own merits, but you’re complicit with the rest of the shit.

When anybody tries to do the "well I'm fiscally conservative but I don't buy into that other stuff" I tell them to go join the Libertarian Party or stop pretending they care about the economy or budget.  "Fiscally conservative" and "Republican" being in the same conversation is a joke.  And the sad thing is, it's so easy to bring out examples of Republicans feeding at the trough on bullshit unneeded budget items.  But you have hundreds of Representatives and dozens of Senators and everybody has to get their pork to agree upon a budget.

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1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I do not. Shame used to work, but in todays world of media echo chambers, no idea. One on one, you can convince a person to not be a piece of shit, but people go back to their groups, consume their talking points, get outraged, and repeat. 

There have to be some consequences for acting shitty towards other people, and back in the old days, there was - people gave a shit about what their neighbors thought.

Now people care more about what some stranger on the internet whose social media handle is "RINOHunter432098" thinks than the person across the street, especially if the person across the street has voters differently in the Presidential elections.  Which is really fucking stupid since at the end of the day, the politics that really matters are the ones affecting their electricity or water bills or the trash getting picked up or whatever.

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10 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Don’t sell yourself short. For years (decades?), just like my parents, you bought wholesale into the malicious idiocy of Reaganomics. If people who fell for that laughable horseshit can be redeemed, who can’t?

 

Brisket, and your parents, are inherently good people. They don’t want other people to feel pain. Reaganomics, and most libertarians views, at face value, are logical and make sense. They are easy to support. But in reality, they ignore that some people are selfish pieces of shit, so the government has to regulate some things to protect people from other people. I agree that people that support Republican policies for financial means can be “redeemed”, illuminating them to not only realties of those failed policies, but the horror of social policies. At the same time, I posit that others can’t be redeemed because they wholeheartedly agree with those same social horrors. These people are most likely religious, and fantasize about the fictional   patriarchal Americana of ‘Leave it to Beaver’. 

On the other hand, to be brutally honest, I will say the Trans issue is too much for some people, even progressive well intentioned good people. Maybe it’s just because it’s new, I don’t know, but people are inherently simple. The brain sees a big yellow bus, it thinks school bus. It sees a red octagon, it thinks stop sign. It sees a person with male features, it thinks man. Now, you’re telling them that’s no longer true.(I’m oversimplifying, don’t come at me). Listen, I get it, I support the people, the rights, and the movement. I’m just saying it’s broken some people. 
 

 

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41 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

On the other hand, to be brutally honest, I will say the Trans issue is too much for some people, even progressive well intentioned good people. Maybe it’s just because it’s new, I don’t know, but people are inherently simple. The brain sees a big yellow bus, it thinks school bus. It sees a red octagon, it thinks stop sign. It sees a person with male features, it thinks man. Now, you’re telling them that’s no longer true.(I’m oversimplifying, don’t come at me). Listen, I get it, I support the people, the rights, and the movement. I’m just saying it’s broken some people. 

You're describing the core defining principle of conservatism: FEAR of the OTHER. It's a basic expression of their brains response to an unknown thing. Some people think critically and are willing to change their viewpoint as they learn more, and some people are UNGA BUNGA fear driven and dig in when faced with a new and challenging data point. 

We are seeing the UNGA BUNGA writ large with the conservative reaction of individuals having the temerity to seek their own personal ideal for themselves, rather than whatever their pastor or country club says is normative. 

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Awww, snowflake got triggered? 

Not really, just curious you'd ask such an easily google-able question about some random manufacturer.  While we're asking easily google-able questions, how is common sense gun reform legislation coming along? 

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