Kicking the FG Instead of Going For it on 4th

[Vic Mackey 47110]

When  it was 4th and less than a yard. Fucking stupid. They are not stopping us for less than a yard. Keep the chains moving and punch that in for a TD to give us an 11pt lead. But instead we kicked a FG. I don't get it. Grow some fucking balls.

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

I agree. I think part of it was that they stopped the patented counter Sam run and the almost guaranteed 2 yard play wasn’t there. Fuck, we ran that weird beck flat route on 3rd and 2. 

[YChang 3460]

Weird... the perception when he was at UH to me was that... he would have gone for it no questions asked. 

[hookem48 4702]

3 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

When  it was 4th and less than a yard. Fucking stupid. They are not stopping us for less than a yard. Keep the chains moving and punch that in for a TD to give us an 11pt lead. But instead we kicked a FG. I don't get it. Grow some fucking balls.

they already stopped us on 4th and less than a yard, we cannot count on our oline to push anyone 

[Knoxtnhorn 6065]

No brainer.  We were gashing them left and right.  

[Michael Knight 12990]

4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

When  it was 4th and less than a yard. Fucking stupid. They are not stopping us for less than a yard. Keep the chains moving and punch that in for a TD to give us an 11pt lead. But instead we kicked a FG. I don't get it. Grow some fucking balls.

Did you maybe miss the previous drive where they "stopped" us on 4th and 1?

[4th&Five 41575]

Agree. I was pretty sure we’d lose at that point. Holgo has giant balls compared to Tom. 

[Knoxtnhorn 6065]

Drunk assed Holgorson has balls; our coach does not.

[cafe society 2872]

Our offensive line was pimp slapping them at that point.  Step on your oppoenent's throat.  That's what drunk Drana did.

 

[NowThis 931]

the rip helmet call and this call, both a matter of inches cost a game 

[Bigbend1812 12927]

The play should have been reviewed.  Didn’t even get more than 1 on TV replay. 

[4th&Five 41575]

 

[Firemans4Horn 18118]

I thought it was a chickenshit call. Up 4 or 7 our defense wasn’t stopping them worth a shit. Go for the 2 score lead. And our o-line was finally generating a big push that series. 

[Michael Knight 12990]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

Agree. I was pretty sure we’d lose at that point. Holgo has giant balls compared to Tom. 

Holgo has 0 expectations, win or lose this game no one at WVU would give a fucking shit. It's pretty easy to be ballsy when it doesn't matter

[Sgt Hulk 13821]

He was confident. That our defense who hasn’t stopped anyone since USC. Was going to go out and stop them 

[Slacks 6838]

I'm ok with points right there.

[Sejjr 3246]

You want to complain about stupid shit, complain about the idiotic "ice the kicker" timeout that NEVER FUCKING WORKS. 

[phdhorn 6224]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

Agree. I was pretty sure we’d lose at that point. Holgo has giant balls compared to Tom. 

This.  If you saw it on TV you saw that Rapey said they had practiced that play and situation all week, he knew the game would be close.  He prepped them left, right, and sideways mentally for a "go for it" score during the week.  That's good coaching, I don't care if he is a fat slob. 

[CurlyDumps 4477]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

Agree. I was pretty sure we’d lose at that point. Holgo has giant balls compared to Tom. 

Easy to have giant balls when you have a 23-year-old nfl QB playing in college.

 

[victory88 5669]

Can't blame Herman there.  A FG gives a 7 point lead.  We had already not converted one of our previous 4th and 1 plays.  We had the fucking lead with 20 seconds left and gave up a damn 30-40 yard TD pass.  That's on Orlando and the defense.  WVU is a good team.  Also, if he goes for it and doesn't get it, people will bitch that he didn't take the points.  People bitched all last season that he would always go for it on 4th down and leave points.  We have a lot to bitch about in this game but I'm not going to bitch about Herman kicking a FG to give us a 7 point lead.  Hell you can make the case that had he kicked the FG prior where Ehlinger's helmet came off, that we win this game.  

Edited November 4, 2018 by victory88

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

That was a terrible decision and the only one I really had a problem with all game other than some playcalls down at the goalline. As the head coach you need to understand who your team is and his team is a defensive shitshow right now....for whatever reason. So for him to think that we were gonna stop them late in the game was a head scratcher. He’s a super conservative coach and that shit doesn’t work when you have a shitty defense in an offensive conference. That was definitely a pussy move. 

[GotThatFire 166]

 Shouldn’t have come to that. It was a first down run. Once again refs fucked us 

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

1 minute ago, Snacks said:

I'm ok with points right there.

Then you should be ok with this loss bc that lost us the game. 

[kingkoopa6 8377]

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[Fozzz 152]

5 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Did you maybe miss the previous drive where they "stopped" us on 4th and 1?

If it comes down to keeping Sam’s helmet on versus betting on our defense in a two point conversion attempt, give me the former every time. 

[ioueleventybilliondollars 107]

FG was the right call.

That spot, on the other hand, was terrible. Not reviewing the spot was criminal.

But 3 points to go up 7 was the right choice.

Edited November 4, 2018 by ioueleventybilliondollars
autocorrect sucks

[hookem48 4702]

1 minute ago, GotThatFire said:

 Shouldn’t have come to that. It was a first down run. Once again refs fucked us 

what was a first down run? Not Ehlinger on 3rd down.

[hookem48 4702]

1 minute ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

Then you should be ok with this loss bc that lost us the game. 

yea that was it, not the defense

[Vic Mackey 47110]

3 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Can't blame Herman there.  A FG gives a 7 point lead.  We had already not converted one of our previous 4th and 1 plays.  We had the fucking lead with 20 seconds left and gave up a damn 30-40 yard TD pass.  That's on Orlando and the defense.  WVU is a good team.  Also, if he goes for it and doesn't get it, people will bitch that he didn't take the points.  People bitched all last season that he would always go for it on 4th down and leave points.  We have a lot to bitch about in this game but I'm not going to bitch about Herman kicking a FG to give us a 7 point lead.  Hell you can make the case that had he kicked the FG prior where Ehlinger's helmet came off, that we win this game.  

We only didn't convert because of a goofy fucking helmet off rule. That was the drive we needed to put that game away. Making it 7 does not do that. They erased a 7pt deficit twice in 5min.

[ioueleventybilliondollars 107]

6 minutes ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

Then you should be ok with this loss bc that lost us the game. 

This is just stupid. There's no guarantee TX gets a first down. There's no guarantee TX scores a TD even if they get a first down.

Edited November 4, 2018 by ioueleventybilliondollars

[mulletpelini 5215]

1 hour ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

That was definitely a pussy move. 

Take the move pussy.

[Vic Mackey 47110]

1 minute ago, hookem48 said:

yea that was it, not the defense

Does that not go into the decision? You know your defense is suspect and has injuries. All the more the reason to go for it. What do you have more confidence in, us gaining less than a yard or our defense making a play?

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

Just now, ioueleventybilliondollars said:

This is just stupid. There's no guarantee TX gets a fist down. There's no guarantee TX scores a TD even if they get a first down.

If you don’t get it then it doesn’t matter anyway because under no circumstances was THAT defense stopping WV. 

 

The same WV that Iowa fucking State held to 152 yards a couple weeks ago. 

[cafe society 2872]

Just because Orlando's D has gotten gashed two weeks in a row doesn't remove responsibility for a terrible decision from Herman.  What, all of a sudden our matador defense was going to become the'85 Bears?  

 

[Michael Knight 12990]

Next you'll complain we scored too fast

[hookem48 4702]

1 minute ago, cafe society said:

Just because Orlando's D has gotten gashed two weeks in a row doesn't remove responsibility for a terrible decision from Herman.  What, all of a sudden our matador defense was going to become the'85 Bears?  

 

which is why you go up 7.

[4th&Five 41575]

6 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

yea that was it, not the defense

He put it on the defense with that call. 

[ioueleventybilliondollars 107]

3 minutes ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

If you don’t get it then it doesn’t matter anyway because under no circumstances was THAT defense stopping WV. 

 

The same WV that Iowa fucking State held to 152 yards a couple weeks ago. 

And these same WV offense that scored 0 points in the 3rd qtr.

[Quagmire 2147]

Next you'll complain we scored too fast

We scored too fast

[A’Dam Psycho 1470]

I felt it in the pit of my stomach that was gonna come back to haunt us. Even if we don’t score a TD we can run clock. I hate playing not to lose

[4th&Five 41575]

Just now, ioueleventybilliondollars said:

And these same WV offense that scored 0 points in the 3rd qtr.

Did you think that would last? When we went up 7 I 100% knew it would be tied in a few minutes. Going down 3 wouldn’t have changed much. 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

The issue is within context of the game, we convert, we probably go on to score 7 and it’s a 2 score game with about 10 minutes to go.  It wasn’t the only call that cost us the game but it was a weak decision.  It was a Jason Garrett decision. 

 

 

[Vic Mackey 47110]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

Next you'll complain we scored too fast

Lulz wut? These 2 are in no way correlated and you make no fucking sense. I want to be as aggressive as possible. Going or it all when we scored was the right call. Just as sacking up and going for it on 4th is a similar call. You know, like WV did by going for it on the 2pt conversion. 

[chase25 2048]

11 minutes ago, Tx_2_Sc85 said:

Then you should be ok with this loss bc that lost us the game. 

The DEFENSE giving up 42 FUCKING POINTS cost us the game numb nuts

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

1 minute ago, ioueleventybilliondollars said:

And these same WV offense that scored 0 points in the 3rd qtr.

You mean the quarter we held the ball for probably 10 minutes or so? And then they scored in like 15 seconds after the 4th started.....

 

But hey we stopped them that one time. 

[Vic Mackey 47110]

4 minutes ago, ioueleventybilliondollars said:

And these same WV offense that scored 0 points in the 3rd qtr.

That's because we played ball control and they hardly had the ball. Not because we were shutting them down.

[hookem48 4702]

so what would you dumb fucks call on 4th down, the same shit that Sam didn't get earlier?

[ioueleventybilliondollars 107]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Did you think that would last? When we went up 7 I 100% knew it would be tied in a few minutes. Going down 3 wouldn’t have changed much. 

No, of course not,  but I don't mind being up 7 in that position. Better than being up 3.

[cafe society 2872]

1 minute ago, Texas25 said:

The DEFENSE giving up 42 FUCKING POINTS cost us the game numb nuts

Sure.  But when we had a golden opportunity to overcome that shitty defense we chose instead to rely upon that same shitty defense. 

[Tx_2_Sc85 332]

Just now, Texas25 said:

The DEFENSE giving up 42 FUCKING POINTS cost us the game numb nuts

And as the head coach you should know that your defense sucks ass and make decisions accordingly. He should’ve gone for it and if he had it to do again he would 100%. He’s got to quit coaching not to lose all the damn time. We’ve been lucky to win as many games as we have this year with that mentality. And that mentality is why teams like KSU, Tulsa, OU, and Baylor were able to claw back into it.