2018 midterm gameday thread

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

Have you alerted the authorities that your friend is a good man and has received your personal seal of approval?

[Brew 3045]

It’s amazing that we still don’t have a reasonable method of voting and getting those votes counted in a lot of states. The shitty system of voting causes the lack of trust issues which just keep compounding. It should be the same system across all states with the same rules in each. It’s not that complicated. 

[Ghost of LL 15477]

12 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

Again: those machines were sequestered by a judge as part of a federal lawsuit and could not be deployed. This has been reported in multiple places.

When these are your “facts” then it undermines any legitimate case you are trying to build.

 

That's not true.  The court required that a sufficient number of machines be sequestered to provide a representative sample.  The court did not set forth a number, and the hundreds of machines sequestered seems to be a bit of an overkill.

I would like to hear from a statistics expert to know how many machines would provide a representative sample.  I suspect it's 100-200.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

So send UN observers in to watch the Broward count. Problem solved. Scott wants to go in with shredders. If he doesn't trust the county and the county doesn't trust the state, you need a 3rd party. Consistently, its the GOP who fights poll observers. 

AZ is worse in my opinion. Trying to call a super close race with 500,000 votes outstanding is some shady shit. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Have you alerted the authorities that your friend is a good man and has received your personal seal of approval?

His friend (R) is a good man, you mean.

[Huckleberry 32694]

4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

That's not true.  The court required that a sufficient number of machines be sequestered to provide a representative sample.  The court did not set forth a number, and the hundreds of machines sequestered seems to be a bit of an overkill.

I would like to hear from a statistics expert to know how many machines would provide a representative sample.  I suspect it's 100-200.

Depends on all kinds of factors, but something around 400 for the entire state would have been sufficient.

[Loco 3752]

@Brew

1) It's VERY complicated  Do you even State's rights bro?

2) The old adage in the past was that the sheer diversity of systems prevents large scale shenanigans...  I'm not sure that is still true with the $$ spent on elections, technology/data,  and the stage of international actors

 

As critical as I was/am about the Broward elections machines/process, the fact that MY paper ballot is captured gives me some reassurance that recounts or a manual count will have a real physical record that will be hard to tamper with on a large scale.  If you go digital, then it's just 1&0s and highly susceptible to massive manipulation.

The real problem here is the Jim Crow-esque policies in Red States to suppress the vote and induce doubt into the voting process.  Voter fraud is incredibly rare but provides a good bogey man.

They are the ones underfunding the whole process hoping to suppress votes and violate people's right to vote.

Christ's comments make me feel like he is the one who wants to not count my vote...  fuck him and everyone like him.  I get a vote and I vote, count it motherfucker

Edited November 9, 2018 by Loco

[Celery Man 20882]

is there a fable about a wolf who calls wolf?

[Loco 3752]

26 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

So many experts on this thread.

One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell (R), ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 

But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  

And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.

You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  

But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

Fuck off!  Counting all the votes is shady...  enjoy your bag o dicks

[Js1 85095]

10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

AZ is worse in my opinion. Trying to call a super close race with 500,000 votes outstanding is some shady shit. 

Has anyone even tried to call AZ?  I'd just no one can until the vote dump today, depending on how many of the 500k are left.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Has anyone even tried to call AZ?  I'd just no one can until the vote dump today, depending on how many of the 500k are left.

The GOP was trying to call it and is suing to stop ballot validation after election day. 

[Js1 85095]

4 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

The GOP was trying to call it and is suing to stop ballot validation after election day. 

Oh, well that's not a surprise.  I thought you meant the AP or NYT or someone tried to "call it."

Of course the GOP was calling it a win.  Now it's fraudulent because Sinema is in the lead; so NOW they want the votes counted because they think there's enough outstanding to put her back in the lead.

[Dahobbs 17437]

48 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

So many experts on this thread.

One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell (R), ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 

But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  

And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.

You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  

But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

The ballots aren't "found," they were always there. They just haven't been counted yet. Your friend being a good man or hard worker is completely irrelevant. All votes submitted should be counted. Period. And, if he were truly a good man, he would understand that "winning" without counting all the votes isn't really winning or even an election.

 

[Brew 3045]

41 minutes ago, Loco said:

@Brew

1) It's VERY complicated  Do you even State's rights bro?

2) The old adage in the past was that the sheer diversity of systems prevents large scale shenanigans...  I'm not sure that is still true with the $$ spent on elections, technology/data,  and the stage of international actors

 

As critical as I was/am about the Broward elections machines/process, the fact that MY paper ballot is captured gives me some reassurance that recounts or a manual count will have a real physical record that will be hard to tamper with on a large scale.  If you go digital, then it's just 1&0s and highly susceptible to massive manipulation.

The real problem here is the Jim Crow-esque policies in Red States to suppress the vote and induce doubt into the voting process.  Voter fraud is incredibly rare but provides a good bogey man.

They are the ones underfunding the whole process hoping to suppress votes and violate people's right to vote.

Christ's comments make me feel like he is the one who wants to not count my vote...  fuck him and everyone like him.  I get a vote and I vote, count it motherfucker

State’s rights should have jack to do with the actual process of voting and counting the votes especially when there are national races/implications like we have with a presidential race. I’m not advocating for an electronic system, paper system, etc just a system. Open/close the same times, early vote the same times, etc so that every voter has the same opportunity.

[Js1 85095]

A Native American woman, Ruth Ann Buffalo, defeated the Republican who wrote the ND voter ID law that disenfranchised the shit out of the Native Americans in North Dakota.

Sweet irony.

[Dahobbs 17437]

2 minutes ago, Brew said:

State’s rights should have jack to do with the actual process of voting and counting the votes especially when there are national races/implications like we have with a presidential race. I’m not advocating for an electronic system, paper system, etc just a system. Open/close the same times, early vote the same times, etc so that every voter has the same opportunity.

I think we should avoid a completely national system to avoid the potential of the type of shenanigans we've seen being done nationwide. That said, national minimum standards (that states can exceed) seems like a great idea. 

[Js1 85095]

 

[Js1 85095]

Also, I can already tell how this is going to play out.

Sinema wins - maybe she eeks out a 0.5 - 1.5% win.  GOP cries foul but concedes.

Kyl steps down as interim Senator in January.  Ducey appoints McSally to serve until November 2020.  Everyone wins? 

Then we beat her ass in November 2020.  Mark Kelly, please pick up the white courtesy phone.  Krazy Kelli Ward will primary McSally too because "she's a loser who lost to a Democrat, she shouldn't be in the Senate because she's a loser."

Edited November 9, 2018 by Js1

[HenryJames 65886]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32318]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

So many experts on this thread.

One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell (R), ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 

But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  

And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.

You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  

But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

You would be bitching to high hell if Broward County was solidly R and your candidate was behind.  Florida spent an extra 38 days in 2000 to get a count "right".    And now the GOP is against "counting".  So fuck off with your righteous indignation.  

[Pancho 44454]

1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

 

Again: those machines were sequestered by a judge as part of a federal lawsuit and could not be deployed. This has been reported in multiple places.

When these are your “facts” then it undermines any legitimate case you are trying to build.

 

Once again, you are not looking at the entirety of the argument and instead trying to justify what's happening in Georgia. 

You're correct those machines weren't deployed because they were part of a lawsuit.  What you're failing to mention is the following:

From https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brian-kemps-lead-over-stacey-abrams-narrows-amid-voting-complaints-in-georgia-governors-race/2018/11/07/39cf25f2-e2b7-11e8-b759-3d88a5ce9e19_story.html?utm_term=.e6e35354f998

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Another problem was the limited number of voting machines in some locations. More than 1,800 machines sat idle in storage in three of the state’s largest and most heavily Democratic counties. In Fulton County, according to figures provided by elections director Rick Barron, the ratio of machines to registered voters was lower than it had been in 2014, despite predictions that turnout was likely to break records for a midterm election.

While some voters waited in hours-long lines in Fulton County, 700 of those machines sat in stacks in a warehouse in downtown Atlanta, Barron said. The machines were sidelined because they are evidence in a lawsuit alleging the equipment had been exposed to the threat of hacking in 2016.

The federal judge in the case had ordered state and local election officials — including Kemp — and the plaintiffs to weigh the demands of upcoming elections in deciding how many machines to set aside.

n an interview, Barron said more machines “would have made a huge impact on operations yesterday” and acknowledged that “it would have been a good idea” to push for the use of more machines before Election Day.

“The lines were long in the morning and we just didn’t have any machines to throw out there,” he said.

Broce, too, said additional machines “would have really helped with the long lines.”

She blamed the litigation for tying up those machines. One attorney for the plaintiffs, Bruce Brown, called that “rubbish” and said officials could have sequestered fewer machines, or later decided to put some back into service.

Daniel White, an attorney representing Cobb and DeKalb counties, said both counties kept more machines out of circulation Tuesday than required by the judge “out of an abundance of caution” that they were complying with the spirit of the court agreement.

White said he suspected the sequestered machines contributed to long lines at his polling place Tuesday. At a school in Marietta, where White said he usually sees eight to 12 machines, he saw just five or six.

Tuesday’s ballot was long, with five constitutional amendments across the state and additional measures in select locations.

One precinct near Pittman Park in downtown Atlanta started the day with just three machines, despite a registered voter roll of more than 3,000. Similar equipment problems were reported elsewhere in Fulton County and in three other large counties of the Atlanta metro area — Cobb, DeKalb and Gwinnett.

So the judge stated that it was Kemp's office who needed to decide how many of those machines that were idle should have been deployed when looking at the demand (aka how many voters) of the election.  

 

So no, I'm not undermining my argument at all.  I'm not even sure where you're getting that idea. 

You are the one trying to argue that Kemp's office is in the right.  They knew what they were doing. The machines were set aside because of the 2016 election, and then all of a sudden before midterms, this lawsuit hasn't been settled so voters have access?  Especially in mostly the Democratic areas of GA?

Fuck outta here with that. 

Now they are trying to place blame on the county offices themselves. 

 

 

[gmr548 16491]

So many experts on this thread.
One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell ®, ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 
But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  
And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.
You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  
But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

Well this settles it. This guy supposedly knows the candidate for ag commisioner and there is an R by his name. Stop counting!

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[SubliminalHorn 6673]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

So many experts on this thread.

One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell (R), ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 

But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  

And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.

You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  

But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

Could republicans be any more whiny and fucking shysters

['stache 21758]

Republicans are so aggy.  If they lose they cry "voter fraud!" with no evidence whatsoever.  But actual voter suppression "stop whining losers!"

[lemonlime 5503]

You know what might help with counting votes faster?  Republicans not purging voter rolls forcing registered voters to vote by provisional ballot.

[Ghost of Shag 2578]

1 hour ago, Gengs1 said:

Good men like Scott who oversaw the largest Medicare fraud in US history, nah can’t be about him 

Where did I call Scott a good man?  Go fuck yourself.  

 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Counting all the votes is not voter fraud.  Please FUCK OFF with this narrative that counting outstanding votes is shady/unethical.  Suing to STOP votes being counted (looking at you, Arizona GOP) should be illegal.

Good men don't win elections just because they worked their ass off and are good men.  Beto went to all 254 counties in Texas, harded 100x harder than slimy sack of shit Ted Cruz and lost. 

And GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with the idea that you have any fucking clue about what goes on in Broward County.  

[Loco 3752]

37 minutes ago, Brew said:

State’s rights should have jack to do with the actual process of voting and counting the votes especially when there are national races/implications like we have with a presidential race. I’m not advocating for an electronic system, paper system, etc just a system. Open/close the same times, early vote the same times, etc so that every voter has the same opportunity.

I disagree with your first sentence.  However, throw in mandatory normalized redistricting for all states and I'm in.

Agree on the second sentence.

[Celery Man 20882]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Where did I call Scott a good man?  Go fuck yourself.  

 

And GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with the idea that you have any fucking clue about what goes on in Broward County.  

is there a good man who you can vouch for who will give us the inside scoops

[Gengs1 2583]

Just now, Ghost of Shag said:

Where did I call Scott a good man?  Go fuck yourself.  

 

And GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with the idea that you have any fucking clue about what goes on in Broward County.  

Again, how do we know he was a good man?

why are you against counting votes? So your friend got 100k votes and said fuck it, we got this, don’t worry about the rest of those suckers 

[Ghost of Shag 2578]

1 hour ago, Zombie said:

1 hour ago, Ghost of Shag said:

So many experts on this thread.
One of my good friends, Matt Caldwell ®, ran for Ag Commissioner here in Florida.  He won the race by about 50,000 votes.  Guy traveled 100,000 miles, speaking to people in every county multiple times.  Works his ass off and is a stand up guy. 
But then, suddenly, more votes were found and his lead was down to 41,000.  And then suddenly, more votes were found and it was down to 20,000.  
And now, suddenly, more votes have been found.  And he's now losing the race by 501 votes.  Where did most of those votes come from?  Broward County.
You guys can mock the GOP all you want.  Say what you want about DeSantis and Scott, as though any of you know them, or have any association with them, outside of what you read.  Go ahead and pretend that voter fraud is a one-sided affair.  
But I'd hate to see a good man lose an election in a shady manner like this.

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I don't understand what you're saying. Are saying those are not legitimate votes? If so, what's the basis for that accusation? Assuming those are legitimate votes,why should they not be counted? You want you're friend to win despite not being the choice of the majority of voters? Bizarre.

Hell no they're not legitimate votes.  You think Broward county decided to hold a bunch of votes back, on purpose? 

Or did a rogue Republican sneak in and stash them all in a closet somewhere?  

[DDD Dad 14250]

Just now, Ghost of Shag said:

Or did a rogue Republican sneak in and stash them all in a closet somewhere?  

LBJ says hi.

[Homercles 10205]

 

Every accusation a confession

[Loco 3752]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Where did I call Scott a good man?  Go fuck yourself.  

 

And GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with the idea that you have any fucking clue about what goes on in Broward County.  

So how many years have you lived in Broward?  I've lived here since '85 I think his post is spot on correct.

 

You want to come at me with some Broward knowledge smack?  I'll fuck you up with some R Donuts trivia

[Huckleberry 32694]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Hell no they're not legitimate votes.  You think Broward county decided to hold a bunch of votes back, on purpose? 

Or did a rogue Republican sneak in and stash them all in a closet somewhere?  

What is the evidence that they are not legitimate votes? It should be presented immediately to the authorities, the press, and the people.

[Dahobbs 17437]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

What is the evidence that they are not legitimate votes? It should be presented immediately to the authorities, the press, and the people.

His friend, a good man, thinks so. What else do you need?!! You don't know anything about Broward County, obviously!

[Francisco 2.0 32318]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

What is the evidence that they are not legitimate votes? It should be presented immediately to the authorities, the press, and the people.

He would rather everyone just take his word for it.  

[G650 14086]

4 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

Hell no they're not legitimate votes. 

Please provide evidence that gives you this impression.

[Js1 85095]

4 minutes ago, Loco said:

 I've lived here since '85 I think his post is spot on correct.

 

You want to come at me with some Broward knowledge smack?  I'll fuck you up with some R Donuts trivia

[Francisco 2.0 32318]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

Please provide evidence that gives you this impression.

Because that county has a higher proportion of minorities voted.  Hence, not legitimate.  

Moose out front should have told ya.

[Ghost of Shag 2578]

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.

But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 

Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

[Francisco 2.0 32318]

Just now, Ghost of Shag said:

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.

But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 

Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

What's him being a good man have anything to do with votes being counted?  Or...because he is a good man, the election is over with, even if all the votes have not been counted?

 

[Huckleberry 32694]

Just now, Ghost of Shag said:

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.

But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 

Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

Who said calling him a good man is outrageous?

Who called him a bastard?

You should stop thinking with your feelings and address the things that have actually been said and asked. So I ask again, what is the evidence that the votes are fraudulent? It should be presented and publicized immediately.

[G650 14086]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.

But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 

Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

This has literally nothing to do with anything, and no one has criticized your friend, merely your lack of logic.

[G650 14086]

4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Because that county has a higher proportion of minorities voted.  Hence, not legitimate.  

Moose out front should have told ya.

Yeah, what the hell was I thinking.

[Js1 85095]

Cochise County just updated the majority of their outstanding votes - 4,021 out of about 4,700.  McSally only cuts into Sinema's lead by 447.  Pre-update, Cochise was +22 for McSally.  Post-update, Cochise is now +11 for McSally.  Woof.  This was supposedly one of her good counties.

My calculation would have had her cutting ~865 votes off McSally's lead based on the percentage she had pre-update.  She underperformed that by half.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Js1

[AtticusFinch 155]

10 hours ago, JustBecause said:

It’s  Broward County which is corrupt AF. 

No shit.  Snipes is a disgrace and Broward has historically been an election day nightmare.  Snipes has destroyed ballots in the past and overseen the opening of absentee ballots in secret and kept her job shockingly.  Have a recount if you want.  The state requires reporting of all absentee and early voting counts 30 minutes after the polls close.  How long after the polls close are they still reporting ballots? 3 now?  Without a count of how many are left or where they are stored or coming from...they could be legitimate but based upon the incompetence and corrupt nature of the officials in charge, it doesnt look good. 

[SubliminalHorn 6673]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.

But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 

Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

Somebody mad and whiny

[Huckleberry 32694]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Cochise County just updated the majority of their outstanding votes - 4,021 out of about 4,700.  McSally only cuts into Sinema's lead by 447.  Pre-update, Cochise was +22 for McSally.  Post-update, Cochise is now +11 for McSally.  Woof.  This was supposedly one of her good counties.

McSally cut into the lead by 447 but the update was a net +11 for Sinema? I'm assuming that's percentage points, not votes?

[Ghost of Shag 2578]

7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Who said calling him a good man is outrageous?

Who called him a bastard?

You should stop thinking with your feelings and address the things that have actually been said and asked. So I ask again, what is the evidence that the votes are fraudulent? It should be presented and publicized immediately.

Half the responses on here are mocking the fact that I called him a good man.  Are we that cynical?  If you said you knew someone personally and he's a good guy, I'd take your word for it.  Why would you lie about it?  Perhaps I'm too trusting, but that's my nature.  

Broward County is crucial to any democrat winning in Florida.  Of the votes they're counting on, that area is a necessity.  The leaders in that county know it.  Everyone knows it. 

So how the hell do they wind up with a 60,000 ballots that suddenly "weren't counted?"

Miami-Dade did 810,000 ballots in four hours just fine.   

Broward did 700,000...and they're still doing them.  And still finding them.  

So are we dealing with absolute incompetence, or are we dealing with fraud?  

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Ghost of Shag

[gmr548 16491]

I don't see what's so outrageous about calling him a good man.  I've known him for thirteen years.  We've worked together, socialized together...he's a good guy.
But you'd all rather assume he's a bastard because he's a Republican, and that if there's voter fraud, it must obviously because of the Republicans. 
Fuck yourselves.  You'll get six more years of Trump and like it.  

Come to whine about election. Get called on not having any evidence to support your claim. Double down on tantrum without offering evidence. But remember folks, the libtards are the snowflakes.

No one is really challenging your friend's character. What is being challenged, correctly I might add, is the idea that him being a good man means he should be handed the election with votes left to be counted. Thst is ridiculous and undemocratic. You allege misconduct but provide no evidence - meanwhile, the only existing evidence is the pattern of the GOP attempting to curb access to the ballot, and now counting of ballots, nationwide. A rational observer is not able to come to any conclusion except that you are full of shit.

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