The Beto Effect - How To Lose Elections and Influence Nothing

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Re: Small towns -- Gillespie County went 80/20 toward Trump in 2020. There were only 3,200 Biden votes in the county.

Here was Fredericksburg on a Wednesday:

Rally size ain't everything, but to see that three months before an election seems like something notable.

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7 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Re: Small towns -- Gillespie County went 80/20 toward Trump in 2020. There were only 3,200 Biden votes in the county.

Here was Fredericksburg on a Wednesday:

Rally size ain't everything, but to see that three months before an election seems like something notable.

I hope he does well in Gillespie. There are Beto groupies who follow him around like he's Phish, so it's hard to know how many of the people are are from Gillespie County and how many are libs from Austin/SA.

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1 minute ago, miguelito said:

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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

@Beau Vine draws a lot of water in this town.

Is it because he's fat? 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

21 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Is it because he's fat? 

it's because he's a camel

[bolverk 29684]

56 minutes ago, troph said:

I get that being in small town Texas is encouraging for small town Texas progressives. but one interviewed for that article said he was one of 5 democrats in Bowie, TX. Making sure they vote by seeing them isn't how this gets done. Not against Cruz, not against Abbott, not against any Republican.  You can be encouraged to vote by a tight race. This race is tight because of Roe first, Uvalde second, and the Grid third.  Get in the suburbs and rake Abbott across the coals over, and over, and over again.

this is to me the biggest value of the stump speech for him but he's getting these viral moments everywhere, not just in rural Texas.

Oh, I agree and am on record upstream in this thread, saying that once he's done with his tour that he needs to spend all of his time in the big metros and the Valley. But this ain't a bad strategy for the opening salvo of the campaign season. Again, small towns do have their progressives, but living out there you feel like you're the only one so why bother to vote? I guarantee there are more than 5 Democrats in Bowie, but I suspect many of them have given up on voting. This gives them an opportunity to find each other and maybe start building something locally.

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4 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

Maybe he could dress up like a tree

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7 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

No matter how much of that people hear all it takes is “Beto will make Texas socialist” and the dip shits in this state will pull the R lever.   Beto’s only chance is if tons of Republican women vote for Beto on the abortion issue.  That is what he should be hammering Abbott on over and over again. “Abbott is letting your kids get slaughtered in school” may also help get that suburb Republican mom to pull the lever for Beto.    

Or if any of them are paying electricity bills this summer!

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Or if any of them are paying electricity bills this summer!

Those high electricity bills are because of Joe Biden and the Dem/socialist policies.  That is all Abbott would say and every Republican Texan would believe him.

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6 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I hope he does well in Gillespie. There are Beto groupies who follow him around like he's Phish, so it's hard to know how many of the people are are from Gillespie County and how many are libs from Austin/SA.

Well, I think there's a damn good chance that Gillespie has the most corrupt "election" of any county in Texas.  You know.  Because their entire committee just quit.  

[Jersey Man10 3538]

Facebook Feed from when Beto visited our small red town lol

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Sarah Copeland seems like a fucking cunt

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sarah Copeland seems like a fucking cunt

Or not.

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52 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Those high electricity bills are because of Joe Biden and the Dem/socialist policies.  That is all Abbott would say and every Republican Texan would believe him.

i would like to think at a minimum people would realize THERE ARE NO DEMOCRATS IN CONTROL OF TEXAS.

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1 hour ago, mchookem said:

i would like to think at a minimum people would realize THERE ARE NO DEMOCRATS IN CONTROL OF TEXAS.

lulz.  my sweet summer child.

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3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

i would like to think at a minimum people would realize THERE ARE NO DEMOCRATS IN CONTROL OF TEXAS.

The freeze in 2021 was because President AOC shut down the Texas grid that isn’t connected to the national grid with her Green New Deal button to kill republicans in Texas. Everyone knows this. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

The freeze in 2021 was because President AOC shut down the Texas grid that isn’t connected to the national grid with her Green New Deal button to kill republicans in Texas. Everyone knows this. 

I could literally copy and paste this to a text thread with several of my family members (at least one of which i'm pretty sure voted for Biden) and it wouldn't get much, if any, pushback.  We are soooooooo fucked.

[MidTexHorn 822]

10 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

My only regret in that exchange is that Beto didn't ask the guy to explain what a communist is.

Exactly. These idiots don’t have a clue. My Trumptard father in law angrily called me a communist the other day because I had the gall to tell him that some of Trump’s own appointees were criticizing some of his actions as president and they were right. He was literally frothing at the mouth - to be fair he had been drinking.

 I’m an Air Force veteran, literally “fought” the commies in the Cold War, own a small business as a partner in a very conservative law firm, own property, and was a lifelong Republican until I finally realized the error of my ways about 10 years ago. I’m completely 100% not a communist and he would know that if he wasn’t brainwashed. These people are so fucking stupid they don’t even know what they’re saying. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2841]

Coolin' it with Beto at the Barbershop this evening.(Kutinfeds - (NE Dallas)

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by The Original Greaser Bob

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1 hour ago, MidTexHorn said:

These people are so fucking stupid they don’t even know what they’re saying. 

This has been the plan for 40 years and it has come to fruition. 

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1 hour ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Coolin' it with Beto at the Barbershop this evening.(Kutinfeds - (NE Dallas)

 

Abbott supporters cowering in black.  I mean, cowering in back.

Coolin' it with Beto at the Barbershop this evening.(Kutinfeds - (NE Dallas)

 

Abbott supporters cowering in black.  I mean, cowering in back.

Abboutt?

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Abboutt?

Ha ha, I just noticed that.  No wonder they were so polite.  (In reality, I'm developing some kind of serious vision issues.  Which kind of sucks.)

Edited August 20, 2022 by The Original Greaser Bob

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4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Abboutt?

AbbOUTt

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7 hours ago, Jersey Man10 said:

Facebook Feed from when Beto visited our small red town lol

Sarah Copeland is a dumb fuck. I bet she’s totally ok with Trumps 3 marriages, 6 bankruptcies, and his “grab em by the pussy” comment.

 

these people are so dumb and hypocritical. It’s a shame.

Edited August 20, 2022 by Voldemort86

[Guest]

Beto gets the WaPo treatment on his drive, along with a link on Drudge:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/beto-o-rourke-s-risky-quest-for-votes-in-deep-red-texas/ar-AA10TDWj

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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Beto gets the WaPo treatment on his drive, along with a link on Drudge:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/beto-o-rourke-s-risky-quest-for-votes-in-deep-red-texas/ar-AA10TDWj

Thanks for posting this.

 

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Now, everything he says, he links back to Abbott. “People need to know why their electricity bills are going up, why their property taxes are going up, why the lights didn’t turn on last February,” he says. “It’s Greg Abbott, and just be really clear about that.”

The campaign should ask people to bring their residential bills along with them to the town halls. Maybe door prizes to the person with the highest bill. Get creative.

[Disco Strangler 1878]

From the WaPo article on Beto's cross-state efforts - Whitesboro sounds like a real shit hole.

Things turn tense at the end of that long night in Whitesboro. Beto has stayed around to take photos with constituents. About 60 protesters have stuck it out, too, and a dozen march into the church.

“Hey Beto, we’ve been waiting to talk with you!” says a man with a handgun on his hip. A younger guy has a semiautomatic rifle over his shoulder. Beto meets the man with the handgun in the church aisle and engages with him as he repeats a conspiracy theory that the children in Uvalde died because Biden and the Democratic establishment ordered that the police be held back.

“I think you’re operating in a different reality than the one that we live in right now,” says Beto, only giving up reasoning with the man after he refuses to acknowledge that any police officers died after the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“I want to tell you personally, you’re not welcome in this town. You’re not welcome in this county,” says the man.

“There were a lot of people here who welcomed me into this town and this county,” says Beto, as his road campaign manager Cynthia Cano ushers him out the door.

“Beto, Beto, why are you running away?” protesters shout as Beto inches his truck through the throng. “Why wasn’t he in an electric vehicle and wearing a mask?” one says.

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2 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

From the WaPo article on Beto's cross-state efforts - Whitesboro sounds like a real shit hole.

Things turn tense at the end of that long night in Whitesboro. Beto has stayed around to take photos with constituents. About 60 protesters have stuck it out, too, and a dozen march into the church.

“Hey Beto, we’ve been waiting to talk with you!” says a man with a handgun on his hip. A younger guy has a semiautomatic rifle over his shoulder. Beto meets the man with the handgun in the church aisle and engages with him as he repeats a conspiracy theory that the children in Uvalde died because Biden and the Democratic establishment ordered that the police be held back.

“I think you’re operating in a different reality than the one that we live in right now,” says Beto, only giving up reasoning with the man after he refuses to acknowledge that any police officers died after the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“I want to tell you personally, you’re not welcome in this town. You’re not welcome in this county,” says the man.

“There were a lot of people here who welcomed me into this town and this county,” says Beto, as his road campaign manager Cynthia Cano ushers him out the door.

“Beto, Beto, why are you running away?” protesters shout as Beto inches his truck through the throng. “Why wasn’t he in an electric vehicle and wearing a mask?” one says.

These are just lost souls.  Fuck em.  Let em burn.

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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

These are just lost souls.  Fuck em.  Let em burn.

These people will steer Texas politics only if we allow them. We outnumber them, we always have, and we always will so long as we keep them in their place.

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17 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

From the WaPo article on Beto's cross-state efforts - Whitesboro sounds like a real shit hole.

Things turn tense at the end of that long night in Whitesboro. Beto has stayed around to take photos with constituents. About 60 protesters have stuck it out, too, and a dozen march into the church.

“Hey Beto, we’ve been waiting to talk with you!” says a man with a handgun on his hip. A younger guy has a semiautomatic rifle over his shoulder. Beto meets the man with the handgun in the church aisle and engages with him as he repeats a conspiracy theory that the children in Uvalde died because Biden and the Democratic establishment ordered that the police be held back.

“I think you’re operating in a different reality than the one that we live in right now,” says Beto, only giving up reasoning with the man after he refuses to acknowledge that any police officers died after the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“I want to tell you personally, you’re not welcome in this town. You’re not welcome in this county,” says the man.

“There were a lot of people here who welcomed me into this town and this county,” says Beto, as his road campaign manager Cynthia Cano ushers him out the door.

“Beto, Beto, why are you running away?” protesters shout as Beto inches his truck through the throng. “Why wasn’t he in an electric vehicle and wearing a mask?” one says.

base of the party

[Biff Tannen 45691]

12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

These people will steer Texas politics only if we allow them. We outnumber them, we always have, and we always will so long as we keep them in their place.

I mean seriously.  There is no point in wasting effort to get people like this to see the light.  I'm glad that Beto is doing what he is doing, but there are probably at least half of the people in the towns he's going to that are like this.  They will NEVER be rational and it's a waste of time.  I wish that weren't the case, but it really seems to be.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean seriously.  There is no point in wasting effort to get people like this to see the light.  I'm glad that Beto is doing what he is doing, but there are probably at least half of the people in the towns he's going to that are like this.  They will NEVER be rational and it's a waste of time.  I wish that weren't the case, but it really seems to be.

He’s not there for them. He’s there to motivate the 10-20% that might vote for him to go ahead and do so rather than sit it out as a waste of time. 
 

does 82-18 instead of 85-15 in all these little counties cumulatively move the needle for his chances?  I’m no math major. 
 

do his appearances actually motivate the right wing loons that would sit it out as not necessary vote and erase any gains?  I’m no poly sci major. 

Edited August 22, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s not there for them. He’s there to motivate the 10-20% that might vote for him to go ahead and do so rather than sit it out as a waste of time. 

This. There is a non-vocal group of voters that he thinks would show up in November because he cared enough to see their podunk town.

[Pescado_Rojo 19423]

Does Beto have security? I would think (hope) he's at least got a couple plain clothes DPS officers assigned to him, but I don't know. 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s not there for them. He’s there to motivate the 10-20% that might vote for him to go ahead and do so rather than sit it out as a waste of time. 
 

does 82-18 instead of 85-15 in all these little counties cumulatively move the needle for his chances?  I’m no math major. 
 

do his appearances actually motivate the right wing loons that would sit it out as not necessary vote and erase any gains?  I’m no poly sci major. 

 

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

This. There is a non-vocal group of voters that he thinks would show up in November because he cared enough to see their podunk town.

Oh I understand that.  I don't know if the numbers add up, but again, I'm glad he's making the effort.  Just sad that there's a large number of people like this.

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10 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Does Beto have security? I would think (hope) he's at least got a couple plain clothes DPS officers assigned to him, but I don't know. 

If he does, they are very low key. The only security I saw at his Decatur rally (and we're just as redneck) was a few Deputies and local PD. There were gun toters there, but they stayed outside.

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1 hour ago, Disco Strangler said:

From the WaPo article on Beto's cross-state efforts - Whitesboro sounds like a real shit hole.

Things turn tense at the end of that long night in Whitesboro. Beto has stayed around to take photos with constituents. About 60 protesters have stuck it out, too, and a dozen march into the church.

“Hey Beto, we’ve been waiting to talk with you!” says a man with a handgun on his hip. A younger guy has a semiautomatic rifle over his shoulder. Beto meets the man with the handgun in the church aisle and engages with him as he repeats a conspiracy theory that the children in Uvalde died because Biden and the Democratic establishment ordered that the police be held back.

“I think you’re operating in a different reality than the one that we live in right now,” says Beto, only giving up reasoning with the man after he refuses to acknowledge that any police officers died after the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

“I want to tell you personally, you’re not welcome in this town. You’re not welcome in this county,” says the man.

“There were a lot of people here who welcomed me into this town and this county,” says Beto, as his road campaign manager Cynthia Cano ushers him out the door.

“Beto, Beto, why are you running away?” protesters shout as Beto inches his truck through the throng. “Why wasn’t he in an electric vehicle and wearing a mask?” one says.

People like this are so damn sad and pathetic. I mean they can believe what they want to believe, but I doubt anyone here would be caught dead at a Abbott or Cruz rally. You’re just not going to convince anyone there so just stay away. These are such shitty people Beto is dealing with. I truly wouldn’t be sad if a meteor fell on them.

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3 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

I doubt anyone here would be caught dead at a Abbott or Cruz rally. 

We have plenty of people here that think ownership of assault rifles is the most important voting issue. Those people think Abbott is a god.

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3 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Does Beto have security? I would think (hope) he's at least got a couple plain clothes DPS officers assigned to him, but I don't know. 

I would have zero faith in dps 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

7 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Thanks for posting this.

 

The campaign should ask people to bring their residential bills along with them to the town halls. Maybe door prizes to the person with the highest bill. Get creative.

no, because that guy is growing weed and we don't need him outing himself. wait until legalization - another point Beto should be campaigning on. Vets love them some weed. So do most Texans. Should be a no-brainer issue to drum up a few more supporters.

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5 hours ago, royiv said:

We have plenty of people here that think ownership of assault rifles is the most important voting issue. Those people think Abbott is a god.

You know...without the walking

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

no, because that guy is growing weed and we don't need him outing himself. wait until legalization - another point Beto should be campaigning on. Vets love them some weed. So do most Texans. Should be a no-brainer issue to drum up a few more supporters.

If they are that dumb, they would get caught eventually.

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13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

no, because that guy is growing weed and we don't need him outing himself. wait until legalization - another point Beto should be campaigning on. Vets love them some weed. So do most Texans. Should be a no-brainer issue to drum up a few more supporters.

Mentioned it at the rally. 

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21 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Mentioned it at the rally. 

Needs to attack Abbott at the debate on this. Bathroom Dan is stalling all progress on marijuana, but Abbott could still be blamed for it.

Edited August 22, 2022 by Voldemort86

[Biff Tannen 45691]

3 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Mentioned it at the rally. 

 

3 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

Needs to attack Abbott at the debate on this. Bathroom Dan is stalling all progress on marijuana, but Abbott could still be blamed for it.

Is this really an issue that will move the vote for him though?  Not saying I don't agree with it, obviously, but are there that many voters that are either a) not voting because no one is hammering this issue or b) would change their vote from Abbott to Beto over marijuana? I'm not plugged into that issue, so it very well could be, but it seems like that's a side note at this point.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

Is this really an issue that will move the vote for him though?  Not saying I don't agree with it, obviously, but are there that many voters that are either a) not voting because no one is hammering this issue or b) would change their vote from Abbott to Beto over marijuana? I'm not plugged into that issue, so it very well could be, but it seems like that's a side note at this point.

i doubt it's so much that, but it could cause some people who wouldn't otherwise vote see that a candidate polling well and will change the rules in their favor to get out and vote

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10 hours ago, chainsaw said:

These people will steer Texas politics only if we allow them. We outnumber them, we always have, and we always will so long as we keep them in their place.

Where you been the last 30 years?

[Fudge Nuggets 19206]

There was a woman walking down one of the busier streets in town Friday with a homemade sign that said "I love electricity so I love Beto."

Not a great sign in my opinion, but I appreciate her courage to walk around with anything pro-Beto here in aggyland North.

[Voldemort86 2259]

14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

Is this really an issue that will move the vote for him though?  Not saying I don't agree with it, obviously, but are there that many voters that are either a) not voting because no one is hammering this issue or b) would change their vote from Abbott to Beto over marijuana? I'm not plugged into that issue, so it very well could be, but it seems like that's a side note at this point.

Look up how many people showed up in the Oklahoma primary in 2018 to vote for the marijuana state question which was pretty much a lesser version of recreational marijuana.