Larry Nassar thread

[Beau Vine 54429]

Aren't there something like 300 victims? 500 million dollars seems a bit light...

[chainsaw 9873]

9 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Aren't there something like 300 victims? 500 million dollars seems a bit light...

Now they're all going to have to fight over that pot of money.

[Wally Fairway 5586]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Now they're all going to have to fight over that pot of money.

I'm pretty sure that has also been worked out - I'm guessing the first $200 million (maybe more, will go to the attorneys).
If I find anything out about the timing or how it is being split, I'll let y'all know - I think we are going to see at least a couple of the survivors this week at different school related events.

Don't get me wrong, the money will be nice (1 just graduated college, the other hasn't graduated yet), but this doesn't fix some of the issues they have had to deal with.

[Parliament 14296]

Aren't there something like 300 victims? 500 million dollars seems a bit light...

332. $1.5MM for each. Have they all accepted the offer? Or is this just the start of negotiations?

[Wally Fairway 5586]

2 minutes ago, Parliament said:

26 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Aren't there something like 300 victims? 500 million dollars seems a bit light...

332. $1.5MM for each. Have they all accepted the offer? Or is this just the start of negotiations?

I don't think the settlement would have been announced if it wasn't agreed upon (but the MSU BOT has done, and said, some stupid things so there is that)

I think it is great that all of the survivors who had the courage to make statements at the sentencing hearing did so publicly; and I hope that they will be able to find good sound financial advice and deflect all the leeches who will crawl out of the woodwork to separate them from their money.

 

[Parliament 14296]

But they can continue to go after heads.

People who wouldn't be fired for covering it up WILL be fired for losing half a billion goddamn dollars. As stupid as that is, I'll allow it.

[Jhawk 1075]

I wonder how the school is going to come up with those funds.  Based on the most recent financials, they have about 545mm in current assets.  They are going to have to do some interesting jumps to make a $425mm payment.

[woohorn 1131]

Answer rhymes with "paxtayers".

[Wally Fairway 5586]

2 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I wonder how the school is going to come up with those funds.  Based on the most recent financials, they have about 545mm in current assets.  They are going to have to do some interesting jumps to make a $425mm payment.

There has been a lot of talk about whether any of the settlement will be covered by insurance; of course Interim President Engler also talked about having to raise tuition (which is idiotic, to charge current and future students for what happened)

[MNLonghornFUKM 8820]

I wonder how the school is going to come up with those funds.  Based on the most recent financials, they have about 545mm in current assets.  They are going to have to do some interesting jumps to make a $425mm payment.

Good luck have fun

[MNLonghornFUKM 8820]

There has been a lot of talk about whether any of the settlement will be covered by insurance; of course Interim President Engler also talked about having to raise tuition (which is idiotic, to charge current and future students for what happened)

Lulz

[Aqua Buddha 14609]

13 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I wonder how the school is going to come up with those funds.  Based on the most recent financials, they have about 545mm in current assets.  They are going to have to do some interesting jumps to make a $425mm payment.

Perish the thought but maybe it should come out of the athletic budget?  Sorry Izzo and Dantonio....

[Jhawk 1075]

4 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

There has been a lot of talk about whether any of the settlement will be covered by insurance; of course Interim President Engler also talked about having to raise tuition (which is idiotic, to charge current and future students for what happened)

That's rich.

At the most basic level, the means by which the university is going to have to pay for this is exactly why the university officials should be tossed in jail.  Raise tuition because you wanted to cover up a serial rapist?  Drain the endowment that donors pledged to the university because you wanted to cover up a serial rapist?  Sounds to me like a state institution's leaders are misappropriating funds at the least and perpetrating fraud on their donors and students at the most.  Someone should step in (the conference) and tell MSU that they will be withholding all distributions from sports revenue until it has reached the $500mm amount.  Then they will give it back to the school's endowment since the leadership of the school can no longer be trusted.  At the end of the day, MSU's sports program gave Nassar the platform to do what he did and their sports program and sports program alone should pay for the consequences.

[Aqua Buddha 14609]

Meanwhile, Flint doesn't have clean water.

[Wally Fairway 5586]

20 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

That's rich.

At the most basic level, the means by which the university is going to have to pay for this is exactly why the university officials should be tossed in jail.  Raise tuition because you wanted to cover up a serial rapist?  Drain the endowment that donors pledged to the university because you wanted to cover up a serial rapist?  Sounds to me like a state institution's leaders are misappropriating funds at the least and perpetrating fraud on their donors and students at the most.  Someone should step in (the conference) and tell MSU that they will be withholding all distributions from sports revenue until it has reached the $500mm amount.  Then they will give it back to the school's endowment since the leadership of the school can no longer be trusted.  At the end of the day, MSU's sports program gave Nassar the platform to do what he did and their sports program and sports program alone should pay for the consequences.

I understand your point - but MSU College of Medicine was where he worked, and he was renowned in sports medicine because of his affiliation with USA Gymnastics and the Olympics. He was affiliated with MSU sports as he was the team doctor for gymnastics, softball, track and a few others.
I know many want to connect him to Izzo and Dantonio, but there really isn't a connection. Don't get me wrong, there have been problems with the Izzo's players and with Dantonio's, but not to the Nassar level.

I think people here know my posting enough to say that if I thought there was any connection then I'd be calling them out.
Nobody covered up Nassar because they wanted to save the MSU gymnastics team, they did it because they were afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes, that it would put MSU in a bad light and what they ended up with was a bad light that is 1,000x worse than if someone had not ignored what they had been told.

 

Side note: I'm not sure what Flint's water has to do with this, you might as well talk about the EPA superfund sites in Michigan too.

[Parliament 14296]

Regarding liability insurance, Penn State is the model for what will happen here, I think.

And iirc, they paid out whatever it was, then went to their insurance provider for money, AFTER it was all settled. And I'll guess liability insurance will never pay 100%. Next in line is the Michigan Legislature. Not sure how that would go.

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Local talk show guy is going to have on one of the attorneys that represented a group of the survivors - he has covered this story for quite a while

http://player.listenlive.co/40761

[Parliament 14296]

Wally, if there's a replay available, please post it here. Thanks

 

 

 

 

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Here is the statement from Rachael Denhollander (This is the woman who had the courage, spirit and knowledge to start the process that took down Larry Nassar)

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OFFICIAL STATEMENT REGARDING THE SETTLEMENT WITH MSU

Rachael Denhollander
Wednesday, May 16, 2018

 

 

My family and I will be withdrawing for the remainder of the week to take some much needed time together. This process has been incredibly difficult on all of us, including our young children, so for the remainder of the week I will largely unavailable for comment or appearances. However, my official statement regarding the settlement with MSU is below.
 

I am very grateful to have reached a settlement with MSU that reflects the incredible damage which took place on MSU’s campus. I am thankful that the litigation phase is over so that my sisters and I can move forward.
 

I remain deeply disappointed at the missed opportunity for meaningful reform at the University. My choice to come forward publicly against Larry, and later against the institutions that allowed him to prey on children for decades, was motivated by the need for accountability and reform, so that other little children don’t live the nightmares we lived. This is a passion all of the Sister Survivors share, and one which has not diminished or changed. “Moving forward”, for myself and many others, means continuing to advocate, call for accountability, and stand for those who have yet to have a voice. This includes continuing to advocate for desperately needed accountability and change at USAG and in the USOC. I remain disappointed that resolution was not reached with these other organizations who also enabled a serial predator for decades.
 

I am deeply aware that behind me and my sisters are hundreds of survivors who still have no voice. Who still have no access to the court systems because of outdated and archaic criminal and civil statutes of limitations – some of the worst in the entire country. I renew my call, therefore, for the MI House of Representatives to stand for these survivors, ask themselves “what is right?” and “What does the data truly show?”, and pass the reform package we so desperately need as a first step in legislative reform.

The litigation phase is over, but the fight for change and accountability, the fight to give survivors a voice and protect the next generation, has only just begun. We intend to stand united with, and for, ALL survivors of abuse as we work together towards these goals.

I am also deeply grateful for the journalists who worked so tirelessly to find and tell the truth so that reform can come. Please continue this fight with us. Sexual assault and the cultural and institutional dynamics that allow it to flourish are everywhere, and need to be uncovered and exposed in all their ugliness.

To everyone who has supported us and pushed with us for reform, please know how much your voices have meant to me, and to all of us, through this process. Please keep standing with us – there is so much left to be done.

 

[Jhawk 1075]

1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

I understand your point - but MSU College of Medicine was where he worked, and he was renowned in sports medicine because of his affiliation with USA Gymnastics and the Olympics. He was affiliated with MSU sports as he was the team doctor for gymnastics, softball, track and a few others.
I know many want to connect him to Izzo and Dantonio, but there really isn't a connection. Don't get me wrong, there have been problems with the Izzo's players and with Dantonio's, but not to the Nassar level.

I think people here know my posting enough to say that if I thought there was any connection then I'd be calling them out.
Nobody covered up Nassar because they wanted to save the MSU gymnastics team, they did it because they were afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes, that it would put MSU in a bad light and what they ended up with was a bad light that is 1,000x worse than if someone had not ignored what they had been told.

 

Side note: I'm not sure what Flint's water has to do with this, you might as well talk about the EPA superfund sites in Michigan too.

Yeah, you've been great about keeping everything in perspective and keeping us updated.  I also don't think it is about football or basketball in the least.  But it is about the administration and the coaches and those same administrators oversee FB and BB so there is going to be collateral damage there. 

At the end of the day the most directly involved admins were in the AD.  The college of medicine admins and the university admins are probably the next in line for culpability.  Should basketball be punished?  No.  Absolutely not, in my opinion.  But the fact of the matter is that $500mm needs to be paid and the thought that future students or donors to the school should foot the bill is disgusting.  The conference should make the school take it out of their operational coffers and if they don't then kick them out of the big10.  That might mean that MSU basketball doesn't get to fly on a private charter for the next few years.  That might mean that MSU can't afford to give a $100k raise to the strength and conditioning coach for football.  The penalty is going to trickle down all throughout the AD and it should.  At the end of the day this isn't just a gymnastics coach trying to cover something up.  It is the leaders of the school.  If that means that everyone on staff needs to take a 10% pay cut then make it happen.  If that leads to Izzo leaving for the NBA then that sucks but MSU made this bed and they should sleep in it.  Not the 16 year old kid in high school that has never played a sport in their life but wants to go to MSU because it is their cheapest option to get a good degree from a prominent school.

[Wally Fairway 5586]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

Wally, if there's a replay available, please post it here. Thanks

Here is the link to his webcast

https://www.schuilingreport.com/

or directly from Spreaker - https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-schuiling-report

[heso 2816]

4 hours ago, Parliament said:

Regarding liability insurance, Penn State is the model for what will happen here, I think.

And iirc, they paid out whatever it was, then went to their insurance provider for money, AFTER it was all settled. And I'll guess liability insurance will never pay 100%. Next in line is the Michigan Legislature. Not sure how that would go.

PSU’s insurer initially tried to avoid paying any of the $100 million because they were never notified of an increased expectation of risk. PSU’s argument was that the people who would have made such a notification had no idea anything happened. 

They ended up settling for an undisclosed amount. 

MSU will fight the same battle of who knew what and when. 

[Parliament 14296]

4 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

Here is the link to his webcast

https://www.schuilingreport.com/

or directly from Spreaker - https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-schuiling-report

Definitely worth the 38 minutes.  Next up is USA Gymnastics.  Great quote from that attorney: " They won't go down without a fight, and we intend to oblige them."

[Steel Shank 9432]

Nassar police interview video.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/larry-nassar-blames-his-victims-calls-himself-victim-in-newly-released-videos_us_5afc5762e4b0a59b4dffb032

 

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Now what I'm reading today gets me a little pissed (actually more that a little), but I'm waiting to see if I'm over reacting.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/05/16/michigan-state-larry-nassar-victims-settlement/34980415/

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A source close to the university, however, said that the tentative deal reached Tuesday was contingent on Michigan lawmakers dropping the legislative package before the Legislature. Nassar victims were to pull their support, the source said, at which point it was expected that the Republican Legislature would follow suit.

The settlement also requires the victims to withdraw their support for a bill that would waive minors from legal notice requirements in such lawsuits, Manly said.

Apparently the $500M deal has a condition that survivors need to pull their support from proposed legislation in Michigan that would extend the period to file charges (I'm not fully clear if criminal, civil, or both) to 30 years. This legislation is opposed by large institutions (colleges, large corporations and the Catholic Church).

So I read that the opponents of the proposed bill say that it would expose them to too much litigation and risk; I see it as a way to hide from their past. Anytime you have the Catholic Church siding with you to limit litigation is a huge red flag for me (and I was raised Catholic, but no I was not abused - other than rulers on knuckles type stuff).
I think this deal could blow up if some of the leaders of the survivors (Denhollander) pull their support.

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Indianapolis Star with an article (expose) on USA Gymnastics, and their covering up the investigation they had on Nassar

huge respect for the work the Star has done on this case, they are really the ones who broke the initial story and have kept digging

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/05/24/larry-nassar-being-investigated-sexual-abuse-usa-gymnastics-agreed-cover/599381002/

[Beau Vine 54429]

Nice.

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United States marshals on Wednesday served the former Michigan State University president Lou Anna K. Simon with a subpoena to compel her to testify before a Senate committee, a spokesman for the committee said.

Dr. Simon, who resigned from Michigan State in January under pressure from the Lawrence G. Nassar sex abuse case, had voluntarily agreed to testify at the Senate committee’s hearing on May 22 regarding sex abuse in sports. But that hearing was postponed to June 5 because several individuals asked to testify — including the former U.S.A. Gymnastics president Steve Penny — said they could not appear that day.

With the new hearing date approaching, Dr. Simon’s lawyer refused to accept service of the subpoena on her behalf, so the marshals began looking for Dr. Simon, said the committee spokesman, Frederick Hill. The marshals served her in Traverse City, Mich., on Wednesday afternoon.

Mr. Hill said Dr. Simon’s lawyer was Mayer Morganroth. He could not be reached for comment.

Mr. Penny, who resigned from U.S.A. Gymnastics last year, was subpoenaed to testify next week and will appear at the hearing. Also scheduled to testify is Rhonda Faehn, who was the coordinator for the United States women’s gymnastics team until being ousted last month as part of the organization restructuring. Ms. Faehn agreed to testify, without a need for a subpoena.

 

[Parliament 14296]

Federal Marshals tolerate zero fuckery.

[NWBuck 8586]

Don't know if this belongs here or over in the Jim Jordan thread in Politics, but this is a great article about the investigation going on at Ohio State:

TLDR- Former team doctor for the wrestling team accused of a history of sexual assault

11W: Them Too

[Buzzrock 14941]

Don’t know if this was covered elsewhere but this was awesome last night:

https://es.pn/2LnQ6Ij

140 survivors on stage at the ESPYs to receive the Arthur Ashe award.

[TonyTexas 10527]

Nice

Disgraced former sports doctor Larry Nassar was assaulted by inmates at the Arizona penitentiary where he is serving a de facto life sentence after pleading guilty to sexual assault and child pornography charges, according to court documents.

Nassar was "physically attacked" within hours after being released into the general population at the United States Penitentiary in Tucson, Arizona, according to documents filed Tuesday by Nassar's attorneys in Ingraham County Circuit Court.

Nassar's attorneys are asking that he be re-sentenced by a different judge in the first of the molestation cases he face. Nassar, 54, who is serving a 60-year federal sentence for possessing child pornography, was also sentenced to up to 175 years in state prison for molesting seven girls.

[Deej 76919]

Boggs and the other sisters had taken a liking to Larry.

[Buzzrock 14941]

I’m not usually an Old Testament Justice kind of guy, but if it had been my daughter...yeah fuck that guy.

[phdhorn 6224]

17 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Nassar was "physically attacked" within hours after being released into the general population at the United States Penitentiary in Tucson, Arizona.

Hey Red, take my $5 off of Fatass and put it on the new pencil dick.

[BigHorn'13 3387]

20 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I’m not usually an Old Testament Justice kind of guy, but if it had been my daughter...yeah fuck that guy.

Has nothing to do with it. Death penalty aside, justice is full on display when the person goes to general population. Anything having to do with kids is a green light for inmates. That is justice. 

[Jameslaw121 4448]

21 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Nice

Disgraced former sports doctor Larry Nassar was assaulted by inmates at the Arizona penitentiary where he is serving a de facto life sentence after pleading guilty to sexual assault and child pornography charges, according to court documents.

Nassar was "physically attacked" within hours after being released into the general population at the United States Penitentiary in Tucson, Arizona, according to documents filed Tuesday by Nassar's attorneys in Ingraham County Circuit Court.

Nassar's attorneys are asking that he be re-sentenced by a different judge in the first of the molestation cases he face. Nassar, 54, who is serving a 60-year federal sentence for possessing child pornography, was also sentenced to up to 175 years in state prison for molesting seven girls.

Yeah, I'm normally against the extra-judicial happenings in prison. I think it's prison's responsibility for these things not happen. 

 

But, I can make an exception......

[Beau Vine 54429]

lulz...

 

[Parliament 14296]

Bold move, Cotton.

[MissingInAction 25183]

They knew exactly what was going to happen once he entered genpop. That's why they did it, and I fucking applaud them. 

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Gymnastics, a betrayal of trust - Indianapolis Star summary investigative report summarizing 20+ years of abuse

(this in no way is meant to take the spotlight away from MSU, but rather to expose a broader problem)

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/12/15/20-year-toll-368-gymnasts-allege-sexual-exploitation/95198724/

[Wally Fairway 5586]

an interview with a monster - MSUPD Munford 2016 interrogation of Nassar

 

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

Former MSU gymnastics coach pleads not guilty to lying to police

 

 

 

 

In 1997, Klages was, sort of, in Alderson’s role. The influential coach was in power, capable of doling out praise, pointers and Big Ten scholarships. The hesitant person in front of her was a then 16-year-old named Larissa Boyce, a member of the MSU Youth Gymnastics Club.

It was Boyce who mustered up the courage and conviction to allegedly tell Klages that Nassar, a university doctor, had sexually abused her during a treatment session on campus.

Klages response was to call the entire youth club together and ask if anyone else had a similar experience. Boyce was horrified and humiliated. Still, one other gymnast said she had.

Klages did not report the allegation, though. Instead she met with Boyce and, according to Boyce, cautioned against accusing Nassar of such a severe crime, suggesting it could be reasonable medical treatment. Klages and Nassar were friends, something Boyce said she didn’t know at the time nor truly understood due to her age. “If I had known, I would have never gone to her,” Boyce said last January at Nassar’s sentencing hearing.

Later, when Boyce again met with Nassar, the doctor pulled up a stool and, according to Boyce’s testimony, said, “… so, I talked to Kathie.” Boyce, unaware that Nassar had been told of her allegation, said she was further embarrassed and frightened.

 

If Boyce’s story is true – and she has told it over and over in and out of court – Klages had the chance to stop a monster early. The vast majority of Nassar’s victims came after 1997, when he was a young doctor in his early 30s. His assaults increased in frequency through the years as he became embolden and confident, moving beyond local mid-Michigan teens and preteens to include Olympic champions and young adults.

Nassar, at a plea hearing in November 2017, called his actions, “a match that turned into a forest fire out of control.”

Klages may have been able to snuff out the match.

“This could have stopped in 1997,” Boyce said last January, at Nassar’s emotionally charged week-long sentencing hearing. “But instead of notifying authorities or even my parents, we were interrogated. We were led to believe we were misunderstanding a medical technique.

 

“… I told somebody,” Boyce continued. “I told an adult. I told Michigan State University. Instead of being protected, I was humiliated and told that I was the problem.”

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-michigan-state-coach-set-defend-alleged-inaction-larry-nassar-scandal-143238016.html

 

[Wally Fairway 5586]

As long as it took for the legal system to bring charges, apparently USA Gymnastics is only a day or two quicker in making important decisions.

Klages was permanently banned just 2 days ago by that association

 

[C-Man 27262]

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A lawsuit against Michigan State University filed by former Michigan State field hockey player Erika Davis alleges that disgraced former university doctor Larry Nassar sedated, raped, and impregnated her. The suit also claims that former athletic director George Perles, who is now a university trustee, intervened on Nassar’s behalf, and that university police refused to help her.

According to the suit, Davis went to see Nassar after she hurt her knee while playing field hockey for the school, at which point Nassar—after giving her an inappropriate breast exam—asked her to return for a full examination a week later. Davis’s suit says that when she returned for the exam, Nassar had a camera set up to record the appointment and had Davis drink a crushed-up pill. The suit says Davis suddenly got tired and woozy, and awoke an hour later to find Nassar in the process of raping her.

 

 

The suit says Davis reported the incident to her coach, Martha Ludwig, who went to Nassar and demanded the recording of his appointment with Davis. Ludwig then went to talk to Perles, who allegedly shut the inquiry down. From the suit:

The coach then complained about what Defendant Nassar did to Plaintiff Erika to thecurrent Athletic Director at Defendant Michigan State University.

George Perles, former Athletic Director at Defendant Michigan State University intervenedand the charges were dropped against the coach, but she was forced to return the video,resign and sign a non-disclosure agreement. Upon information and belief, Coach Marthamade and retained a copy of the videotape.

The suit alleges that Davis went to the university police department to report the rape, but was told that she had to report it through the athletic department because she was an athlete. From the suit:

In October of 1992, Plaintiff Erika and her friends went to the Michigan State University police department and reported the rape. The police told them that since she was an athlete, she had to report it to the athletic department. The detective explicitly told them that he was powerless to investigate anything that takes place to the athletic department and to goto the athletic department.

Plaintiff Erika explained that the athletic department already dismissed it and the Sergeantresponded that George Perles is a “powerful man,” and she should just drop it.

Shortly after the alleged rape, Davis took a pregnancy test that came back positive, and later miscarried, according to the suit. Davis says she was a virgin before she was assaulted by Nassar, and that he was the only one who could have impregnated her.

You can read the full complaint below:

https://deadspin.com/lawsuit-claims-larry-nassar-raped-and-impregnated-field-1828972781

[BlueGreySky 1032]

Awful.  Simply awful.  

[Deej 76919]

Hoping the prison guards look the other way while another inmate Dahmer's him.

[freyguy 4289]

On 9/11/2018 at 5:53 PM, C-Man said:

https://deadspin.com/lawsuit-claims-larry-nassar-raped-and-impregnated-field-1828972781

Say what????

[Wally Fairway 5586]

Former MSU President Lou Anna Simon charged today for lying to police investigators, in the Nassar investigations.
I hope she has to do a public perp walk when she is arrested; though I'm guessing they will negotiate the arrest time & place.
FWIW - she has not been place on leave, without pay. Since retirement she has, if I recall correctly, been on paid sabbatical as a professor emeritus (making something like $700K)

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2018/11/20/msu-michigan-state-lou-anna-simon-larry-nassar-criminal-charges/2068121002/

[Genco 3041]

That's one way to handle it.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/25588001/michigan-state-attempted-stonewall-investigation-larry-nassar-according-michigan-attorney-general-office

[Wally Fairway 5586]

47 minutes ago, Genco said:

That's one way to handle it.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/25588001/michigan-state-attempted-stonewall-investigation-larry-nassar-according-michigan-attorney-general-office

This type of shit is why many have been calling for the BOT to step down. They are so far from understanding the impact and implications it is almost unbelievable.

I used to think they were incredibly tone-deaf, but really they all just have their heads up their ass.