CA fires: 75k homes evacuated in SoCal, NorCal town of 26k destroyed

[Stunns38 3560]

what's starting these fires?

Record dry conditions are a major factor. We’ll eventually know if it was arson or accidental(cigarette, construction, car sparks, etc).

[Wally Fairway 5590]

13 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

what's starting these fires?

I can't say about these fires, but I had an uncle who lived up near Running Springs in 2003 and he had to evacuate due to a fire up along Rim of the World Highway. If I recall correctly, it was determined to be started by arcing power lines that were swaying in the high winds and/or due to branches coming in contact with them or falling on the wires.
 

[Gil Bang 26051]

often it's power lines that are blown down by high winds, although in the cases of the current fires, I'm not sure it's been determined.

In the deadly Fallbrook Fires last December, the authorities have determined the point of origin of the fire, down to a single square foot, but couldn't determine a cause.  They suspect it was a spark from a passing vehicle. like a truck pulling a trailer with a dragging safety chain or something similar.

Edited November 12, 2018 by Gil Bang

[Biff Tannen 45750]

Yeah I follow a blog from someone in Northern California and he is adamant that all power lines should be buried to help stop this.

[WhatTheBuck 28811]

7 hours ago, Gourmand said:

 https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/He-couldn-t-save-his-friends-Now-Camp-Fire-13382947.php

"I can’t believe my truck and my dogs made it,” he said. “I can’t wrap my brain around it. This is the Holy Spirit at work.”

No. No it's not. Your friends all died. Your dogs just got lucky. 

[C-Man 27285]

43 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

"I can’t believe my truck and my dogs made it,” he said. “I can’t wrap my brain around it. This is the Holy Spirit at work.”

No. No it's not. Your friends all died. Your dogs just got lucky. 

Man, that dude went through quite an ordeal. I'd cut him a little slack.

[WhatTheBuck 28811]

8 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Man, that dude went through quite an ordeal. I'd cut him a little slack.

Read the article and get back to us. 

[hayden_horn 11365]

i know about how naming the fires goes, but surely we could have done better than the "camp fire?" that sort of cheapens it, in my opinion.

[Gil Bang 26051]

 

[Bevo 13602]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

"I can’t believe my truck and my dogs made it,” he said. “I can’t wrap my brain around it. This is the Holy Spirit at work.”

No. No it's not. Your friends all died. Your dogs just got lucky. 

I might believe you if his truck didn't make it out too.

[C-Man 27285]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Read the article and get back to us. 

I read it. He shot video of the aftermath. OK, I can see somebody take umbrage with that. But somebody else shared it on YouTube -- not him. Again, he went and warned these people of the coming fire and damn near died himself.

[Paco 1934]

No shit. The one up in Lake county earlier this summer was the Car fire. Or maybe Carr, but whatever. I couldn't figure out what people were talking about.

i know about how naming the fires goes, but surely we could have done better than the "camp fire?" that sort of cheapens it, in my opinion.

[Gil Bang 26051]

It's really windy, so power lines being de-energized in places.

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28811]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I might believe you if his truck didn't make it out too.

Christ is king. 

[Macanudo 13018]

11 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Christ is king. 

Like a rock?

[Deej 76971]

5 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

what's starting these fires?

People, please stop sending your mix tapes.

[Beau Vine 54471]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

"I can’t believe my truck and my dogs made it,” he said. “I can’t wrap my brain around it. This is the Holy Spirit at work.”

No. No it's not. Your friends all died. Your dogs just got lucky. 

Dogs are smarter than his friends?

[bolverk 29737]

11 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Interesting thread.

 

 

This should be required reading.

[BrickTop 477]

as a newb....how in the hell do you contain these things? Im watching videos of a single fire truck trying to put out a fire in an obviously destroyed house thinking to myself "theres hundreds of other single fire trucks doing the same thing and this sucker is still spreading"
 
Basically does it burn out an area of land until it reaches a highway and you pray it doesnt jump the highway?

Air tankers, fire lines and Backburns......the engines will be assigned to structural protection no hand line will touch a fire like that, you basically try to get far enough ahead of it and bulldoze out all the fuel or backburn the fuel out ahead of it so when the fires converge there is nothing left to burn. The problem is with wind that fast it’s a real dicey guessing game choosing where an anchor point that’s far enough ahead.


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[Fozzz 152]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

This should be required reading.

Be careful not to "politicize" this tragedy though.  You might offend someone.  

[Txzen 498]

You have to understand the weather out here, at least for most of these areas. The last rain we get is in April, maybe May. It's then more or less bone dry until October. Usually we see the first rains by now, but we haven't. So: dry, unseasonably warm and the weather pattern has a strong wind which is forming East to West. It doesn't take much to create a catastrophe. It's not supposed to be warm dry and windy in November. 

That said, the dropping stock price of PGE may tell you where the pundits at least thing the spark initiated from.

 

[SurlyBDR 22853]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

[Wally Pryor 5263]

The fire in the process of destroying Paradise.  Wow. 

[AUS-97HORN 11824]

dammit that looks like a damn volcano

[Rip76 4968]

Are there any live news sources giving out information, live streaming, etc?  

Edited November 13, 2018 by Rip76

[Smax 3800]

6 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Are there any live news sources giving out information, live streaming, etc?  

weather channel occasionally but all the major news outlets are too focused on what trump tweets next

[Beau Vine 54471]

[Wally Fairway 5590]

3 hours ago, Rip76 said:

Are there any live news sources giving out information, live streaming, etc?  

When I want local coverage I just Google local TV or newspapers. 

Yesterday I watched a couple of LA stations to get a deferential perspective than what you were in the national coverage. 

[MissingInAction 25211]

Some men just want to watch California burn.

[clapclapclap 9000]

^^^^^

Edited November 13, 2018 by clapclapclap
365 degrees of separation

[Wally Fairway 5590]

25 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

When I want local coverage I just Google local TV or newspapers. 

Yesterday I watched a couple of LA stations to get a deferential perspective than what you were in the national coverage. 

Here is a TV station out of Chico

https://www.actionnewsnow.com/

[El Diablo 4232]

23 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

i know about how naming the fires goes, but surely we could have done better than the "camp fire?" that sort of cheapens it, in my opinion.

"Homeless Fire"? Too negative?

[workswithseed 2123]

On 11/12/2018 at 1:51 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

"I can’t believe my truck and my dogs made it,” he said. “I can’t wrap my brain around it. This is the Holy Spirit at work.”

No. No it's not. Your friends all died. Your dogs just got lucky. 

I mean why don't you just piss on his friends grave and tell him God don't exist.

[XYZ 2154]

Your shit is spared in a fire -> “holy spirit at work”

Your shit burns in a fire -> “the ways of the Lord are mysterious”

[CooterBrown 18033]

That said, the dropping stock price of PGE may tell you where the pundits at least thing the spark initiated from.
 

I’d guess it’s because they’ll lose over 100,000+ customers and the fact that major system repairs will be O&M and not capital work costing them a fuck load of money.

[CleverNickname 1321]

It's Camp Fire because it stated on Camp Road, fwiw. 

[Zepol87 9195]

Holy ahit. This shit is insane

[workswithseed 2123]

3 hours ago, XYZ said:

Your shit is spared in a fire -> “holy spirit at work”

Your shit burns in a fire -> “the ways of the Lord are mysterious”

I think you mean "testing me", but I get ya. Hey, the man wants to appoint God as his savior, then you can't just go "fuck him for everything"

[gecko 1104]

Check this out. Comments are interesting about whether staying in the tunnel would have been a “safe move”. What would the surlys do...?

[MNLonghornFUKM 8823]

all I see are jokes about women coming 

[Wally Fairway 5590]

not sure if already posted - badass (and likely a lucky dumbass)

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/11/14/brad-weldon-fire-house-california-valencia-pkg-vpx.cnn

 

 

 

[hayden_horn 11365]

15 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

It's Camp Fire because it stated on Camp Road, fwiw. 

actually, to be totally pedantic, it was camp creek road. could call it that. camp creek fire. or creek fire. 

it's just a strange thing for me to focus on. i know that.

it just seems weird to call a catastrophic fire "the camp fire"

[Beau Vine 54471]

Was discussing this with the wife last night... The Cali wildfires have gotten so prominent (over 5% of the state has burned in the past 5 years), that if you're asking me which natural disaster I'd prefer to risk living in (quality of living not considered)...

1.  Hurricanes

2.  Tornadoes

3.  Western wildfires

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

26 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Was discussing this with the wife last night... The Cali wildfires have gotten so prominent (over 5% of the state has burned in the past 5 years), that if you're asking me which natural disaster I'd prefer to risk living in (quality of living not considered)...

1.  Hurricanes

2.  Tornadoes

3.  Western wildfires

Gimme a hurricane if I have to ride something out.

[Macanudo 13018]

41 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Was discussing this with the wife last night... The Cali wildfires have gotten so prominent (over 5% of the state has burned in the past 5 years), that if you're asking me which natural disaster I'd prefer to risk living in (quality of living not considered)...

1.  Hurricanes

2.  Tornadoes

3.  Western wildfires

This is why I regret leaving Washington state.   The only thing I had to worry about was mudfllows and lava from the next time Mt. Rainier decides to burp.

[AUS-97HORN 11824]

18 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

This is why I regret leaving Washington state.   The only thing I had to worry about was mudfllows and lava from the next time Mt. Rainier decides to burp.

yes, but then you would have still been subjected to rando people from the internet mailing you whataburger's so you could get the smell but not be able to eat them.....

[Beau Vine 54471]

36 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

This is why I regret leaving Washington state.   The only thing I had to worry about was mudfllows and lava from the next time Mt. Rainier decides to burp.

I had a housemate at the U-Dub (who grew up in Renton) who once asked me how people could deal with living where there are tornadoes. 

Me: "I lived in the Dallas area for 20 years and never got hit by a tornado.  Here, I wake up and it's cold and raining and shitty for 8 months of the year.  How do you deal with that?"

Him: "That's actually a good point."
 

I looked him up a few years ago -- he lives in San Diego now.

[BillyGoatHill 4312]

7 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I had a housemate at the U-Dub (who grew up in Renton) who once asked me how people could deal with living where there are tornadoes. 

Me: "I lived in the Dallas area for 20 years and never got hit by a tornado.  Here, I wake up and it's cold and raining and shitty for 8 months of the year.  How do you deal with that?"

Him: "That's actually a good point."
 

I looked him up a few years ago -- he lives in San Diego now.

Finally got me to move back to Texas..... almost 25 years of that bullshit.

[jdhorn92 1558]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Was discussing this with the wife last night... The Cali wildfires have gotten so prominent (over 5% of the state has burned in the past 5 years), that if you're asking me which natural disaster I'd prefer to risk living in (quality of living not considered)...

1.  Hurricanes

2.  Tornadoes

3.  Western wildfires

You know the rules.

[SurlyBDR 22853]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Was discussing this with the wife last night... The Cali wildfires have gotten so prominent (over 5% of the state has burned in the past 5 years), that if you're asking me which natural disaster I'd prefer to risk living in (quality of living not considered)...

1.  Hurricanes

2.  Tornadoes

3.  Western wildfires

Tornadoes are the dickheads of natural disasters. YouTube will not let me embed this so they are dickheads, too.