Major Applewhite Gets into Heated Exchange with DT Ed Oliver

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17 minutes ago, po elvis said:

these players are getting a value of several million dollars out of the arrangement.

You misspelled "universities"

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In contrast to other common neurological diseases, such as stroke and Alzheimer disease, TBI is most prevalent in younger populations, with the 0–4-year and 15–19-year age groups experiencing the highest rates of incidence (Mitka, 2010). Overall, TBI is more prevalent than breast cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, and spinal cord injury combined; however, these data reflect only the number of neurotrauma patients seeking emergency medical treatment and overlook an increasing number of mTBI victims (e.g., concussions) who fail to obtain medical evaluation. As a result, TBI is now commonly regarded as a “silent epidemic.”

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Concussions occur in nearly all adolescent sporting activities; however, athletes participating in combative sports are not surprisingly at the highest risk for sustaining concussion (Grady, 2010; Meehan, d'Hemecourt, & Comstock, 2010; “Practice Parameter: The Management of Concussion in Sports (Summary Statement),” 2011). In 1994, the National Football League (NFL) recognized that concussions represented a major issue in athletes, resulting in the formation of a committee to study the issue of concussion in professional football players. On the basis of the recommendations of the NFL, helmets and mouthpieces were redesigned to provide improved safety and helmet-to-helmet contact was banned (Pellman & Viano, 2006). However, in the past several years, a large number of former NFL players reported neuropsychiatric disorders, including increased aggression, erratic behavior, and suicidal tendencies (Solomon, Ott, & Lovell, 2011). Although the precise causes of these neurological deficits remain under intense investigation, repetitive mTBIs over the career of the athlete (which may have been undiagnosed or unappreciated at the time of the injury) may result in the development of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a progressive degenerative disease that is related to dementia pugilistica in boxers. Indeed, very recent postmortem brain analysis demonstrated this devastating condition in at least a dozen former professional athletes, including retired NFL players, as well as numerous former ice hockey players in the National Hockey League (Kusinski, 2011; Schwarz, 2010a). Perhaps more troublesome and most relevant to the present review, a 21-year-old collegiate football player with no prior history of depression suddenly experienced an emotional collapse and committed suicide. Postmortem analysis of his brain revealed the development of early-stage CTE (Schwarz, 2010b). Although a causative link between CTE and suicide remains speculative in this individual, this case study suggests that even amateur athletes may be susceptible to the long-term consequences of concussion.

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by ztejas

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10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Judging on your post history in this thread - this may come as a surprise to you - but the younger you are the more likely you are to suffer a TBI. The NFL - meanwhile - already has and has had an out of control issue with TBI/concussion/CTE. 

Adding 18 year olds to the mix would be incomprehensibly stupid for the NFL to do for the single factor that it poses a major health and safety hazard. There is nothing else worth discussing. End of story. 

Next you're going to tell me you think we should give 13 year olds driver's licenses. 

This country lets 18 year olds (17 with parental consent) take a bullet for it... To each their own, not going to change many peoples minds on topics like this, nobody has to agree with me. If we are worried about safety hazard and mental health we should just do away with all combat and contact sports. You aren't any more safe running into someone head first over and over again as a 30 year old as you are as a 19 year old. Both are dangerous.

I do however support the limiting of contact sports among-st young children. Don't believe there is any reason for an 8 year old or even 13 year old to be playing tackle football. You can learn how to tackle fairly easily, no reason to start that early.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Texas25

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6 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

The Universities do not offer four year scholarships. The have the option to renew scholarships on an annual basis. If Universities start guaranteeing four year scholarships then they may have recourse to seek scholarship reimbursement for players that leave early. 

Several million dollars? Bullshit. According to what study?

it cost a lot of money to equip, train, house, feed, coach and showcase these players

90%+ of the college programs do not make a profit they have a lot of income and even more expenses.....and those that complain about the "expenses" miss out on the part where those high priced facilities and all of the other bullshit including high priced coaches are what sells to those "top athletes" that waste space in college classes

if they are not happy with that arrangement then players can start going to D1-AA schools that pay their coaches less or they can take their talents "to the market".....oh wait there is no market for them and that is not the fault of colleges and for 90%+ of college football players there will NEVER be a market for their skills so they better place some value on that food, clothing and most of all that education

you pretend that food, dorms, gear, transpiration, TV, trainers, coaches, stajiums, practice bubbles and all of that other shit is just FREE FREE FREE much less you ignore the FACt that the vast majority of college programs operate on a deficit and have FOREVER and most likely always will they need donors, student fees, and in some places state or even local money for all of their shit to exist for the BENEFIT of players  

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2 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

You aren't any more safe running into someone head first over and over again as a 30 year old as you are as a 19 year old.

Except you literally fucking are and I just cited a study that proves you wrong on multiple levels. Just stop. Please. I refuse to believe you are this dumb. 

Also -  no one is forcing NFL players to sign something saying "Hey, there's a chance you take a bullet to the chest and bleed out in a 105 degree desert 10,000 miles from home." That's a ridiculous analogy. We haven't drafted kids in 50 years. 

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39 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Nah, sick of watching guys quit on their teams, let the guys who head to college knowing they are going to quit midway through their Junior season go straight out of high school and let NFL organizations and the player decide how they want to handle their development. Pretty simple. There are guys who depending on their birth date would be 19 before the first game of the NFL season rolls around. If they sit out a year they would be 20 by the time they are taking their first snap. You're splitting hairs when saying a 19-20 year old isn't ready but a 21 year old is. Just creating arbitrary barriers at that point.

Quit?  Because there are NEVER any 5* busts coming out of HS....which GM is going to waste a high draft pick on a HS kid?  You have no idea if the kid is even any good?  Where his head is at?  Lots of kids look good against other HS kids.  Nor is an NFL S&C camp night & day better than college - biggest difference is those guys don't have class restrictions.  

The bust rate on this would be prohibitively high to waste limited picks on.  Physically, maybe RB's or skill players "could" try it.  But they'd more than likely get killed by much more advanced players.  Not just physically either.  Players learn over time in games.  You can't simulate that over practicing YOY and giving them gym time.  And the assumption is they are getting paid something?  So they have these moderate to small signing bonuses to essentially just practice and lift weights for 3-4 years in the hopes they grow up big, fast, & strong?

The only position you simply cannot miss on YOY is QB.  It's by far the most important role.  Name one HS QB ready...physically, but especially mentally, for the speed and complexity of the NFL?  You can't simulate that in practice.  

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

 

8 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

it cost a lot of money to equip, train, house, feed, coach and showcase these players

90%+ of the college programs do not make a profit they have a lot of income and even more expenses.....and those that complain about the "expenses" miss out on the part where those high priced facilities and all of the other bullshit including high priced coaches are what sells to those "top athletes" that waste space in college classes

if they are not happy with that arrangement then players can start going to D1-AA schools that pay their coaches less or they can take their talents "to the market".....oh wait there is no market for them and that is not the fault of colleges and for 90%+ of college football players there will NEVER be a market for their skills so they better place some value on that food, clothing and most of all that education

you pretend that food, dorms, gear, transpiration, TV, trainers, coaches, stajiums, practice bubbles and all of that other shit is just FREE FREE FREE much less you ignore the FACt that the vast majority of college programs operate on a deficit and have FOREVER and most likely always will they need donors, student fees, and in some places state or even local money for all of their shit to exist for the BENEFIT of players  

I think the PLAYERS should be treated like HORSES and live in STABLES and eat OATS and only allowed out to play FOOTBALL and should be GRATEFUL that the SCHOOLS even give them OATS because they are stupid HORSES. 

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7 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

This country lets 18 year olds (17 with parental consent) take a bullet for it

The reason the military takes these younger kids is not because of their body, but for their young, malleable minds.  18yr old kids do what you tell them to do.  Requisite #1 for the armed services.  Even in specialized units, they require time and maturity.  Almost all require years of service prior.  

[perfectchaos007 6677]

The student athlete mirage the NCAA pushes crumbles when a player is good enough to make big money in the NFL. Those players have to look out for their career interest, and it’s in their best interest to protect their body from harm until they get paid

[BabaYaga 15302]

3 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

The student athlete mirage the NCAA pushes crumbles when a player is good enough to make big money in the NFL. Those players have to look out for their career interest, and it’s in their best interest to protect their body from harm until they get paid

Fine, then drop out of school.  Give back your scholarship.  Hire a personal trainer FT.  And hope like hell you get drafted, make a team, and don't get cut.  It goes both ways.

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13 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So they have these moderate to small signing bonuses to essentially just practice and lift weights for 3-4 years in the hopes they grow up big, fast, & strong?

Hmmm sounds a lot like being a player at a top college program. 

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Just now, ztejas said:

Hmmm sounds a lot like being a player at a top college program. 

What you did there.  I seez it.  Wid my eyes!

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6 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

 

I think the PLAYERS should be treated like HORSES and live in STABLES and eat OATS and only allowed out to play FOOTBALL and should be GRATEFUL that the SCHOOLS even give them OATS because they are stupid HORSES. 

but of course that is not happening

the players are getting very good housing and food (for some better than they got growing up), they are getting top training facilities and trainers, top medical care, and coaching and they play in large stajiums and the cost of that for 90%+ of the programs out there is subsidized by non-athlete students, large donors and in some places state funds

people that do not understand the difference between income and expenses and profits should get with big balla brand and start a minor league football program and cut out all the '"waste" of high priced coaches and administration and pass those profits on to the athletes so they can share in the "profits" and live even better than they do now without the burden of school taking away from playing sport

of course you ignore there are no student fees, state funding (in some places), large donors, ticket buyers that give donations of $200 to $20,000+ for prime tickets ect to make any of that remotely feasible......you simply look at the "income" of college sports and then pretend that regular students and in some places state tax payers should subsidize college sports even more because some athletes are not happy with getting an education and place zero value on the massive expenses needed to provide them a platform to actually showcase their talents if they have any

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3 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Remind me again where Jamarquis Durst is projected in the draft?

 

3 hours ago, Texas25 said:

It's called principle, that is where we differ.

This reminds me of the Chris Rock line -- "A man is only as faithful as his opportunities."

(I do agree with you that Oliver shouldn't have been on the field warming up as a receiver.)

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23 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Except you literally fucking are and I just cited a study that proves you wrong on multiple levels. Just stop. Please. I refuse to believe you are this dumb. 

Also -  no one is forcing NFL players to sign something saying "Hey, there's a chance you take a bullet to the chest and bleed out in a 105 degree desert 10,000 miles from home." That's a ridiculous analogy. We haven't drafted kids in 50 years. 

Actually, TBI is progressively more devastating the older the patient. Careful review of the literature will reveal that long-term repeated head trauma is ultimately more devastating when begun sooner, though. The reason that incidence of TBI is bimodal in early life and late teens is due not to increased susceptibility but to increased exposure. The 0-4 hump is largely non-accidental-trauma (NAT), and the late-teen hump is lifestyle-related (football is a big contributor).

[NeverMarryAStripper 21912]

Malik Jefferson, DeShon Elliot, Michael Dickson, all sat out the Texas Bowl, what happens when we get Nick Bosa'd in the midst of a potential CFP run?

I knew Dickson was good, but winning the MVP of a bowl game you sat out is next level shit.

 

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1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Ed Oliver should not play another down of college football because he will be drafted in the first round no matter what and playing for his team is not worth the risk of blowing his knee out and losing millions. 

Major Applewhite should be pissed that he's sitting out and kind of being an asshole about it because it is bad for the team and it makes Major's job harder. 

 

This is just downright irrational.

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Quit?  Because there are NEVER any 5* busts coming out of HS....which GM is going to waste a high draft pick on a HS kid?  You have no idea if the kid is even any good?  Where his head is at?  Lots of kids look good against other HS kids.  Nor is an NFL S&C camp night & day better than college - biggest difference is those guys don't have class restrictions.  

The bust rate on this would be prohibitively high to waste limited picks on.  Physically, maybe RB's or skill players "could" try it.  But they'd more than likely get killed by much more advanced players.  Not just physically either.  Players learn over time in games.  You can't simulate that over practicing YOY and giving them gym time.  And the assumption is they are getting paid something?  So they have these moderate to small signing bonuses to essentially just practice and lift weights for 3-4 years in the hopes they grow up big, fast, & strong?

The only position you simply cannot miss on YOY is QB.  It's by far the most important role.  Name one HS QB ready...physically, but especially mentally, for the speed and complexity of the NFL?  You can't simulate that in practice.  

Why are some of you looking at this at the angle of it being all or nothing, like the kid has to be drafted in the 1st round and has to be some golden boy, wonderlic QB. There are 7 rounds in an NFL draft. Take a Leonard Fournette out of high school with a 3rd or 4th round pick and let him sit a year and learn the game, practice against NFL players, transition to life as an adult.

I think QB is one of the few positions you would never see leave high school straight to the NFL because of the steep learning curve. Receiver, RB, etc... is a little different.

I don't understand why there is an assumption that if the NFL were to lift this rule, that there would be this max exodus, like the entire ESPN top 100 would declare for the draft. That would not happen at all, because those kids know that declaring for the draft doesn't mean any team has to draft them and most teams wouldn't draft them. There are maybe 2-3 kids a singing class (give or take a couple) every year that could even think about doing something like I am describing above and I don't believe those select few guys that could do it should be forced to go to college.

As I mentioned above, Nick Bosa is a whopping one inch taller and 13 lbs heavier today than he was when he graduated high school. Is he really any more ready now than he was coming out of high school? No, and all he did was go to Ohio State and get hurt, and because the NFL forced him to go to college, he was then put in the awkward position of having to choose between protecting his financial future and quitting on his team, or stick it out and risk future injury when this decision could have been made 3 years ago.

This applies to a very, very select few, we are talking .000001% if not less, that would declare out of high school and most NFL teams would not use a 1st round pick on them and I see no problem with that.

Edited November 16, 2018 by Texas25

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You can go to the CFL out of high school and get paid? Why don't these few "elite" players do that?

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Just when you think the posts can't get any dumber, he keeps typing...

Edit- I shouldn't assume gender. Maybe it's a chick. Might actually be now that I think about it 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Dennis Taylor

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6 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

If it wan't Ed Oliver the player would have already been kicked off the team for that..

He didn't see too hurt when he went after Applewhite as well.

And if it wasn't Major Applewhite nobody here would be seeing things from Ed Oliver's POV.   

[Steel Shank 9429]

I had a heated "exchange" with your momma last night.

[jeevsie 3737]

Next year's MNF intros: "Ed Oliver, Westfield High"

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2 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

Next year's MNF intros: "Ed Oliver, Westfield High"

Wrong.  It'd be "Ed Oliver, THE Westfield High"  

[Beau Vine 54300]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

You can go to the CFL out of high school and get paid? Why don't these few "elite" players do that?

Because the SEC pays more than the CFL.

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8 hours ago, South Austin said:

Chris Simms would’ve handled this better.

Chris Simms ruptured spleen would've handled that better.

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8 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

It was poor form by Major. First of all he should have sat down with Oliver sometime before it came to this blowup and said you're either going to play because your knee is healthy enough to play or you're going to sit for the draft. If it's sit for the draft then you won't be traveling with the team and won't be on the sidelines. It's just a slap in face to the teammates that are playing that he's there jumping around on field before games and on sidelines healthy while quitting on them. 

Also, it was late 2nd quarter right before half. He should have just waited until they got in the locker room away from TV cameras then have the confrontation. 

If Opie wants to be able to recruit top guys in the future he needs to learn from this and avoid these kinds of public issues with top players. Unfortunately with the monetary model the way it is players who know they're getting drafted high just aren't going to finish out their last few games anymore going forward. Just have to deal with it better. 

No one would have noticed if Oliver didn’t go all ‘roid rage. Major didn’t make a big scene about the parka. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by ImissWallyPryor

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6 hours ago, RedDirtTexan said:

Can't let the inmates run the asylum. Major is the head coach, and Oliver is a player on scholarship who isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

Major did this in the open so scouts could see, and they did. They may not care, but its out there, and one more point to debate when deciding whether to draft him or not.

Oliver gives up on his college team what's to say he doesn't do the same thing somewhere down the line with his pro team? 

 

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Why are some of you looking at this at the angle of it being all or nothing, like the kid has to be drafted in the 1st round and has to be some golden boy, wonderlic QB. There are 7 rounds in an NFL draft. Take a Leonard Fournette out of high school with a 3rd or 4th round pick and let him sit a year and learn the game, practice against NFL players, transition to life as an adult.
I think QB is one of the few positions you would never see leave high school straight to the NFL because of the steep learning curve. Receiver, RB, etc... is a little different.
I don't understand why there is an assumption that if the NFL were to lift this rule, that there would be this max exodus, like the entire ESPN top 100 would declare for the draft. That would not happen at all, because those kids know that declaring for the draft doesn't mean any team has to draft them and most teams wouldn't draft them. There are maybe 2-3 kids a singing class (give or take a couple) every year that could even think about doing something like I am describing above and I don't believe those select few guys that could do it should be forced to go to college.
As I mentioned above, Nick Bosa is a whopping one inch taller and 13 lbs heavier today than he was when he graduated high school. Is he really any more ready now than he was coming out of high school? No, and all he did was go to Ohio State and get hurt, and because the NFL forced him to go to college, he was then put in the awkward position of having to choose between protecting his financial future and quitting on his team, or stick it out and risk future injury when this decision could have been made 3 years ago.
This applies to a very, very select few, we are talking .000001% if not less, that would declare out of high school and most NFL teams would not use a 1st round pick on them and I see no problem with that.

Why would Fournette want to go this route when he can go to college and be on track to be a high 1st Rd pick? You get to experience being a star on campus and getting benefits under the table anyways. If you are a star player on one of those teams in college, you have it made. And you get to improve your draft stock in the process.

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1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

2 hours ago, Texas25 said:

Why are some of you looking at this at the angle of it being all or nothing, like the kid has to be drafted in the 1st round and has to be some golden boy, wonderlic QB. There are 7 rounds in an NFL draft. Take a Leonard Fournette out of high school with a 3rd or 4th round pick and let him sit a year and learn the game, practice against NFL players, transition to life as an adult.
I think QB is one of the few positions you would never see leave high school straight to the NFL because of the steep learning curve. Receiver, RB, etc... is a little different.
I don't understand why there is an assumption that if the NFL were to lift this rule, that there would be this max exodus, like the entire ESPN top 100 would declare for the draft. That would not happen at all, because those kids know that declaring for the draft doesn't mean any team has to draft them and most teams wouldn't draft them. There are maybe 2-3 kids a singing class (give or take a couple) every year that could even think about doing something like I am describing above and I don't believe those select few guys that could do it should be forced to go to college.
As I mentioned above, Nick Bosa is a whopping one inch taller and 13 lbs heavier today than he was when he graduated high school. Is he really any more ready now than he was coming out of high school? No, and all he did was go to Ohio State and get hurt, and because the NFL forced him to go to college, he was then put in the awkward position of having to choose between protecting his financial future and quitting on his team, or stick it out and risk future injury when this decision could have been made 3 years ago.
This applies to a very, very select few, we are talking .000001% if not less, that would declare out of high school and most NFL teams would not use a 1st round pick on them and I see no problem with that.

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Why would Fournette want to go this route when he can go to college and be on track to be a high 1st Rd pick? You get to experience being a star on campus and getting benefits under the table anyways. If you are a star player on one of those teams in college, you have it made. And you get to improve your draft stock in the process.

Because depending on how long his rookie contract was coming out of high school, lets say it is 3 years (I believe most are 4 year deals). He could already be getting to his 2nd contract, which if he performs at a high level would possibly be more than his rookie 1st round contract he would be getting after going to college for 3 years. There is risk either way.

Evidently they don't have it made at the college level otherwise guys wouldn't be sitting out games. Every kids situation is different, I don't know what Fournette's situation was growing up, but if you have a single parent, busting their ass working two jobs, barely making ends meet. Getting drafted in the 3rd round and getting anywhere between a $760,000-$1,000,000 signing bonus beats a scholarship. If he thinks he is ready and an NFL team says "Think we should take this guy because we believe we'll have him ready to play in a year" as opposed to having to wait 3 more years and draft him out of college, I don't see why not.

Leonard Fournette coming out of high school, 6'1 226 lbs, Leonard Fournette currently (2nd year in the NFL), 6'1 228 lbs... He was a grown man coming out of high school. We are talking about the NFL in 2018, not 1975 when you could rip a QBs helmet off, choke slam him, and the ref would give you a thumbs up.

[Yuk 1548]

I'll never understand why the fans of the most valuable brand in the sport are so much in favor of amateurism in college football.

[Helobious 9464]

Texas25 is the same person that thought Hager was a badass for getting thrown into the turf by that tiny Ok State RB and then running away. Remember that when you argue with him. 

[Vic Mackey 47090]

14 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Because depending on how long his rookie contract was coming out of high school, lets say it is 3 years (I believe most are 4 year deals). He could already be getting to his 2nd contract, which if he performs at a high level would possibly be more than his rookie 1st round contract he would be getting after going to college for 3 years. There is risk either way.

Evidently they don't have it made at the college level otherwise guys wouldn't be sitting out games. Every kids situation is different, I don't know what Fournette's situation was growing up, but if you have a single parent, busting their ass working two jobs, barely making ends meet. Getting drafted in the 3rd round and getting anywhere between a $760,000-$1,000,000 signing bonus beats a scholarship. If he thinks he is ready and an NFL team says "Think we should take this guy because we believe we'll have him ready to play in a year" as opposed to having to wait 3 more years and draft him out of college, I don't see why not.

Leonard Fournette coming out of high school, 6'1 226 lbs, Leonard Fournette currently (2nd year in the NFL), 6'1 228 lbs... He was a grown man coming out of high school. We are talking about the NFL in 2018, not 1975 when you could rip a QBs helmet off, choke slam him, and the ref would give you a thumbs up.

But it isn't about the size. A lot of QBs are full grown NFL size in high school. I went to school with a guy who was a year younger and he went on to play at Colorado St and then in the NFL for the Bears and then a few other teams. He was as big as he was in high school as he ever was in the NFL. But it's the speed of the game and just how talented everyone is. Hell there's a massive leap from college to pro in both aspects. I could not even imagine the difference between high school to the NFL. 

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6 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Because depending on how long his rookie contract was coming out of high school, lets say it is 3 years (I believe most are 4 year deals). He could already be getting to his 2nd contract, which if he performs at a high level would possibly be more than his rookie 1st round contract he would be getting after going to college for 3 years. There is risk either way.

Evidently they don't have it made at the college level otherwise guys wouldn't be sitting out games. Every kids situation is different, I don't know what Fournette's situation was growing up, but if you have a single parent, busting their ass working two jobs, barely making ends meet. Getting drafted in the 3rd round and getting anywhere between a $760,000-$1,000,000 signing bonus beats a scholarship. If he thinks he is ready and an NFL team says "Think we should take this guy because we believe we'll have him ready to play in a year" as opposed to having to wait 3 more years and draft him out of college, I don't see why not.

Leonard Fournette coming out of high school, 6'1 226 lbs, Leonard Fournette currently (2nd year in the NFL), 6'1 228 lbs... He was a grown man coming out of high school. We are talking about the NFL in 2018, not 1975 when you could rip a QBs helmet off, choke slam him, and the ref would give you a thumbs up.

For the 12th fucking time in this thread, nothing, literally nothing, you just posted even factors into the equation. 

The money does not matter. The player does not matter. 18 year olds are not mature enough to play in the NFL. End of discussion. No team in their right fucking mind is wasting a 3rd round draft pick on a teenager who HASN'T PLAYED AT A LEVEL BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL. You are talking about the most hyperathletic, competitive sports league in the world that is already facing hugely controversial issues in regards to not only the health of its players - but the health of every kid in this country growing up playing football.

In what universe is that organization going to start putting teenagers out there on Sundays? 

Shit - even if you ignore the issue of safety - what 18 year old is emotionally or mentally mature enough to be a part of an NFL roster? Anyone that is THAT good can go play 3 years of college ball - get all the $500 handshakes they want - fuck all the 19 year olds they can - win the Heisman - and be worth $5MM at 21.

How is that worse than getting the shit kicked out of yourself in training camp against a bunch of grown ass men playing for their livelihoods? An 18-19 year old at an NFL training camp would get cut before they even figure out what the hell they are doing. The NFL is an absolutely brutal, unforgiving, dangerous business that no teenager is ready for.

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3 minutes ago, Yuk said:

I'll never understand why the fans of the most valuable brand in the sport are so much in favor of amateurism in college football.

I'm not. Find a way to pay the players. Advertisers, universities, coaches, executives, etc all make a killing off these kids. They deserve a piece of that. NCAA football is glorified minor league football for the NFL. 

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4 hours ago, Texas25 said:

This country lets 18 year olds (17 with parental consent) take a bullet for it... To each their own, not going to change many peoples minds on topics like this, nobody has to agree with me. If we are worried about safety hazard and mental health we should just do away with all combat and contact sports. You aren't any more safe running into someone head first over and over again as a 30 year old as you are as a 19 year old. Both are dangerous.

I do however support the limiting of contact sports among-st young children. Don't believe there is any reason for an 8 year old or even 13 year old to be playing tackle football. You can learn how to tackle fairly easily, no reason to start that early.

Stop equating serving one's country, especially with regard to combat duty; with leisure activities and entertainment.

Carry on...

[chase25 2048]

21 minutes ago, ztejas said:

For the 12th fucking time in this thread, nothing, literally nothing, you just posted even factors into the equation. 

The money does not matter. The player does not matter. 18 year olds are not mature enough to play in the NFL. End of discussion. No team in their right fucking mind is wasting a 3rd round draft pick on a teenager who HASN'T PLAYED AT A LEVEL BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL. You are talking about the most hyperathletic, competitive sports league in the world that is already facing hugely controversial issues in regards to not only the health of its players - but the health of every kid in this country growing up playing football.

In what universe is that organization going to start putting teenagers out there on Sundays? 

Shit - even if you ignore the issue of safety - what 18 year old is emotionally or mentally mature enough to be a part of an NFL roster? Anyone that is THAT good can go play 3 years of college ball - get all the $500 handshakes they want - fuck all the 19 year olds they can - win the Heisman - and be worth $5MM at 21.

How is that worse than getting the shit kicked out of yourself in training camp against a bunch of grown ass men playing for their livelihoods? An 18-19 year old at an NFL training camp would get cut before they even figure out what the hell they are doing. The NFL is an absolutely brutal, unforgiving, dangerous business that no teenager is ready for.

Sorry, I forgot I was talking to the almighty ztejas who can see the future.

[Quasimofo 406]

Team Opie

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4 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Sorry, I forgot I was talking to the almighty ztejas who can see the future.

Cute. Now finish bleeding to death on the pile of horse manure you have blessed us with.

Bye.

 

[chase25 2048]

29 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Texas25 is the same person that thought Hager was a badass for getting thrown into the turf by that tiny Ok State RB and then running away. Remember that when you argue with him. 

1. That isn't what happened to Hager, but you seem dead set on speaking (in this case writing) it into existence.

2. When did I say he was a bad ass for what he did, I said I had no problem with him being pissed off as he and the entire team should have been at the end of the game.

3. I think we can all be in agreement that taking sportsmanship advice from a Yankees fan is quite comical.

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7 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

1. That isn't what happened to Hager, but you seem dead set on speaking (in this case writing) it into existence.

2. When did I say he was a bad ass for what he did, I said I had no problem with him being pissed off as he and the entire team should have been at the end of the game.

3. I think we can all be in agreement that taking sportsmanship advice from a Yankees fan is quite comical.

1. That's quite literally exactly what happened to him, you're the only person who thinks otherwise

2. You can be upset and not express it like a little bitch

3. Why? 

In summation you're just stupid as fuck, in this thread and in life in general. 

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1 minute ago, Helobious said:

1. That's quite literally exactly what happened to him, you're the only person who thinks otherwise

2. You can be upset and not express it like a little bitch

3. Why? 

In summation you're just stupid as fuck, in this thread and in life in general. 

If you want to continue a 3 week old slap fight you can PM me, not going to go back and forth over something completely unrelated to the thread.

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7 minutes ago, Helobious said:

1. That's quite literally exactly what happened to him, you're the only person who thinks otherwise

2. You can be upset and not express it like a little bitch

3. Why? 

In summation you're just stupid as fuck, in this thread and in life in general. 

Don't worry I'd bet a kidney he's never been to a Yankees game. You have tremendous fans (at least - the ones that show up and fill the stadium).

I remember the entire park booing ARod for jogging to first base after a ground out. After that I thought... shit... these fellas are alright. 

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Don't worry I'd bet a kidney he's never been to a Yankees game. You have tremendous fans (at least - the ones that show up and fill the stadium).

I remember the entire park booing ARod for jogging to first base after a ground out. After that I thought... shit... these fellas are alright. 

Real standup class acts

 

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4 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Real standup class acts

 

I'd stop laughing if I didn't think that green-haired cuck probably deserved it. 

[Helobious 9464]

4 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Real standup class acts

 

By this logic I guess all Red Sox fans are racist cause of those ones that yelled racial slurs at Adam Jones? And by the way this beer toss incident had a happy ending to it, look it up. 

You also said that sportsmanship doesn't exist... so shouldn't you be applauding what this Yankees fan did? 

[chase25 2048]

6 minutes ago, Helobious said:

By this logic I guess all Red Sox fans are racist cause of those ones that yelled racial slurs at Adam Jones? And by the way this beer toss incident had a happy ending to it, look it up. 

You also said that sportsmanship doesn't exist... so shouldn't you be applauding what this Yankees fan did? 

Oh Red Sox fans are just as bad, the only difference is they have 18 less reasons to be gigantic douche bags. You want to throw beers at each other and then go out for a drink after? Doesn't make it any less of a dick move but props to the guy for trying to correct it.

Fans and players aren't comparable. I don't expect players to shake hands after the shit that is said back and forth throughout the course of a game. Throwing a beer at someone for your team winning a game you didn't compete in has nothing to do with sportsmanship and everything to do with being an ass. But again props to the guy for trying to make it right.

Edited November 17, 2018 by Texas25

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10 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I guess I am just getting too old because I dont see anything wrong with the head coach telling his star player to follow the team rules- the rules DO apply to everyone, even the star player.

I think the message should be delivered Gunny Hartman style. But that's just me.

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10 hours ago, South Austin said:

Chris Simms would’ve handled this better.

That is so great.  Really brings back the old times.

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8 minutes ago, Texas25 said:

Oh Red Sox fans are just as bad, the only difference is they have 18 less reasons to be gigantic douche bags. You want to throw beers at each other and then go out for a drink after? Doesn't make it any less of a dick move but props to the guy for trying to correct it.

Fans and players aren't comparable. I don't expect players to shake hands after the shit that is said back and forth throughout the course of a game. Throwing a beer at someone for your team winning a game you didn't compete in has nothing to do with sportsmanship and everything to do with being an ass. But again props to the guy for trying to make it right.

So because one Yankee fan decided to toss a beer at a green haired fruitcake sitting by himself surrounded by Yankee fans they are all horrible? He knew what he was getting into. Just look at the smile on his face. 

God I can't believe I'm defending the Yankees right now. Fuck the Yankees. That's how much of a dumbass you have been in this thread. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by ztejas