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19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yeah but CUSA was the worst conference in the country this year and the Sun Belt was two steps better. Sounds like Texas State needs a PR upgrade as bad as Texas does.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm (scroll to bottom)

Texas State would be a good fit in the AAC, with SMU-Houston, if it ever becomes an option... Good hire for the Bobcats...

 

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This is exactly the type of guy I was hoping TxSt would hire.  A young coach who will win some games and use the school as a stepping stone to a better job.

They made a mistake with going with two old coaches before, who they thought would stick around and build a program.  Those guys weren't hungry, they were just happy to collect their millies and fuck around with frisbie dan all day.

They haven't had a problem with recruiting.  They usually finish with one of the top classes in the sunbelt every year.  The shouldn't expect to be a powerhouse, but they should be better than gsu, usa and other fuck around schools. 

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6 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

the whole "other Texas teams" is just bullshit fans will show up for wins not losses to "Texas rivals"

north Texas state likes to push that "need to be with other Texas teams" bullshit and they pushed it for a decade while their best teams in decades were alone in the Sunbelt

while some would say "well they are having their best teams evAR now in the CUSA with other Texas teams" you can also look at those other three Texas teams also in CUSA and see they all totally suck cocks so "playing with each other" is not really proving to be a great benefit to any of them and I am of the strong theory (proven by long term history of past and present G5 and P5 conferences) that too many teams in the same state in the same conference eventually drags all those teams down and makes it hard for them to have sustained success

UTEP was much better off in the WAC, TCU powered into the BE then the Big 12 by avoiding SMU and UH like the plague

UTSA had their best years in the WAC before moving to the CUSA

I agree to some degree that Texas State COULD be having better success, but that is not just something that you get because you are a large school in a really beautiful college town with a shit load of hot girls and pretty decent facilities

all of those things help, but when you have other programs starting up and moving up both D1-AA and D1-A and even lower level programs moving up all around you that is a lot of competition for coaches and even more so players

I think long term if Texas State can get to a bowl game or two in a row they will have a much easier time sustaining that level of play in the Sunbelt Vs in CUSA

Valid points.  I get much of it.  

Of course UTEP and UTSA kind of had their hands forced to move thanks the WAC going to crap.  It's barley surviving right now and they are begging schools you never heard of  to come join  to preserve their auto bids for the NCAA tourneys.  

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24 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I  guess it's possible?  I still think they've greatly underperformed on the athletic fields/courts considering all the positives going on with the campus and San Marcos itself.

One mistake on top of others I think they've made is the Sun Belt.  No other Texas teams which means ho hum conference scheduling.   IF they would have joined Conference USA, they  would of had UTSA down the road as a rival, UTEP and UNT.  

 

The reason why Texas State didn't get into CUSA is simple -- they have next to zero media market.  

This is my 20th year here.  When I got here, the football games were broadcast on the campus radio station.  They eventually got them on a radio station in New Braunfels, but you couldn't get that station after dark in San Marcos, so they bailed on that, and went back to the campus radio.  And did nothing else.

When we applied to CUSA, they asked, "What's your media market?"

Our stooges said, "Oh, we're in the middle of Austin and San Antonio, the fastest growing metro area in the country!"

CUSA replied, "OK, which radio stations in those markets broadcast your sporting events?  And please provide copies of all of the articles about your athletic program from the Statesman and the Express-News."

And Trauth and Teis just shit their pants.  

I think the football games are now on 1300 in Austin and a similar station in SA, but that's too little, too late.

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7 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Valid points.  I get much of it.  

Of course UTEP and UTSA kind of had their hands forced to move thanks the WAC going to crap.  It's barley surviving right now and they are begging schools you never heard of  to come join  to preserve their auto bids for the NCAA tourneys.  

UTSA had a MWC invite in hand and told them "hold please CUSA might be on the other line" and when CUSA called they were stupid enough to take the call and hang up o the MWC

UTEP pretty much left the WAC willingly and really could have probably helped either hold it together if they were still there once UTSA and Texas State showed up or they could have taken the San Jose State (or maybe someone else) bid from the MWC when the MWC lost a bunch of members.....but by then UTEP was settled on losing a shit load of games in the CUSA with other bad Texas teams

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4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The reason why Texas State didn't get into CUSA is simple -- they have next to zero media market.  

This is my 20th year here.  When I got here, the football games were broadcast on the campus radio station.  They eventually got them on a radio station in New Braunfels, but you couldn't get that station after dark in San Marcos, so they bailed on that, and went back to the campus radio.  And did nothing else.

When we applied to CUSA, they asked, "What's your media market?"

Our stooges said, "Oh, we're in the middle of Austin and San Antonio, the fastest growing metro area in the country!"

CUSA replied, "OK, which radio stations in those markets broadcast your sporting events?  And please provide copies of all of the articles about your athletic program from the Statesman and the Express-News."

And Trauth and Teis just shit their pants.  

I think the football games are now on 1300 in Austin and a similar station in SA, but that's too little, too late.

Good insight.  Sucks to the bone to be a fan or alum at SWT/ Texas State and see it go like this.  I was at A&I back when we played SWT and I recall some of our games were sell outs at San Marcos and electric.  

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14 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The reason why Texas State didn't get into CUSA is simple -- they have next to zero media market.  

This is my 20th year here.  When I got here, the football games were broadcast on the campus radio station.  They eventually got them on a radio station in New Braunfels, but you couldn't get that station after dark in San Marcos, so they bailed on that, and went back to the campus radio.  And did nothing else.

When we applied to CUSA, they asked, "What's your media market?"

Our stooges said, "Oh, we're in the middle of Austin and San Antonio, the fastest growing metro area in the country!"

CUSA replied, "OK, which radio stations in those markets broadcast your sporting events?  And please provide copies of all of the articles about your athletic program from the Statesman and the Express-News."

And Trauth and Teis just shit their pants.  

I think the football games are now on 1300 in Austin and a similar station in SA, but that's too little, too late.

20 years?

are you ever going to graduate and how do you have any brain cells left....how many miles are on your car from driving back and forth to Austin

I would think if the drinking and pot smoking did not get you the syph would at some point.....but I bet you have 20 years of bad ass stories!

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1 hour ago, Machinator said:

Could be a soft landing for Spav.

Thoughts, @Whitman?

Dana had turned play calling over to Spav this year, and it didn't really go too well.  Spav wasn't really thought of very well with most of us here.  I'm not sure Spavital is ready yet to be a head coach.  Not saying never, but not right now.  Also, if Kliff doesn't get or want one of the high profile jobs everyone is mentioning,  he and Dana are very tight and he would be welcomed here with open arms and a big smile.    

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5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

The reason why Texas State didn't get into CUSA is simple -- they have next to zero media market.  

This is my 20th year here.  When I got here, the football games were broadcast on the campus radio station.  They eventually got them on a radio station in New Braunfels, but you couldn't get that station after dark in San Marcos, so they bailed on that, and went back to the campus radio.  And did nothing else.

When we applied to CUSA, they asked, "What's your media market?"

Our stooges said, "Oh, we're in the middle of Austin and San Antonio, the fastest growing metro area in the country!"

CUSA replied, "OK, which radio stations in those markets broadcast your sporting events?  And please provide copies of all of the articles about your athletic program from the Statesman and the Express-News."

And Trauth and Teis just shit their pants.  

I think the football games are now on 1300 in Austin and a similar station in SA, but that's too little, too late.

They should have been broadcasting on micro KIND radio. ;) 

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5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

The reason why Texas State didn't get into CUSA is simple -- they have next to zero media market.  

This is my 20th year here.  When I got here, the football games were broadcast on the campus radio station.  They eventually got them on a radio station in New Braunfels, but you couldn't get that station after dark in San Marcos, so they bailed on that, and went back to the campus radio.  And did nothing else.

 When we applied to CUSA, they asked, "What's your media market?"

Our stooges said, "Oh, we're in the middle of Austin and San Antonio, the fastest growing metro area in the country!"

CUSA replied, "OK, which radio stations in those markets broadcast your sporting events?  And please provide copies of all of the articles about your athletic program from the Statesman and the Express-News."

 And Trauth and Teis just shit their pants.  

I think the football games are now on 1300 in Austin and a similar station in SA, but that's too little, too late.

Your AD sounds like a fucking moron (on top of all the other reasons he's a moron that have been shown in this thread). How on earth did he and the president not predict that media reach would come up? And how was he comfortable with football games on campus radio?

Then again if he's nickel-and-diming the football Gatorade budget, what does one expect I suppose...

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5 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Your AD sounds like a fucking moron (on top of all the other reasons he's a moron that have been shown in this thread). How on earth did he and the president not predict that media reach would come up? And how was he comfortable with football games on campus radio?

 

The remarkable thing is that he was previously the Associate AD in charge of marketing.  

He literally seems to know zero about marketing.  He won't get social media accounts because "I have a family, and people could read my posts and tell that I'm out of town, which puts my family in danger."  

I wish I were making that up.

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The remarkable thing is that he was previously the Associate AD in charge of marketing.  

He literally seems to know zero about marketing.  He won't get social media accounts because "I have a family, and people could read my posts and tell that I'm out of town, which puts my family in danger."  

I wish I were making that up.

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2 hours ago, relapse98 said:

Good lord, if Texas State loses Spav after like a month and basically have to start over from scratch, Larry Teis might want to have someone else start his car each morning - they gonna lose their mind.

Would be the most Texas State-y thing to ever happen to my Bobcats. 

If he takes the job, what happens to all the coaches he hired for his staff? Some of 'em probably aren't done unpacking their shit into their new apartments in San Marcos.

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53 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

Would be the most Texas State-y thing to ever happen to my Bobcats. 

If he takes the job, what happens to all the coaches he hired for his staff? Some of 'em probably aren't done unpacking their shit into their new apartments in San Marcos.

Good news, Spav tweeted this 21 minutes ago:

 

I gotta assume that means he isn't currently leaving.

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Bill C's 2019 preview of Texas State: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/3/19/18257399/texas-state-football-2019-preview-schedule-roster

He lays out some of the really shitty things the administration has done; I had no idea things were so dysfunctional:

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With the details that emerged following Withers’ dismissal, however, it began to seem like TXST was doing Withers a favor by letting him leave town.

Here are a few of the more notable reports [reporter Keff] Ciardello has tweeted recently.

* Texas State promised to cover Everett Withers’ buyout from his previous employer. They reneged on that promise, forcing Withers to pay a quarter of a million dollars out of pocket. [...]

* Several Texas State student athletes have been rampantly misdiagnosed and mistreated by an athletics training staff that is reportedly woefully inept.

* Texas State’s football coaches were forced to pay out of pocket for deli trays to feed their own players after the nutrition budget was cut with no prior notification. [...]

* The Bobcats’ recruiting budget was suddenly stonewalled with no communication, causing the coaches to directly solicit donors for emergency funds. [...]

* Texas State’s compliance team erroneously told the coaching staff that they could not blueshirt incoming recruits.

* Lastly, when Larry Teis broke the news of Withers’ firing to the players, the team verbally accosted him to the point where Teis was forced to be escorted out of the room to avoid an altercation. If message board posts are to be believed, supposedly Teis could not name a single player in the room when players started challenging him.

 

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TxState Should Fire Larry Teis..... 

Spav needs to win over the alumni, and hopefully get Teis fired .....

http://forgotten5.com/2018/12/04/dr-larry-teis-and-his-san-marcos-legacy/

 

It’s July 23, 2018. A visibly excited Everett Withers stands before a group of reporters in New Orleans during Sun Belt Media Day and talks about the growth of his football program.

Nearly four months later, before the season is even over, Withers is out of a job.

This story isn’t about Withers, though we will get back to him. It’s about the man who runs the whole show, Athletic Director Larry Teis.

The Texas State faithful have long been in a perpetual state of frustration over those currently in charge of the athletic department.

The reclusive Teis has made his mark on San Marcos by being deflective, silent, tone-deaf and downright lazy.

Teis has been in this role for 15 years now. He’s hung his hat on compliance, academics, facility upgrades and women’s athletics. The women’s teams are so successful in fact, that they’ve carried Texas State to four consecutive top two finishes in the Sun Belt’s Vic Bubas Cup. With a lot still to happen, Texas State is on pace to do that again this year.

That’s about as good as it gets for Dr. Teis.

As 2013 grad John Beck put it, “Our women’s athletics are allowing our inept athletic director to take credit for something he doesn’t deserve credit for.”

For someone who uses the success of the women’s teams as a crutch, you would think Teis would promote those teams to the Bobcat fanbase fervently.

Not only do they receive minimum marketing but the decision made between Teis and President Denise Trauth to fire Withers came on the same day as the volleyball team winning the 2018 Sun Belt Conference tournament.

This is only a recent example of Teis’ ineptitude. Some fans have been skeptical of the AD for over a decade. When Teis first arrived in 2004, he set a three year timetable for a new baseball/softball complex.

Texas State is still playing in Bobcat Ballpark 15 years later. Instead, cosmetic upgrades came four years after Teis’ promise. In 2008, bullpens and a new video board were put in. Then came a full renovation in 2009, one that included a new ticket office, press box and, most importantly, a brand new brick wall.

It’s for this reason that 2003 Texas State grad Flint Crawford began questioning whether Teis is the man for the job. This eventually led to Crawford pulling his annual donations to the athletic department four years ago, citing problems he has with Teis.

“My issue with Teis is his absolute avoidance in interaction with fans or donors unless they are at a certain level,” said Crawford.

Crawford recalled an instance in 2014 in the president’s suite box where all donors were invited. Teis and Trauth were in attendance, but Teis appeared to avoid any interaction with anyone who was not a part of the University.

Beck also withdrew his donations to Texas State, even sending an email to the athletic department detailing why. He received a short response:

“You’re wrong about Teis.”

Beck and Crawford are not alone, though, in pulling their financial support. Many pulled their donations when Withers was initially hired, including Texas State’s biggest donor Dr. Jerry Fields, according to an unnamed source.

While 2014 saw a major hit to donations, the 2018 football season saw another. The #FireTeis movement became synonymous with Texas State football this season, especially after a #FireTeis banner was flown during the homecoming game in late October. In lieu of this brazen display of contempt, a number of people pulled their support for the athletic department, according to a University Star article.

The movement is heavily twitter-centric, where Texas State fans have voiced their displeasure for some time now. Unfortunately for them, they can’t even get their voice heard by the athletic director because he does not have a twitter account.

Yes, in 2018 we have an FBS athletic director who does not have an account on one of the world’s largest public forums.

While twitter is an easy way to engage with Bobcat fans and keep on ear on the ground, Teis seems largely uninterested in the opinions of students and alumni.

“(The athletic department) does not promote or engage with the students or the locals at an FBS level,” one area media member said. “They are definitely lacking in the marketing department.”

Marketing has been a hot topic around town, as many fans don’t believe the department promotes the teams enough.

“Get the brand out there,” Beck said. “Why not put billboards up in your biggest alumni contingencies outside of San Marcos, like Houston or Dallas-Fort Worth?”

Beck also added that on-campus promotions “are a joke.”

The budget doesn’t appear to be the problem, either, but that’s for another story.

As athletic director, Teis should be in charge of all things in and around athletics. Most AD’s get to know the student-athletes, but apparently relationships don’t quite fit on Teis’ schedule.

According to University Star reporter Andrew Zimmel, former Texas State linebacker Easy Anyama met the Texas athletic director twice in his one year at Texas as a track and field athlete. In his next three years in San Marcos, he never met Teis.

Former tennis player Pippa Carr says she never saw him at a tennis match in her four years at the school. She mentioned he showed up for a match just after she graduated, “but he stayed for not even five minutes.”

The problems appear to permeate throughout the department, too. Many have had problems with the sports information directors.

“Nothing gets passed sports information director Rick Paulter,” former KTSW reporter Eddie Lerma said. “Every time a reporter would ask for a specific player for a story, he would reject the request.”

Lerma recalled an incident where he received permission from an SID to cover the women’s golf team, who had just won a Sun Belt title. When he arrived at the selection show, he was spotted by Teis who quickly questioned his presence.

“I told him I was reporting for the school and he asked me to leave and said I didn’t need to be there,” Lerma said.

Zimmel, who also spent time at KTSW, says that “media relations are terrible” and that SID’s “don’t do a good job marketing their players.”

For one anonymous person who receives a paycheck from Texas State athletics, the sentiments toward the SID is similar.

“Our SID is worthless,” he said. “A bump on the log.”

The employee confirmed that Texas State receives such little coverage out of Austin because the SID’s make it too difficult.

As for his opinion on the man himself, he’s not exactly a front row fan.

“Teis doesn’t give a shit, clearly,” he said. “I don’t know if anybody in the athletic department thinks that Teis knows how to do his job.”

This would support one claim from a former staffer that Teis would often head into meetings unprepared, leaving his assistants to clean up the mess.

We’ve merely scratched the surface of the stories about Teis and even Trauth. Some have been uncovered recently by Austin Statesman reporter Keff Ciardello, who reported them in a series of tweets.

Unfortunately for Texas State fans, Trauth has recently doubled down on Teis. Her statements have shown Bobcat fans the level of ignorance the athletic department is emanating.

The movement to out Teis is ever-growing. There’s even a website up, firelarryteis.com, that gives fans an opportunity to sign a vote of no confidence in Teis. So far, 352 people have signed it, with the majority choosing Overall Performance over Football as the reason why.

Regardless, The timing of Withers’ firing isn’t coincidental. Coming at the peak of the #FireTeis movement, it’s blatantly obvious that Trauth and Teis believe the football team is the epicenter of the fans’ issues with the department.

Fans and media saw straight through the move, though, only further building an ever-increasing flame.

“(Withers) was clearly a scapegoat,” Zimmel said. “I think this was an attempt to get us off of (Teis’) ass for a minute, but he ended up throwing fuel on it.”

As mentioned, Trauth is unwavering in her support for Teis. She recently stated that Teis “Is our athletic director going forward.”

She cited the new football coaching hire, the volleyball team and Texas State men’s basketball’s record following the first seven games of the season as the reasons why Teis is the man for the job.

Either she truly doesn’t know and is failing at monitoring the happiness of donors and former donors or she’s flat-out ignoring students and alumni.

Whichever it may be, those in San Marcos appear to be stuck for the foreseeable future.

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