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I dedicate this thread to everyone who has ever negged me when I say Democrats are more authoritarian then Trump will ever be.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nycs-de-blasio-would-love-to-see-city-control-rents-and-housing-development

 

Mayor Bill de Blasio cited his "socialistic impulse" in describing an ideal world where New York City government has control over all land and buildings in his city.

“I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be,” de Blasio said in a wide-ranging interview with New York Magazine. “I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs.”

Asked about housing inequality, the progressive Democrat de Blasio bemoaned the soaring rent and home prices in one of the world’s most expensive cities and said that ideally the city government would be able to implement tough laws around income levels and rents.

“Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed," he said. "And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents.”

Later in the interview, de Blasio admitted that this type of governmental control is not possible right now – saying it causes “friction” and “anger” – but said that there are many people in New York City who would like to have a government that better addresses their daily needs.

“That’s a world I’d love to see, and I think what we have, in this city at least, are people who would love to have the New Deal back, on one level,” he said. “They’d love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.”

The average monthly rental payment for a two bedroom apartment in New York City is $2,524, more than double the national average of $1180, according to Census statistics compiled by Apartment List. deBlasio said those prices keep "everyday" people away.

“I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, ‘Units start at $2 million’” de Blasio in reference to a street in Lower Manhattan. “And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people.”

 

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Year One Under Authoritarian Rule:  What to Expect?

  1. They will come to power with a campaign based on fear, scaremongering and distorting the truth. Nevertheless, their victory will be achieved through a democratic electoral process. But beware, as this will be their argument every time you question the legitimacy of their actions. They will claim a mandate from the People to change the system.

    Remember – gaining power through a democratic system does not give them permission to cross legal boundaries and undermine said democracy.

  2. They will divide and rule. Their strength lies in unity, in one voice and one ideology, and so should yours. They will call their supporters Patriots, the only “true Americans”. You will be labelled as traitors, enemies of the state, unpatriotic, the corrupt elite, the old regime trying to regain power. Their supporters will be the “People”, the “sovereign” who chose their leaders.

    Don’t let them divide you – remember you’re one People, one Nation, with one common good.

  3. Through convoluted laws and threats they will try to control mainstream media and limit press freedom. They will ban critical press from their briefings, calling them “liars”, “fake news”. They will brand those media as “unpatriotic”, acting against the People (see point 2).

    Fight for every media outlet, every journalist that is being banned, censored, sacked or labelled an “enemy of the state” – there’s no hope for freedom where there is no free press.

  4. They will create chaos, maintain a constant sense of conflict and danger. It will be their argument to enact new authoritarian laws, each one further limiting your freedoms and civil liberties. They will disguise them as being for your protection, for the good of the People.

    See through the chaos, the fake danger, expose it before you wake up in a totalitarian, fascist state.

  5. They will distort the truth, deny facts and blatantly lie. They will try to make you forget what facts are, sedate your need to find the truth. They will feed “post-truths” and “alternative facts”, replace knowledge and logic with emotions and fiction.

    Always think critically, fact-check and point out the truth, fight ignorance with facts.

  6. They will incite and then leak fake, superficial “scandals”. They will smear opposition with trivial accusations, blowing them out of proportion and then feeding the flame. This is just smokescreen for the legal steps they will be taking towards totalitarianism.

    See through superficial topics in mainstream media (see point 3) and focus on what they are actually doing.

  7. They will propose shocking laws to provoke your outrage. You will focus your efforts on fighting them, so they will seemingly back off, giving you a false sense of victory. In the meantime they will push through less “flashy” legislation, slowly dismantling democracy (see points 4 and 6).

    Focus your fight on what really matters.

  8. When invading your liberal sensibilities they will focus on what hurts the most – women and minorities. They will act as if democracy was majority rule without respect for the minority. They will paint foreigners and immigrants as potential threats. Racial, religious, sexual and other minorities will become enemies to the order and security they are supposedly providing. They will challenge women’s social status, undermine gender equality and interfere with reproductive rights (see point 7). But it means they are aware of the threat women and minorities pose to their rule, so make it your strength.

    Women and minorities should fight the hardest, reminding the majority what true democracy is about.

  9. They will try to take control of the judiciary. They will assault your highest court. They need to remove the checks and balances to be able to push through unconstitutional legislation. Controlling the judiciary they can also threat anyone that defies them with prosecution, including the press (see point 3).

    Preserve the independence of your courts at all cost, they are your safety valve, the safeguard of the rule of law and the democratic system.

  10. They will try to limit freedom of assembly, calling it a necessity for your security. They will enact laws prioritizing state events and rallies, or those of a certain type or ideology. If they can choose who can demonstrate legally, they have a legal basis to forcefully disperse or prosecute the rest.

    Oppose any legislation attempting to interfere with freedom of assembly, for whatever reason.

  11. They will distort the language, coin new terms and labels, repeat shocking phrases until you accept them as normal and subconsciously associate them with whom they like. A “thief”, “liar” or “traitor” will automatically mean the opposition, while a “patriot” or a “true American” will mean their follower (see point 2). Their slogans will have double meaning, giving strength to their supporters and instilling angst in their opponents.

    Fight changes in language in the public sphere, remind and preserve the true meaning of words.

  12. They will take over your national symbols, associate them with their regime, remake them into attributes of their power. They want you to forget that your flag, your anthem and your symbols belong to you, the People, to everyone equally. Don’t let them be hijacked. Use and expose them in your fight as much as they do.

    Show your national symbols with pride, let them give you strength, not associate you with the tyranny they brought onto your country.

  13. They will try to rewrite history to suit their needs and use the education system to support their agenda. They will smear any historical or living figure who wouldn’t approve of their actions, or distort their image to make you think they would. They will place emphasis on historical education in schools, feeding young minds with the “only correct” version of history and philosophy. They will raise a new generation of voters on their ideology, backing it with a distorted interpretation of history and view of the world.

    Guard the education of your children, teach them critical thinking, ensure their open-mindedness and protect your real history and heritage.

  14. They will alienate foreign allies and partners, convincing you don’t need them. They won’t care for the rest of the world, with their focus on “making your country great again”. While ruining your economy to fulfil their populist promises, they will omit the fact that you’re part of a bigger world whose development depends on cooperation, on sharing and on trade.

    Don’t let them build walls promising you security instead of bridges giving you prosperity.

  15. They will eventually manipulate the electoral system. They might say it’s to correct flaws, to make it more fair, more similar to the rest of the world, or just to make it better. Don’t believe it. They wouldn’t be messing with it at all if it wasn’t to benefit them in some way.

    Oppose any changes to electoral law that an authoritarian regime wants to enact – rest assured it’s only to help them remain in power longer.

 

And above all, be strong, fight, endure, and remember you’re on the good side of history.
EVERY authoritarian, totalitarian and fascist regime in history eventually failed, thanks to the PEOPLE.


– With love, your Eastern European friends

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17 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

The average monthly rental payment for a two bedroom apartment in New York City is $2,524, more than double the national average of $1180, according to Census statistics compiled by Apartment List. deBlasio said those prices keep "everyday" people away.

“I was down one day on Varick Street, somewhere close to Canal, and there was a big sign out front of a new condo saying, ‘Units start at $2 million’” de Blasio in reference to a street in Lower Manhattan. “And that just drives people stark raving mad in this city, because that kind of development is clearly not for everyday people.”

Austin is headed for this.

SF is already more than this.

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A place like Texas wants to pay everybody temp wages (10 bucks an hour), the GOP wants to keep minimum wage at 8 or abolish it, and developers like Trump want to import slave labor while demonizing them as "voters" and rapists / murderers ...plus absolutely NO HEALTH CARE cuz fuck u I got mine and Obamacare is the socializizm Armageddons;!. Go to school and learn Jesus ride the dinosaur for a million dollars in debt then die from cancer after u reach 40 because corporate America only wants pretty millennials on Instagram scooters 

= A homeless middleclass corporate slave world dystopian brave New world global warming Logan's run shit hole moonscape planet where UT grads LIKE YOU become Chuds.

Dumbass Americans are about to be enslaved. 

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30 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

I dedicate this thread to everyone who has ever negged me when I say Democrats are more authoritarian then Trump will ever be.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nycs-de-blasio-would-love-to-see-city-control-rents-and-housing-development

 

 

 

You wonder why everyone moves the hell out of NYC in droves?  It's only going to get worse.  

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3 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

You wonder why everyone moves the hell out of NYC in droves?  It's only going to get worse.  

Why does everyone move out of NYC in droves? Because the mayor makes comments like this? Or because its unaffordable?

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3 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

You wonder why everyone moves the hell out of NYC in droves?  It's only going to get worse.  

You should probably look up population trends before posting. If people moved out in droves, it would be affordable. Instead, its still growing and has no greenfield to build in. 

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6 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

You should probably look up population trends before posting. If people moved out in droves, it would be affordable. Instead, its still growing and has no greenfield to build in. 

EVERYONE is moving out of (Cali/NYC/Chicago). The Republitard’s favorite falsehood. 

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2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Why does everyone move out of NYC in droves? Because the mayor makes comments like this? Or because its unaffordable?

NYC is not affordable....and that's due to the city government's knack for centrally planning and taxing the shit out of everything. Businesses are over-regulated as well. De-Blasio is just confirming that he is a proponent of more of the same.  

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

NYC is not affordable....and that's due to the city government's knack for centrally planning and taxing the shit out of everything. Businesses are over-regulated as well. De-Blasio is just confirming that he is a proponent of more of the same.  

 

 

 

 

 

Or....you know....supply and demand....

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5 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

NYC is not affordable....and that's due to the city government's knack for centrally planning and taxing the shit out of everything. Businesses are over-regulated as well. De-Blasio is just confirming that he is a proponent of more of the same.  

 

 

 

 

 

So if there were no taxes, I could buy a 2 bedroom condo in Manhattan for 200k?  How does this no tax regime prevent bidders wars?

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10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

You should probably look up population trends before posting. If people moved out in droves, it would be affordable. Instead, its still growing and has no greenfield to build in. 

I think the evidence is out there that many taxpayers have left NYC for more lenient tax states such as Florida and the Carolinas.

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Just now, American Swindle said:

How about both? 

How about quantifying your proposition?

And how about the logical conclusion that the more dense an area is, the more regulation is often required and desirable.  We don't need as many regs when neighbors are separated by 1/4 mile in the country.  We need more regs when there are 1,000 people living in a 4 acre footprint.

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Just now, American Swindle said:

Nope

So I'd still have to pay 2 million for a studio in a no tax regime, but taxes are why housing isn't affordable?

And the middle class is being pushed out by the upper class who pay even more taxes. How does this reduce the amount of taxes collected?

Whats happening to housing prices in central Austin, Houston, and Dallas, btw?

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19 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

NYC is not affordable....and that's due to the city government's knack for centrally planning and taxing the shit out of everything. Businesses are over-regulated as well. De-Blasio is just confirming that he is a proponent of more of the same.  

 

As a counter argument or as a test of the hypothesis, where are these paradise mega cities with laissez-faire city governments that keep costs affordable?

 

 

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31 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

NYC is not affordable....and that's due to the city government's knack for centrally planning and taxing the shit out of everything. Businesses are over-regulated as well. De-Blasio is just confirming that he is a proponent of more of the same.  

That's not why NYC is not affordable. 

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10 minutes ago, TornACL said:

As a counter argument or as a test of the hypothesis, where are these paradise mega cities with laissez-faire city governments that keep costs affordable?

 

 

Well, Mogadishu is pretty big, low tax, and cheap by our standards. Its expensive for Somalians though, and crime ridden. 

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He said socialism. Scary.

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

“I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs.”

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Later in the interview, de Blasio admitted that this type of governmental control is not possible right now – saying it causes “friction” and “anger” – but said that there are many people in New York City who would like to have a government that better addresses their daily needs.

 

Sounds pretty wild-eyed to me, comrade. 

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1 hour ago, American Swindle said:

You wonder why everyone moves the hell out of NYC in droves?  It's only going to get worse.  

LOL, who's moving out of NYC 'in droves'?  If NYC sucked so bad people wouldn't be tripping all over themselves to buy places at $1000 sq foot.  If people were moving out in droves real estate would get cheaper.  You know how supply and demand works right?  No?  Read a fucking book.  

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9 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL, who's moving out of NYC 'in droves'?  If NYC sucked so bad people wouldn't be tripping all over themselves to buy places at $1000 sq foot.  If people were moving out in droves real estate would get cheaper.  You know how supply and demand works right?  No?  Read a fucking book.  

It’s a wasteland out there. 

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5 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Also from the article I quoted above-- step into a time machine and see what your favorite NYC neighborhood cost to live in in the 1940s.

http://www.1940snewyork.com/

Manhattan was cheap south of the park. The suburban part of queens was the most expensive part of NYC after the UES and UWS. Different world completely now. 

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Just now, FondrenRoad said:

Manhattan was cheap south of the park. The suburban part of queens was the most expensive part of NYC after the UES and UWS. Different world completely now. 

I remember walking on the west side of Manhattan south of the park in the early 80s, it had some pretty grim stretches back then.

NYC real estate is better than gold-- they find more gold every day. US population is much bigger, plus you've got a whole planet's worth of gazillionaires wanting their pied-a-terre, people from India, China, Russia, where there just weren't people with that kind of spare cash/freedom to use it way back when.

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