De Blasio-ideal world government would have control over all land and buildings in NYC

[FondrenRoad 4378]

5 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I remember walking on the west side of Manhattan south of the park in the early 80s, it had some pretty grim stretches back then.

NYC real estate is better than gold-- they find more gold every day. US population is much bigger, plus you've got a whole planet's worth of gazillionaires wanting their pied-a-terre, people from India, China, Russia, where there just weren't people with that kind of spare cash/freedom to use it way back when.

There is that in Manhattan.  And I think that will take a hit once Trump Org gets fully investigated.  

The big difference overall is drastically reduced crime and millenials/gen x putting a premium on urban living over suburban. The white picket fence, 2 car garage isn't the dream anymore. Walkability is.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

EVERYONE is moving out of (Cali/NYC/Chicago). The Republitard’s favorite falsehood. 

Goes right along with “if you don’t like it move to some other country”.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The UAW destroyed Detroit

And the automaker execs and shareholders let it. 

[El Diablo 4232]

1 hour ago, Continental Op said:

Well that does it.  I'm totally not voting for de Blasio now. 

I've decided not to leave Texas for New York City! 

[ChickenSandwich 9855]

4 hours ago, Agent47 said:

So pile your guns up high because rent control is fascism!

This country is heading towards a nation full of homeless middleclassers. That's his point. 

 

And the largest areas are democratic strongholds. They also have the worst public education, highest levels of poverty, highest income descrepancy and least affordable housing. 

[David Dennison 18951]

5 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

And the largest areas are democratic strongholds. They also have the worst public education, highest levels of poverty, highest income descrepancy and least affordable housing. 

Many of them in red states.

[Agent47 157]

The Democratic Strongholds have the most of everything. Cuz = cities.

[Agent47 157]

Massachusetts > Mississippi

New York > North Dakota

Edited November 20, 2018 by Agent47

[TornACL 7728]

You have to admire the OP for misunderstanding basic economic principles, along with socialism, and authoritarianism all in one post. 

Here's the thing about those two words. Anyone is free to use them as they see fit, even as a pejorative. But if you don't even understand the words you're using, no one is going to take you seriously. 

Also, a lot of imbeciles don't understand the difference between correlation and causation. 

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

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[RDCanecutter 26476]

3 hours ago, TheRealRonWeaver? said:

Is THIS the thread where we post our scat pics?


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Scat Pic Gallery closed up in 2011. There's another Starbucks there now.

[Hornius Emeritus 12491]

16 hours ago, Agent47 said:

By Netflix.

 

Hi, Purg!

[Agent47 157]

Buy Netflix.

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[ndawg 1242]

I really love the preposterous notion that world class cities like NYC are expensive because they're filled with socialists voting against their own interests. Seldom do we see such an impressive combination of cognitive dissonance and projection.

See, it's hilarious enough seeing idiot Trumpkins in rural America guessing at what life is like in wealthier spots like NYC, Scandanavia, etc., and then assuming that the quality of life there must be poor -- because, of course, they're more "socialist" in those places, and obviously every meat-eating, red-blooded American knows that socialism can't work, right? But when you add in the fact that the Trumpkins are actually the ones voting against their own interests, it puts it over the top.

Please, keep going y'all, this is great.

[Foosters 17889]

1 minute ago, ndawg said:

I really love the preposterous notion that world class cities like NYC are expensive because they're filled with socialists voting against their own interests. Seldom do we see such an impressive combination of cognitive dissonance and projection.

See, it's hilarious enough seeing idiot Trumpkins in rural America guessing at what life is like in wealthier spots like NYC, Scandanavia, etc., and then assuming that the quality of life there must be poor -- because, of course, they're more "socialist" in those places, and obviously every meat-eating, red-blooded American knows that socialism can't work, right? But when you add in the fact that the Trumpkins are actually the ones voting against their own interests, it puts it over the top.

Please, keep going y'all, this is great.

Similar to the tactics about illegals and MS-13. Some grandma in rural Kansas is terrified that MS-13 is gonna invade her town, break into her house, and kill everyone. Meanwhile, I work in East Los Angeles, and if you didn't tell me, I wouldn't even know they're a thing.

[Js1 85607]

5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Similar to the tactics about illegals and MS-13. Some grandma in rural Kansas is terrified that MS-13 is gonna invade her town, break into her house, and kill everyone. Meanwhile, I work in East Los Angeles, and if you didn't tell me, I wouldn't even know they're a thing.

Reminds me of TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER! Its not a bad thing.  Sorry Bumfuck, Kansas, population 1200 doesn't have a single one.  It's not scary!  It also doesn't mean we've been invaded by dirty smelly brown people.

[American Swindle 102]

21 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

How about quantifying your proposition?

And how about the logical conclusion that the more dense an area is, the more regulation is often required and desirable.  We don't need as many regs when neighbors are separated by 1/4 mile in the country.  We need more regs when there are 1,000 people living in a 4 acre footprint.

I suppose I should have clarified that many taxpayers leave NYC in droves and move to other tax lenient states.  This may not affect the total population numbers as many move there and you know, people have offspring and what not. 

 

And you're right, it's simple scarcity and market supply and demand as to why it's so expensive to rent in NYC.  Maybe some regs are needed, but their are many cockamamie regs  that really cripple small business owners.  I'm sure it would not be hard to find regulations or protectionist policies implemented by the state that affect NY Farmers, those trying to make money walking dogs, uber drivers etc.  

 

[Brisketexan 105446]

2 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

I suppose I should have clarified that many taxpayers leave NYC in droves and move to other tax lenient states.  This may not affect the total population numbers as many move there and you know, people have offspring and what not. 

 

And you're right, it's simple scarcity and market supply and demand as to why it's so expensive to rent in NYC.  Maybe some regs are needed, but their are many cockamamie regs  that really cripple small business owners.  I'm sure it would not be hard to find regulations or protectionist policies implemented by the state that affect NY Farmers, those trying to make money walking dogs, uber drivers etc.  

 

You said that regs were why housing costs were high in NYC.  NOW you're saying that "well, I'm sure we could find SOME regs that are bad for business."  Well, no shit, sherlock.  I'd be hard-pressed to find ANY regulatory body that doesn't have SOME regs that aren't the best.  These are human systems.  Bad regs happen.  If someone things a reg is bad, they should address that specific reg and work to have it modified or repealed (it happens every day).

But you've left your thesis statement, and now claim the high ground of making a statement so vague and broad as to be meaningless.  You're really impressing the crowd.

[Agent47 157]

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

A place like Texas pays high school educated roughnecks $95,000 a year for oilfield labor.  You have to live in a crappy place and do work that can be dangerous, but you can get paid handsomely for unskilled labor.   

The “why won’t you country bumpkins move out of your dying small town and go where the jobs are” line is true in a lot of cases, but that line cuts both ways.  You could just as easily tell the aspiring baristas and menial wage workers in NYC and San Francisco to move to West Texas or North Dakota if they want to make money and have a cheap apartment.  Otherwise, well those are the breaks if you can’t afford Manhattan.

I know it’s not easy to pick up and move, but this country has a history of people moving to where the jobs are.  Towns came and went, and new ones sprung up.  Now more and more people seem to think it’s the government’s job to make Detroit/Cleveland/Random Small Town into what they wished it was so they can stay home, or make NYC and California cheap enough for them to afford even though millions of other people want the same spot and are willing to pay more for it.  It’s impossible, and indulging those fantasies with government central planning economic policies just leads to ruin.

Nebraska. 

[American Swindle 102]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You said that regs were why housing costs were high in NYC.  NOW you're saying that "well, I'm sure we could find SOME regs that are bad for business."  Well, no shit, sherlock.  I'd be hard-pressed to find ANY regulatory body that doesn't have SOME regs that aren't the best.  These are human systems.  Bad regs happen.  If someone things a reg is bad, they should address that specific reg and work to have it modified or repealed (it happens every day).

But you've left your thesis statement, and now claim the high ground of making a statement so vague and broad as to be meaningless.  You're really impressing the crowd.

I said "how about both" as in,scarcity and high demand in the real estate market COUPLED with the government's burdensome regulations and taxation are why it's not affordable and many taxpayers leave. 

I clarified, and conceded that you were right on the real estate point.  One can't concede a point and admit wrongdoing around here without being condescended upon or what?  

Do your farts smell like Brisket to you?

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

Agreed.  There’s more demand for urban living in places like NYC now, and supply isn’t going to increase.  Ergo, higher prices. And lol at Mayor Bill saying there’s too much friction at the moment for him to have his druthers about city government choosing where everyone lives.  Oh, you mean the people who just paid $10,000,000 for an apartment don’t want you to decide who gets to own which property?  No shit.

The Trump era GOP and Bernie Bro Democrat response is causing modern American politics to basically just boil down to people bitching like teenagers that things aren’t the way they hoped in their wildest dreams, with complete disregard for any critical thinking, nuance, or any broader concerns than “Me! Me! Me!”.

Well, things are gonna be rationed in some way. Total market rationing means only the wealthy will live there. Income agnostic lottery is an interesting concept, I guess, but requires residence first.  Affordable housing reduces the number of market rate units and puts more upward pressure on rents, but does reserve spots for working class people. One of the newer things is middle income affordable carve outs. Most of the new luxury towers in Brooklyn and Queens are structured this way. Some units set aside for low income, some for middle income, and the rest market rate. The middle income rents are still laughably high though. 

[Brisketexan 105446]

5 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

I said "how about both" as in,scarcity and high demand in the real estate market COUPLED with the government's burdensome regulations and taxation are why it's not affordable and many taxpayers leave. 

I clarified, and conceded that you were right on the real estate point.  One can't concede a point and admit wrongdoing around here without being condescended upon or what?  

Do your farts smell like Brisket to you?

You can look at the issue more broadly, state a more accurate conclusion, and then stop.

Instead, you went on to effectively say "yeah, well, those guys STILL suck, even if not for the reason I initially pointed out."  And you did so in such a broad and vague way that you might as well have just said "regulations can suck."  Yeah, they can.  So the fuck what?  Without a specific regulation, and specific effect to discuss, you didn't say a damned thing.  Just tried to claim some sort of high ground.

And no, my farts most definitely do not smell like Brisket.  After beer and fried chicken at the tailgate on Saturday, my wife adamantly informed me as such, and told me I needed to consider sleeping in another room.

[Dahobbs 17699]

6 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

I clarified, and conceded that you were right on the real estate point.  One can't concede a point and admit wrongdoing around here without being condescended upon or what?  

Until this post, it wasn't at all clear that you were conceding anything. You made stupid posts with stupid points. If you don't want to be made fun of, post better. 

[TornACL 7728]

Basically these arguments are morphing into "Yeah maybe there are lots of factors, but demonizing any hint of socialism (even in its most innocuous forms) fits my team talking points, so I choose to naively blame that for everything."

Edited November 20, 2018 by TornACL

[Fozzz 152]

3 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

A place like Texas pays high school educated roughnecks $95,000 a year for oilfield labor.  You have to live in a crappy place and do work that can be dangerous, but you can get paid handsomely for unskilled labor.   

The “why won’t you country bumpkins move out of your dying small town and go where the jobs are” line is true in a lot of cases, but that line cuts both ways.  You could just as easily tell the aspiring baristas and menial wage workers in NYC and San Francisco to move to West Texas or North Dakota if they want to make money and have a cheap apartment.  Otherwise, well those are the breaks if you can’t afford Manhattan.

I know it’s not easy to pick up and move, but this country has a history of people moving to where the jobs are.  Towns came and went, and new ones sprung up.  Now more and more people seem to think it’s the government’s job to make Detroit/Cleveland/Random Small Town into what they wished it was so they can stay home, or make NYC and California cheap enough for them to afford even though millions of other people want the same spot and are willing to pay more for it.  It’s impossible, and indulging those fantasies with government central planning economic policies just leads to ruin.

When you think about it, democracy is really a dismal failure and we should keep as many important decisions as possible out of the hands of the public.  Elections can stick around in a symbolic form (we can vote for people who have no power and offer no substantive choices), but that's it.  Corporate control over virtually all meaningful decisions affecting the public is the only way to go.  

Edited November 20, 2018 by Fozzz

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

When you think about it, democracy is really a dismal failure and we should keep as many important decisions as possible out of the hands of the public.  Elections can stick around in a symbolic form (we can vote for people who have no power and offer no substantive choices), but that's it.  Corporate control over virtually all meaningful decisions affecting the public is the only way to go.  

Not sure if troll bait or amusing sarcasm 

[Bullneck 19216]

On 11/19/2018 at 6:21 PM, Agent47 said:

A place like Texas wants to pay everybody temp wages (10 bucks an hour), the GOP wants to keep minimum wage at 8 or abolish it, and developers like Trump want to import slave labor while demonizing them as "voters" and rapists / murderers ...plus absolutely NO HEALTH CARE cuz fuck u I got mine and Obamacare is the socializizm Armageddons;!. Go to school and learn Jesus ride the dinosaur for a million dollars in debt then die from cancer after u reach 40 because corporate America only wants pretty millennials on Instagram scooters 

= A homeless middleclass corporate slave world dystopian brave New world global warming Logan's run shit hole moonscape planet where UT grads LIKE YOU become Chuds.

Dumbass Americans are about to be enslaved. 

Do I love or hate this post?  I can't tell.  

[Turkleton 145]

2 hours ago, Fozzz said:

When you think about it, democracy is really a dismal failure and we should keep as many important decisions as possible out of the hands of the public.  Elections can stick around in a symbolic form (we can vote for people who have no power and offer no substantive choices), but that's it.  Corporate control over virtually all meaningful decisions affecting the public is the only way to go.  

and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth

[workswithseed 2119]

18 hours ago, Fozzz said:

When you think about it, democracy is really a dismal failure and we should keep as many important decisions as possible out of the hands of the public.  Elections can stick around in a symbolic form (we can vote for people who have no power and offer no substantive choices), but that's it.  Corporate control over virtually all meaningful decisions affecting the public is the only way to go.  

"What in the wide world of sports is going on here?"