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21 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Macron went back and attacked the protesters again. The ones who have 80% support of the population. He's such a snob he hates his own voters. It's a very difficult situation when a leader and a population obviously hate each other but the leader won't just leave honorably. 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/01/unapologetic-after-bruising-year-macron-slams-yellow-vests-as-a-hateful-crowd/

 

Substitute Trump for Macron and you may be on to something. 

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25 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Macron went back and attacked the protesters again. The ones who have 80% support of the population. He's such a snob he hates his own voters. It's a very difficult situation when a leader and a population obviously hate each other but the leader won't just leave honorably. 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/01/unapologetic-after-bruising-year-macron-slams-yellow-vests-as-a-hateful-crowd/

 

Wow, this Macron guy sounds exactly like Trump.  Maybe both should do the honorable thing and leave.

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On 1/6/2019 at 11:07 AM, wildcat09 said:

Very strange to see our resident conservatives decrying a leader who cuts taxes on the rich and demands the poor more into the system.

i actually posted that piketty blog so that some of the mouthbreathers could have an opportunity to read and understand what this actually about from an economist who specializes in decrying income inequality and trends towards socialists solutions for it.  the irony of what i call the idiotic/trump right (vs. intelligent conservatives) weighing in attacking macron is...amusing.

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i actually posted that piketty blog so that some of the mouthbreathers could have an opportunity to read and understand what this actually about from an economist who specializes in decrying income inequality and trends towards socialists solutions for it.  the irony of what i call the idiotic/trump right (vs. intelligent conservatives) weighing in attacking macron is...amusing.

You can't even be bothered to make any argument, yet you triumphantly take a victory lap. 

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I have only peripherally been paying attention to this story. I haven't done any deep diving into the various issues and players that are driving it.  But the protests are now two months along.  Weekend number 8 just finished and best I can tell, the protesters are not waning in their fervor.  It appears that the French population have rejected Macron personally and not just whatever policy proposals he's been championing.  If he doesn't step down, is France on course for a revolution?

They (Macron's government) are enacting more authoritarian controls in an attempt to quell protests.  France isn't Venezuela.  There is a history there of revolt.  They are playing with fire IMO.

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I have only peripherally been paying attention to this story. I haven't done any deep diving into the various issues and players that are driving it.  But the protests are now two months along.  Weekend number 8 just finished and best I can tell, the protesters are not waning in their fervor.  It appears that the French population have rejected Macron personally and not just whatever policy proposals he's been championing.  If he doesn't step down, is France on course for a revolution? 

They (Macron's government) are enacting more authoritarian controls in an attempt to quell protests.  France isn't Venezuela.  There is a history there of revolt.  They are playing with fire IMO. 

instituting regressive taxes and financial burden on the proletariat while eliminating the same for the elites also has a bit of a history in france.  they generally respond well to such things.

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Yellow vest protesters to withdraw all their euros in massive run on French banks

Furious yellow vests are preparing to withdraw all their euros in a massive run on French banks, as the violent protests spill over to Britain.

Yellow vest activists are urging French citizens to empty their bank accounts and spark a massive run on the country’s banks in their longstanding fight with the government — which could lead to the collapse of its banking system.
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This comes ahead of the ninth straight weekend of protests across France, with yellow vests now issuing calls on social media for massive cash withdrawals from banks.

Protesters hope the move will force the government to listen to their demands, notably their call for more direct democracy through the implementation of popular votes that allow citizens to propose new laws.

Activist Maxime Nicolle called it the “tax collector’s referendum.”

In a video message, Nicolle said “we are going to get our bread back … You’re making money with our dough, and we’re fed up.”

WHAT COULD A BANK RUN MEAN?

If a bank run succeeds, the yellow vests could cause a complete failure of France’s banking system.

Unlike Australia, France operates on a Fractional Reserve System meaning their banking system holds a fraction of money that’s deposited by customers. The rest is used to make loans, creating new money.

The countries banks are believed to have about a quarter of the cash needed to weather a bank run.

If reports are true in saying 70 per cent of the population plans to withdraw all their euros, it means more than 46 million people will be directly revolting against the system.

This could lead to a systemic banking crisis in the country where almost all the banking capital is wiped out.

HOW COULD IT AFFECT ECONOMY?

France has the seventh largest economy in the world and the second largest in Europe, valued at $US2.58 trillion, according to world bank data.

It relies heavily on tourism and agriculture to sustain this — and boasts being the most visited country in the world.

If a bank run leads to widespread financial crisis it can result in a long economic recession for businesses and consumers who don’t have enough money.

During the Great Depression in the 1930s much of the economic damage was caused by bank runs.

A bank run like the one being promoted in France now could potentially paralyse the country’s economy and lead to a collapse in the Euro.
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https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/yellow-vest-protesters-call-for-huge-run-on-french-banks/news-story/ed334ed08b2ccfc13ca1b108c78f25eb

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Members of the "yellow vests" protest movement have vandalised almost 60% of France's entire speed camera network, the interior minister has said.

Christophe Castaner said the wilful damage was a threat to road safety and put lives in danger.

The protest movement began over fuel tax increases, and saw motorists block roads and motorway toll booths.

Some protesters feel speed cameras are solely a revenue-generating measure which takes money from the poor.

The BBC's Hugh Schofield, in Paris, said evidence of the vandalism is visible to anyone driving around France, with radar cameras covered in paint or black tape to stop them working.

But the extent of the damage - now believed to affect more than half of all 3,200 speed cameras in the country's network - was unknown until Mr Castaner's statement on Thursday.

He said the devices had been "neutralised, attacked, or destroyed" by members of the protest movement.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472

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Macron has penned a sternly worded not for the yellow vests. It seems the Free Shit Army will be defeated with the stroke of a pen. Oh wait, no, I doubt that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-macron-idUSKCN1P70SG

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Macron’s initiative comes after nine weeks of protests by the “yellow vests” — named after the high-visibility jackets they wear. The disparate anti-government uprising has wreaked havoc in Paris and French cities, shaken the economy and challenged his authority.

“For me, there is no banned issue. We won’t agree on everything, which is normal in a democracy. But at least we’ll show we’re a people which is not afraid of talking, exchanging, debating,” Macron wrote in the letter published by his office.

But Macron said he would remain faithful to his campaign manifesto, and appeared to rule out rolling back some of the pro-business economic reforms, such as scrapping a wealth tax, which have earned him the nickname “president of the rich”.

 

“When taxes are too high, our economy is starved of the resources that could be usefully invested in companies, creating jobs and growth,” Macron wrote.

“We will not undo the measures we have introduced to put this right, encourage investment and ensure that work pays more.”

In the 2,330-word letter, to be published in French newspapers, he also asked a series of questions he hoped the French will answer in town hall meetings across the country or in online questionnaires.

Below are some of the questions Macron asked:

 

- Which taxes do you think we should cut?

- What kind of public spending savings do you think we should make a priority?

- Are there too many administrative layers?

- Should we use referendums more often and who should be able to trigger them?

You cannot engage in reasoned discourse with an angry mob.

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On 1/6/2019 at 10:30 AM, Thetexashammer said:

Macron went back and attacked the protesters again. The ones who have 80% support of the population. He's such a snob he hates his own voters. It's a very difficult situation when a leader and a population obviously hate each other but the leader won't just leave honorably. 

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/01/unapologetic-after-bruising-year-macron-slams-yellow-vests-as-a-hateful-crowd/

 

 

10 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Macron has penned a sternly worded not for the yellow vests. It seems the Free Shit Army will be defeated with the stroke of a pen. Oh wait, no, I doubt that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-macron-idUSKCN1P70SG

You cannot engage in reasoned discourse with an angry mob.

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I don't understand why people ask why people care that the 2nd largest contributor to the EU is mad at its government. Why conservatives think its great that people are pissed at being taxed too much. It's like you think we care if only business are taxed but not people who makes less as well.

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3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I don't understand why people ask why people care that the 2nd largest contributor to the EU is mad at its government. Why conservatives think its great that people are pissed at being taxed too much. It's like you think we care if only business are taxed but not people who makes less as well.

They aren't pissed at being taxed too much. They're pissed that the rich aren't being taxed enough.

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-general-strike-paris-macron-traffic

More than 200 miles of roads in and around Paris were reported to be clogged with traffic jams Friday as a general strike aimed at President Emmanuel Macron's plans to overhaul the country’s pension system continues to wreak havoc on commuters and tourists.

For a second straight day, subway stations surrounding the Eiffel Tower and other attractions remained shut down, leaving visitors scrambling for ways to get around one of the world’s most popular travel destinations.

“I arrived in Paris today, but I have been stuck for around two hours just trying to find a bus or a train," Zaeen Shoii, a tourist from Pakistan, told the Associated Press. "But everything has been delayed, so I'm just waiting for the next bus now.”

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If your religion requires murder for someone drawing a picture of your prophet, maybe this religion has issues?

 

October 16 2020

Teacher beheaded by "radical"

https://thesuffolkjournal.com/31281/world-news-at-suffolk/french-teacher-beheaded/

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Samuel Paty, a 47-year-old history teacher, was beheaded outside of the school he worked at in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, a town northwest of Paris. According to BBC, the crime was committed by an 18-year-old Chechen man, Abdullakh Anzorov, who was subsequently shot dead by the police.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54602171

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"Last year, a student told me that it was completely legitimate to kill someone who failed to show respect to the Prophet [Muhammad]," Fathia Agad-Boudjhalat, a history teacher, told French radio. "It comes from what they hear in their families."

 

October 28 2020

3 dead, woman beheaded in church in Nice France

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-knife-attack-nice-terrorism-officials-say/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=103143507

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An attacker armed with a knife beheaded one person and killed two others at a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday, French police and officials said. The country was already on high alert for extremist violence amid tensions over caricatures of the Muslim Prophet Muhammad published by satirical French magazine, Charlie Hebdo. 

French authorities have opened a terrorism investigation.  

During Thursday's attack, the assailant reportedly cried out "Allahu Akbar," Nice's mayor, Christian Estrosi, said. The attacker, who was injured while being arrested, was taken to a nearby hospital, a police official said. He was believed to have been acting alone.

 

 

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Macron is getting a lot of hate for saying you shouldn't kill people over a picture.

The people against Macron's comments are dictators and theocrats 

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https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/27/macron-and-islam-what-has-the-french-president-actually-said-to-outrage-the-muslim-world

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On October 2, before an audience in a town northwest of Paris -- some 20 kilometres from where the teacher was later murdered after discussing cartoons with his class -- Macron set out a plan to combat "separatism", focusing on Islam in particular.

"Islam is a religion which is experiencing a crisis today, all over the world," he said in his speech (in French), citing tensions between fundamentalism, proper religious projects and politicians.

There was a need to "free Islam in France from foreign influences", the president went on, outlining plans to end a system allowing Imams to train overseas, reduce homeschooling, and take control of religious funding. Associations would have to sign a contract respecting "the Republic's values" in order to obtain subsidies.

The measures, accompanied by improvements to educational, cultural and sports services, are to form part of a draft law on "secularity and liberty", expected in December.

There was a need to build an "Islam des Lumières" (Islam of Enlightenment), the president said.

"Our challenge is to struggle against the downward slide of some in the name of religion, by ensuring that those who want to believe in Islam and are full citizens of our Republic are not targeted."

After Samuel Paty's brutal killing, Emmanuel Macron defended freedom of expression: "We will not give up caricatures and drawings, even if others back away", calling for an end to hatred and violence and for respect for others.

So he basically said we believe in free speech, you can draw what you want here, and Islam needs to devoid itself of radicalism, and build an Islam of enlightenment. Yeah soooo scary, unless you're not a religious zealot

Of course the zealots are freaking out because they dare talk about Islam

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/world/europe/French-Muslims-Turkey-crackdown.html

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President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, who called Mr. Macron mentally damaged in a speech over the weekend. “Macron needs mental treatment,” he said. “What is the problem of this person Macron with Muslims and Islam?”

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has accused Mr. Macron of being divisive and encouraging Islamophobia

“By attacking Islam, clearly without having any understanding of it, President Macron has attacked & hurt the sentiments of millions of Muslims in Europe & across the world.”

Kuwait’s foreign ministry criticized linking Islam to terrorism, saying it “represents a falsification of reality, insults the teachings of Islam and offends the feelings of Muslims around the world.”

In Saudi Arabia, the country’s state-run press agency quoted an anonymous foreign ministry official saying the kingdom “rejects any attempt to link Islam and terrorism and denounces the offensive cartoons of the Prophet.” The kingdom’s highest religious authority said that “defaming” the prophet “only serves extremists,’’ and that “these insults have nothing to do with freedom of expression.”

The last quote is the main disconnect. They will never understand freedom of speech or agree to it because that freedom includes denigrating their beliefs. People in free counties are allowed to mock whoever the fuck they want. 

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