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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

It's actually hard to believe someone as mentally fragile as him had as much success as he did.

The knee-jerk response to this is typically "Because Vince," and while Vince's heroics were a critical piece of it, there's more.

 

warning: detailed longcat commences; grab yer adderall and try to stay awake

 

The still oversimplified but much longer story is that he got lucky with some changes to his staff. (To be fair, he had some hires of his own that were good. Akina was a great hire; Tolleson was fantastic his entire tenure here. And... well. That's the lot.)

  1. Hiring Dick Tomey. I've been beating this drum ever since it happened, and honestly it basically happened on accident. Tomey changed the way Mack had done things for decades, including having starters go against starters in practice. And revamping his defensive staff in general was needed, because his initial hire was a gadget coach who made his name by stopping Spurrier's Florida teams. Mack had called Tomey up to see who he should hire to coach DE's, and Tomey told him "Hire me." He, SB-winning coach Greg Robinson, and (already on staff) Duane Akina then helped build some championship-winning defenses. Tomey was the only person who could tell Mack to do things differently.
  2. McWhorter coaching Nunez's recruits. When Mack started, he hired Tim Nunez as OL coach, who was a top-notch talent identifier/acquirer who couldn't develop that talent once they arrived; McWhorter could develop that talent once on the team, but was lazy and awful at identifying and acquiring said talent. The 2005 season featured a starting OL with Nunez's recruits and McWhorter's development. They were awesome and it was never as good before or since.

These things were more or less Mack catching lightning in a bottle, things that broke him out of his normal tendencies and finally got him that gold ring. But he himself didn't recognize how critical they were, and after Tomey left, he eventually went back to the ways he had done things before, as if to prove that he could do it his own way. And that might have worked in 2008 and 2009 if one thing had been different: If the OL recruiting had been as good under McWhorter as it had been under Nunez (again, with McWhorter's development). Without a good enough OL, poor Colt McCoy was destroyed in the Big XII title game (where we barely eked out a win) and completely ruined in Pasadena (which by itself probably led to the loss).

I mean... the fact that Mack thinks he should've given Garrett Gilbert more snaps, instead of, you know, maybe getting some badass bruisers on OL in the preceding years over Good Kids Who Graduate, just shows that he still has no idea how he did it in '05.

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

Run sheet for Mack's first Austin Tx Based Media Production

 

-  Weekly Longhorn Recap

- Quarterback/Safety Safety/Quarterback - A Study in Duality

- Florida Recruiting - Why It's So Hard

-  Texas BBQ Talk 

-  Surviving The Surge - Tips and Tricks For The First 10 Minutes of A Football Game

-  Scary Stuff Roundtable

-  Around Austin with special guest Mackenzie Kelly

- Preview of Next Opponent/Predictions

Maybe Mack will "rekindle" the fireside chats, that another former coach at Texas had, in a football format. Mack likes to repeat things and places.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

As much shit as Greg Davis took, he(and VY of course) is probably the reason Mack is who he is.

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I carried so much water on behalf of Greg Davis at the time I'm still hunched over and the basement's still flooded.* I realize that decrying him now may look like over-correcting. But the only thing Davis did was steal the very simple zone read scheme Missouri was running and hand it to Vince. All the jokes about the "Greg Davis 3rd and 5" are true. No one in coaching circles goes around trying to copy what Greg Davis was doing; Davis was the copycat, but with no knowledge of when a good idea is a good idea and when it isn't. Folks pointed out this flaw with his play calling, but it's also true to how you create an offense to begin with.

Davis got big numbers because he had an overwhelming talent advantage. When he didn't have that, he couldn't move the ball or score.

 

*I do not have a basement. It's a figure of speech, kay?

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26 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Seriously... all other shit aside I can NOT stand to hear his voice. His press conferences while WINNING before 2008 irritated me. That voice the, bullshit "ah shucks gee whiz" comments, never being anything but evasive unless complimenting an opponent (which he fucking LOVED to do), all of it. 

What's sad is my wife pointing out how whiny he was at the time, only for me to try to defend him, because -- as someone who started being a Longhorn fan in earnest in 1989 -- I'd never had it so good.

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35 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

that's scratching the surface of what he is going to do unless and until he feels accommodated and loved

Right, which is why people in a position to make it happen need to make sure he feels accommodated and loved. And that shouldn't be that difficult, honestly. An honorific, some nice UT gear when new styles come out, face in the video packages, cut some promos, do some interviews, "THANKS MACK!" in the drone show at some relevant date (birthday or somesuch). Very import golf-playing and speech-giving responsibilities. Keep him just busy and fed enough to keep his worst instincts from winning out.

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5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Right, which is why people in a position to make it happen need to make sure he feels accommodated and loved. And that shouldn't be that difficult, honestly. An honorific, some nice UT gear when new styles come out, face in the video packages, cut some promos, do some interviews, "THANKS MACK!" in the drone show at some relevant date (birthday or somesuch). Very import golf-playing and speech-giving responsibilities. Keep him just busy and fed enough to keep his worst instincts from winning out.

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42 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

What's sad is my wife pointing out how whiny he was at the time, only for me to try to defend him, because -- as someone who started being a Longhorn fan in earnest in 1989 -- I'd never had it so good.

I was a fickle asshole, shockingly some still might call me that. 

I didn't then and never have liked people that come off as fraudulent or 2 faced. Something about Mack and the way he spoke gave me that gut feeling. I think a large part was actually the extensive compliments and respects he gave opposing teams and more so the coaches. 

I get the "They come prepared and do a good job getting their team ready." Coach speak.  And I'm not advocating putting up bulletin board material by shitting on other teams or coaches. 

However, "scares you to death", "don't know anyone better at coaching" (really? Well, should Texas fire you and hire them), "they're just loaded at every position" (why the fuck aren't we), etc just rubbed me the wrong way. I kept my mouth closed for the most part, cause like you said, it was the best we'd ever seen and my start was about the same time as yours.

But now, knowing what a know..

Nah bruh, nah nah nah!

Edit - you know where Mack would have been perfect was on the sidelines for the CU game last night. He would have driven home the knob slobbing from the booth.

"Going down to Mack on the sideline. Oh, there's a little pun. It appears Mack has gone down already. Coach Brown are the rumors true about Coach Prime's cock."

"Gug gah guh guh gah gag gug"

"Seems we're having some difficulty with our audio. We will get fixed and back down to Coach Brown soon"

"Love how Mack is never afraid to take on the hard tasks"

"Saw what you did there Jim" 

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5 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

All fine and good but you have to have a plan to deal with him too, because with a narcissist it's never enough.  If you give him all of the above he will be thinking "yeah but why didn't they give me XYZ?"  And worse, I'm sure he still has supporters, friends, patrons, boosters, BMDs in the system and he can pour poison in their ears in private all the easier the closer he gets to the program.

All it takes is him attending one practice, then he has a conversation w/ a big donor about how "oh I saw something that I didn't like or  wouldn't have done it that way" and pretty soon the BBs are falling out of the box and someone like Sark or CDC has to start working to put them back in.  Maybe let's not spill them to begin with.

this.  it is a fool's errand to think that Mack Brown(especially one who feels he was EXTREMELY wronged by the school he is coming back to) can be placated.  he is going to be trying to rebuild his legacy and he has no idea how to do that other than tearing people down.  it is ALWAYS someone elses fault with FUPM.

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12 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

this.  it is a fool's errand to think that Mack Brown(especially one who feels he was EXTREMELY wronged by the school he is coming back to) can be placated.  he is going to be trying to rebuild his legacy and he has no idea how to do that other than tearing people down.  it is ALWAYS someone elses fault with FUPM.

This.  Keep his ass as far away from the 40 acres as possible.  Fuck him.  I'll never click a link for any interview or anything else that has to do with that narcissistic asshole

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5 hours ago, immamac said:

 

Mack is a media monster. This is a media play, which is why the interview was great and why him coming back is good. 

 

Fuck Mack Brown.  There is zero scenario in which that asshole coming back around this program is "good" and if you all can't see that you have no understanding whatsoever of what went on here at the end of his tenure and who he is.

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6 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Doubt he needs money though wealthy successful people often do not have an off switch.  there is enough infrastructure in place to where Mack could have an ambassador type role and not interfere with Sark.  The caveat being I think CDC and Deloss are close.  Emissary Mack may be good for the program though I still think he’s a thin skinned jerk

let's say mack becomes the minister of hospitality - his job is to visit as many suites as possible on gamedays, play 2 rounds a day with vips, have a permanent table at vince's where he hosts vips 2 or 3 times a week - will that keep him happy and out of the way?

of course not

no matter how many firewalls they build around him, he is going to eventually say something or do something with the wrong person or people and it will become a problem for sark &/or cdc to deal with

witness the last half of this season - the national press has been looking for something, anything they can use to feed the texas hate engine

i would expect bowels to ask sark about mack in atlanta in the next 2 days

bobby really fucked up releasing this before the season was over - there was no need

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm convinced a large swath of this fan base does not want to be happy.

I think most of this fan base likes the place that Texas Football is in right now. They are very wary of things and people that can endanger that. Mack "giveth and then he took it away." There is no denying how petty Mack can be, it is a known fact. Why play around with people that are hard to control and can possibly hurt the program if you don't have to?

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4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Here's a very simple question: Is it good for Texas to have an NC-winning former coach on ESPN/YouTube/wherever talking about how awesome Texas is?

The answer is yes.

Since Mack is coming, whether we like it or not, we should actively engineer the best possible outcome to the extent that we can.

of course the answer is yes

and the answer being yes has zero bearing on the possibility or probability of all of the other negatives coming to pass

actively engineering zero fuckups is unpossible - if he has a role near the program - he is going to create noise for cdc or sark or the tower or or or or regardless of how much of a coup it is to have him talking up burnt orange on youtube - the national media hate engine won't give that angle a microsecond but they will take the smallest slightest fuckup and blow it up to infinity

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4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

All this "he threatened to sue us so long we couldn't get Saban and he told some recruits to go somewhere else" or whatever shit is super-inside baseball to whatever extent it's even connected to reality. When he resigned, he didn't put out public statements about Texas being dogshit and evil, he said he resigned because his work wasn't up to the standard of Texas expectations. He was a little whiny about it, but overall he has been a good soldier in terms of being outwardly positive. Don't confuse our hyper-obsessive viewpoint onto it with how the broader CFB/sports world sees it.

Here's a very simple question: Is it good for Texas to have an NC-winning former coach on ESPN/YouTube/wherever talking about how awesome Texas is?

The answer is yes.

Since Mack is coming, whether we like it or not, we should actively engineer the best possible outcome to the extent that we can.

God, just shut the fuck up.

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3 minutes ago, NBHorn7 said:

I think most of this fan base likes the place that Texas Football is in right now. They are very wary of things and people that can endanger that. Mack "giveth and then he took it away." There is no denying how petty Mack can be, it is a known fact. Why play around with people that are hard to control and can possibly hurt the program if you don't have to?

Mack Brown cannot hurt this football program. 

Good lord.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

He hasn't had a thing to do with Texas football for over a decade. 

Mack Brown doesn't have the power to affect Texas football anymore.

He will now have something to do with Texas Football and has a history of bad behavior and has many friends in the media. 

He will certainly have the power to hurt Texas football.

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Such unique timing for the interview to be released...an hour or so before the latest employer to "wrong" him was about to play in their bowl game.  I am sure that was 100% coincidence and he didn't discuss/request timing with Bobby.  (Love Bobby and all he has done, and continues to do, for the program.  Yet, it has been said they have been friends for many years so I'm sure he would be happy to agree as it does not impact him in any negative way.)

As said, he is a media monster and wanted some Mack Brown talk on the same day "his" team was playing.

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I carried so much water on behalf of Greg Davis at the time I'm still hunched over and the basement's still flooded.* I realize that decrying him now may look like over-correcting. But the only thing Davis did was steal the very simple zone read scheme Missouri was running and hand it to Vince. All the jokes about the "Greg Davis 3rd and 5" are true. No one in coaching circles goes around trying to copy what Greg Davis was doing; Davis was the copycat, but with no knowledge of when a good idea is a good idea and when it isn't. Folks pointed out this flaw with his play calling, but it's also true to how you create an offense to begin with.
Davis got big numbers because he had an overwhelming talent advantage. When he didn't have that, he couldn't move the ball or score.
 
*I do not have a basement. It's a figure of speech, kay?

Or did he just let Vince run his high school offense? This is a serious question.
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20 hours ago, blacklab said:

He actively shit on Texas on the way out, trying to prevent good coaches to come here and told recruits to go somewhere else, all to make himself look better. Do you really think he wants Sark to win a couple of national championships and make him look worse?

That thin-skinned, two-faced clown will undermine anything that threatens to surpass his perceived legacy. 

Move to, and stay in, Marble Falls and have as many pieces of pie with Dodds at Blue Bonnet as he and his fatness see fit.  But keep that cunt as far away from the program as possible. 

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34 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He hasn't had a thing to do with Texas football for over a decade. 

Mack Brown doesn't have the power to affect Texas football anymore.

So you are ok with bringing back someone who tried to hurt the program on his way out because it was "over a decade ago?" Now you're certain that he can't do any harm because "trust me bro."

Good lord, indeed!

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6 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

So you are ok with bringing back someone who tried to hurt the program on his way out because it was "over a decade ago?" Now you're certain that he can't do any harm because "trust me bro."

Good lord, indeed!

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT

Mack Brown doesn't work for UT, the AD or anything else and there are no plans for him to do so. 

You guys are just making shit up, full conspiracy shit. Knock it the fuck off. 

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