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He wrote “Fuck you, pay me,” didn’t he.

MrBig
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I posted this last night in the shoe thread with all the memes and then JMU lays 70 on Mack at home the next day. Perfection.   

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Some UNC fan just liked my fire Mack Brown tweet from 2013.

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:54 PM, Hank Chinaski said:

Wasn't that the game in which McGee jumped up and got in Sergio Kindle's face after getting sacked by him, with his team trailing by multiple TDs, for no apparent reason? That was about the most aggy thing that's ever happened. 

Yes, and before that, McGee had thrown like a 30 yard pass, which was probably their only highlight of the game, and he got up in one of player's face taunting them about it. Mind you, down 3 or 4 TDs. 

3 plays later: sacked, driven out of field goal range, and he came up to Sergio butthurt trying to be "likes to fight-guy". 

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On 7/31/2019 at 11:41 AM, Tex Long said:

Had I been a parent of one of the dead kids, I would have sued the living shit out of the school. Whether politics would have interfered with such, I don't know, but I expect it would have.

 

Little catch up on how that turned out, from 2014:

 

Nearly 15 years after the deadly bonfire collapse at Texas A&M University, litigation surrounding the accident that killed 12 students and injured several others has come to an end.

In April, the final defendants, Zachry Construction Corp. in San Antonio and Scott-Macon Equipment, which has a San Antonio office, reached settlements in a lawsuit filed by the parents of four students who were killed and three injured survivors, said Darrell Keith, a Fort Worth attorney. 

Keith represented five of the plaintiffs, including the mother of Jerry Don Self, a student from Arlington who was killed.

The settlement amount is being kept confidential at the request of Zachry Construction, but Scott-Macon agreed to pay $171,147, Keith said. The two companies provided cranes and crane operators for the construction of the bonfire.

“All the parties have settled,” Keith said. “I’m very satisfied. We accomplished our goals. We attained fair compensation.”

Representatives for Zachry could not be reached for comment.

Geno Borchardt, a Fort Worth lawyer who represented the parents of Chad Powell, a Keller student killed in the collapse, declined to comment on the final settlements. 

Early on the morning of Nov. 18, 1999, 12 people were killed and 27 were injured, some severely, when the 60-foot stack of more than 6,000 logs toppled while about 70 students were working on it. The “wedding cake” design had six tiers of logs bound with wire.

Bonfire, an A&M tradition for nine decades, has not been held since.

Keith said all the parties in the litigation, which included cases in state and federal courts, expected it to take several years. Keith filed the first lawsuit in Tarrant County in March 2001, but it and two others were consolidated and transferred to Brazos County, where Texas A&M is located.

 
The suits named about 65 defendants, many of whom were student leaders called “red pots,” as well as the university and A&M officials and the construction companies.

The state case never went to trial but was mediated by former Texas Supreme Court Justice Deborah Hankinson in Dallas. 

In 2008, a dozen Aggie administrators agreed to pay $2.1 million to the families of the four students killed and three others injured. Four years prior, the student leaders of the construction settled for $5.85 million, which came from their parents’ homeowners policies, Keith said.

Other victims were attached to a federal case that ended in 2007 when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to reconsider a lower-court ruling that Texas A&M officials could not be held responsible for the deaths and injuries.

 
Dominic Braus, one of the injured, said the final settlements bring a sense of closure. Braus, now a lawyer in Waco, was a freshman who fell from the top of the third stack of logs, nearly losing his right arm when it was partly severed near the shoulder. Doctors were able to reattach the arm, except for the biceps muscles, he said.

“It took a long time,” Braus said of the settlements. “But in the end, justice was done and we can move on.”

The biggest victory came not in the court settlement but when A&M officials agreed that if they ever bring the bonfire back to campus, they will provide architectural and engineering oversight by professionals who have no affiliation with the university, Keith said.

“This has been a 13-year odyssey,” Keith said. “Through the entire process, my clients and I were not against an Aggie bonfire. We were simply against a fatally defective bonfire. That was part of the lawsuit, to help bring about and remedy the problem and hopefully deter it from ever happening again. 

 
“It has been very professionally satisfying and rewarding to bring about some measure of justice.”

Bonfire, Keith said, was among the most-revered traditions at Texas A&M, starting in 1909 and held the night before the football game against the school’s archrival, the University of Texas. If the fire was still burning at midnight, the Aggies would win the game, according to school lore. That very myth is what led to the fatal design and construction of the bonfire in 1999, he said.

From the mid-1980s until 1996, the bonfire was constructed under the guidance of two professors. When they left the university, however, the administration failed to provide the needed professional engineering, architectural and construction science oversight or student supervision, Keith said.

After the accident, a Bonfire Commission report said mistakes were made in 1999 — primarily too much wedging of logs into gaps, overbuilding of the upper stacks and weak wiring — but the report didn’t place blame.

 
“My investigation revealed a significant number of potentially responsible parties,” Keith said. “They were dodging and evading the obvious fact that there were people obviously responsible. It was also important for the public to see that the legal justice system brought out the truth of what really happened.”

Students were building the bonfire under a rigid timetable and not correctly, and if university advisers had been watching, they could have shut down construction, Keith said.

Moreover, he said, the crane operators should have known that the logs were not being placed properly and stopped the building.

“This myth is what drove the design and construction of bonfire and ultimately spelled its doom,” Keith said. “It was a collapse waiting to happen.”

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22 hours ago, TexasMan said:

Yes, and before that, McGee had thrown like a 30 yard pass, which was probably their only highlight of the game, and he got up in one of player's face taunting them about it. Mind you, down 3 or 4 TDs. 

3 plays later: sacked, driven out of field goal range, and he came up to Sergio butthurt trying to be "likes to fight-guy". 

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Yes, and before that, McGee had thrown like a 30 yard pass, which was probably their only highlight of the game, and he got up in one of player's face taunting them about it. Mind you, down 3 or 4 TDs. 

3 plays later: sacked, driven out of field goal range, and he came up to Sergio butthurt trying to be "likes to fight-guy". 

So quintessentially aggy. 

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"Explosive Plays" used to drive me crazy when he'd say it.  And the metrics for them changed every fucking season.  He's like the Bill James of college football if Bill James fucked Mack's sister with Mack's dick and then used that dick as an abacus with which to determine the next statistical fad that would only exist in his own head.  

You got enough our money yet you fucking asswipe?

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Little catch up on how that turned out, from 2014:

 

Nearly 15 years after the deadly bonfire collapse at Texas A&M University, litigation surrounding the accident that killed 12 students and injured several others has come to an end.

In April, the final defendants, Zachry Construction Corp. in San Antonio and Scott-Macon Equipment, which has a San Antonio office, reached settlements in a lawsuit filed by the parents of four students who were killed and three injured survivors, said Darrell Keith, a Fort Worth attorney. 

Keith represented five of the plaintiffs, including the mother of Jerry Don Self, a student from Arlington who was killed.

The settlement amount is being kept confidential at the request of Zachry Construction, but Scott-Macon agreed to pay $171,147, Keith said. The two companies provided cranes and crane operators for the construction of the bonfire.

“All the parties have settled,” Keith said. “I’m very satisfied. We accomplished our goals. We attained fair compensation.”

Representatives for Zachry could not be reached for comment.

Geno Borchardt, a Fort Worth lawyer who represented the parents of Chad Powell, a Keller student killed in the collapse, declined to comment on the final settlements. 

Early on the morning of Nov. 18, 1999, 12 people were killed and 27 were injured, some severely, when the 60-foot stack of more than 6,000 logs toppled while about 70 students were working on it. The “wedding cake” design had six tiers of logs bound with wire.

Bonfire, an A&M tradition for nine decades, has not been held since.

Keith said all the parties in the litigation, which included cases in state and federal courts, expected it to take several years. Keith filed the first lawsuit in Tarrant County in March 2001, but it and two others were consolidated and transferred to Brazos County, where Texas A&M is located.

 
The suits named about 65 defendants, many of whom were student leaders called “red pots,” as well as the university and A&M officials and the construction companies.

The state case never went to trial but was mediated by former Texas Supreme Court Justice Deborah Hankinson in Dallas. 

In 2008, a dozen Aggie administrators agreed to pay $2.1 million to the families of the four students killed and three others injured. Four years prior, the student leaders of the construction settled for $5.85 million, which came from their parents’ homeowners policies, Keith said.

Other victims were attached to a federal case that ended in 2007 when the U.S. Supreme Court declined to reconsider a lower-court ruling that Texas A&M officials could not be held responsible for the deaths and injuries.

 
Dominic Braus, one of the injured, said the final settlements bring a sense of closure. Braus, now a lawyer in Waco, was a freshman who fell from the top of the third stack of logs, nearly losing his right arm when it was partly severed near the shoulder. Doctors were able to reattach the arm, except for the biceps muscles, he said.

“It took a long time,” Braus said of the settlements. “But in the end, justice was done and we can move on.”

The biggest victory came not in the court settlement but when A&M officials agreed that if they ever bring the bonfire back to campus, they will provide architectural and engineering oversight by professionals who have no affiliation with the university, Keith said.

“This has been a 13-year odyssey,” Keith said. “Through the entire process, my clients and I were not against an Aggie bonfire. We were simply against a fatally defective bonfire. That was part of the lawsuit, to help bring about and remedy the problem and hopefully deter it from ever happening again. 

 
“It has been very professionally satisfying and rewarding to bring about some measure of justice.”

Bonfire, Keith said, was among the most-revered traditions at Texas A&M, starting in 1909 and held the night before the football game against the school’s archrival, the University of Texas. If the fire was still burning at midnight, the Aggies would win the game, according to school lore. That very myth is what led to the fatal design and construction of the bonfire in 1999, he said.

From the mid-1980s until 1996, the bonfire was constructed under the guidance of two professors. When they left the university, however, the administration failed to provide the needed professional engineering, architectural and construction science oversight or student supervision, Keith said.

After the accident, a Bonfire Commission report said mistakes were made in 1999 — primarily too much wedging of logs into gaps, overbuilding of the upper stacks and weak wiring — but the report didn’t place blame.

 
“My investigation revealed a significant number of potentially responsible parties,” Keith said. “They were dodging and evading the obvious fact that there were people obviously responsible. It was also important for the public to see that the legal justice system brought out the truth of what really happened.”

Students were building the bonfire under a rigid timetable and not correctly, and if university advisers had been watching, they could have shut down construction, Keith said.

Moreover, he said, the crane operators should have known that the logs were not being placed properly and stopped the building.

“This myth is what drove the design and construction of bonfire and ultimately spelled its doom,” Keith said. “It was a collapse waiting to happen.”

If aggy only had an engineering school.

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7 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Now they play Wake in a nonconference game. What a weird schedule.

UNC and Wake are in different divisions in the ACC so they play each other only once every 7 years. Since the ACC requires every team play a power 5 conference opponent every year, UNC and Wake took advantage of this to schedule themselves as a non-conference game to boost ticket sales. They play each other again as a non-conference game in 2021.

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12 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

He will probably get to the point where he can beat everybody except Clemson.  That’s the new Oklahoma/Florida State where he curls up in the fetal position and gets his ass kicked every year.

Unlike when he was at Texas, that would be an excellent outcome for UNC (thought they'd get tired of it as well at some point).

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10 hours ago, Machinator said:

Unlike when he was at Texas, that would be an excellent outcome for UNC (thought they'd get tired of it as well at some point).

Yep. 

And once they're winning regularly, the mysterious difficulties they have with mediocre competition will become frustrating. "We have all the talent we need" and "we should be beating these guys with no problem" will start to be said. Fans will start to complain about 'heart' and 'focus'. They'll question the motivation of the players. 

And Mack will stand there, beaming, flashing everyone the #1 sign.

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Y'all still holding a grudge against Mack need to chill out. He was a net positive for this program, by a huge margin, beyond any doubt. Things went off the rails at the end there and pushing him out was the right and necessary thing to do, but he can't hurt you anymore. It's not like this is Art Briles or Joe Paterno we're talking about, his failings were fielding a mediocre football team and being thin-skinned/egotistical. As far as bad guys among college football coaches, he doesn't even register. How you gonna root against an old man taking one more shot at redemption?

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9 minutes ago, Thermos H. Christ said:

Y'all still holding a grudge against Mack need to chill out. He was a net positive for this program, by a huge margin, beyond any doubt. Things went off the rails at the end there and pushing him out was the right and necessary thing to do, but he can't hurt you anymore. It's not like this is Art Briles or Joe Paterno we're talking about, his failings were fielding a mediocre football team and being thin-skinned/egotistical. As far as bad guys among college football coaches, he doesn't even register. How you gonna root against an old man taking one more shot at redemption?

Yeah, at some point, you come to the realization that every high level coach is an egotistical, thin-skinned, credit-whoring, prideful asshole to some extent.  Thus, clean, amicable partings are damn near impossible.  Mack Brown is definitely on the lower end of that scale.

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, at some point, you come to the realization that every high level coach is an egotistical, thin-skinned, credit-whoring prideful asshole to some extent.  Thus, clean, amicable partings are damn near impossible.  Mack Brown is definitely on the lower end of that scale.

Some of them win more than 2 conference championships in 16 years though

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Gotta admit, I haven't kept up with this thread even though I'm living in the UNC equivalent of West Campus. I haven't heard two words about football from locals, and I haven't seen any blue clock towers, either. Of course, the woods here are so thick and tall, the first time I noticed the stadium,  I was stunned, because I had walked past it five or six times prior without even noticing it was there.

Mack can appropriate all he likes from Austin, it won't matter. This is a basketball town, and not even a five year undefeated streak in football would change that.

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