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9 hours ago, MrBig said:

Mack is whining about NIL. He’s gonna fuck it up for us by pointing out that donations to the Texas One Fund are tax deductible while some other schools don’t have the same opportunities for their NIL collectives to be tax deductible. Mack is a petty bitch like that and I wouldn’t be surprised if he started pointing out how the way we do certain things is unfair to other schools. But he’ll act like a martyr doing this by saying he really cares about fairness for the kids. 

He's not going to fuck up anything. Chill.

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13 hours ago, Red Five said:

Of course Mack did great things here. The problem is that he put on a fucking masterclass on how to obliterate your legacy in his last four years here. And he took it to an almost comical level in the final weeks/days. There is a reason he's been gone this long and there is still nothing here with his name on it (that I know of), much less a statue. 

Did the same shit at North Carolina

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10 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

He gets way too much credit for the one national championship, when his contributions were 1) being talked into recruiting VY when he initially didn't want to, and 2) "letting Vince be Vince" aka not fucking it up. VY was the outlier. Mack got lazy in recruiting or the rest of the world caught up, and the wheels fell off. Then he torched the place on his way out the door. He wasn't a martyr for whom fans should feel sorry. He probably made over $30m while coaching and we paid him $3.25m when we fired him. We owe him nothing.

I wouldn't want Mack to do anything for UT in an official capacity. Didn't he just purchase a mansion on the Carolina coast? He should stay there and sabotage UNC's program.

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What the fuck are all of you going on about with Mack being in any official capacity involved with UT athletics? 

Mack is a media monster. This is a media play, which is why the interview was great and why him coming back is good. 

I don't give a shit about all the Mack hate, but some of you are acting like there's not money to be made and a complete void to be filled with Texas media that LHN left and Bobby and his team have somewhat filled. Mack isn't an idiot, he could ask anyone he wanted on a show and bullshit for an hour or 2 a day and focus on CFB centered around Texas and 200k+ daily listeners would tune in automatically. 

He's not invited to come do AMA on surly or to be a regular podcast guest or anything else, but to say that it's net negative to have a guy who's an eyeball and earhole magnet come back and home base in Austin is a completely naive and moronic take. 

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10 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Why not??  

Because fuck mack brown, I am not all of the sudden in the camp of he's an awesome guy and a huge fan. That doesn't mean I can't recognize when an interview was good.

I'm not trying to white knight but blaming mack for Charlie and Herman eras is fucking idiot

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20 minutes ago, immamac said:

What the fuck are all of you going on about with Mack being in any official capacity involved with UT athletics? 

Mack is a media monster. This is a media play, which is why the interview was great and why him coming back is good. 

I don't give a shit about all the Mack hate, but some of you are acting like there's not money to be made and a complete void to be filled with Texas media that LHN left and Bobby and his team have somewhat filled. Mack isn't an idiot, he could ask anyone he wanted on a show and bullshit for an hour or 2 a day and focus on CFB centered around Texas and 200k+ daily listeners would tune in automatically. 

He's not invited to come do AMA on surly or to be a regular podcast guest or anything else, but to say that it's net negative to have a guy who's an eyeball and earhole magnet come back and home base in Austin is a completely naive and moronic take. 

It’s not a net negative for someone trying to generate revenue with engagement, but most of us aren’t viewing it from that perspective. 

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Because fuck mack brown, I am not all of the sudden in the camp of he's an awesome guy and a huge fan. That doesn't mean I can't recognize when an interview was good.

I'm not trying to white knight but blaming mack for Charlie and Herman eras is fucking idiot

I won't comment on the interview because I didn’t and won't listen. However, he was a major/direct factor in preventing Saban from possibly coming to Texas and along with Dodds drove the program to the precipice of doom prior to finally getting run out of town. 

That's enough for me to want to keep him as far from anything Texas as possible.

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8 minutes ago, immamac said:

Because fuck mack brown, I am not all of the sudden in the camp of he's an awesome guy and a huge fan. That doesn't mean I can't recognize when an interview was good.

I'm not trying to white knight but blaming mack for Charlie and Herman eras is fucking idiot

Charlie once said Mack was his best friend in Austin 

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Just now, immamac said:

What other perspective is there? CDC isn't hiring mack fucking brown. 

The other perspective is that giving a guy a megaphone who we know to be completely focused on his own legacy to the detriment of the UT football program (see, his behavior at the time of his exit), is not good. The second things aren’t perfect in Sark’s program, you can count on Mack Brown to do everything in his power to twist the knife.

I’m fine with the one off interview. Bobby is good people and needs to make money. And I would be fine honoring Mack at half time next year (maybe with the entire 05 team) on the 20th anniversary. But anything that gives him a permanent microphone is a bad idea (again, from the program’s perspective, not a clicks perspective). 

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3 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

The other perspective is that giving a guy a megaphone who we know to be completely focused on his own legacy to the detriment of the UT football program (see, his behavior at the time of his exit), is not good. The second things aren’t perfect in Sark’s program, you can count on Mack Brown to do everything in his power to twist the knife.

I’m fine with the one off interview. Bobby is good people and needs to make money. And I would be fine honoring Mack at half time next year (maybe with the entire 05 team) on the 20th anniversary. But anything that gives him a permanent microphone is a bad idea (again, from the program’s perspective, not a clicks perspective). 

That's legitimately insane. 

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2 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

It’s not a net negative for someone trying to generate revenue with engagement, but most of us aren’t viewing it from that perspective. 

If Mack puts on a good public face and we all either are good friends genuinely or at least pretend in front of the kids we are good friends, it's a positive. Legacy and unity build and sustain programs.

"No matter what you do for us beforehand, we will shun you forever if you fuck up." vs. "If you win big, you're allowed some fuck-ups and shitty behavior and we'll still take put on a good show of welcoming you after a grace period of good behavior."

That's not just good for our public image (which matters), it's good for recruiting the best of the best to play and work here.

We can be petty bitches here, fine, but wanting the University to manifest that petty bitchiness is ridiculous.

2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

That's enough for me to want to keep him as far from anything Texas as possible.

There is nothing anyone can do to stop Mack Brown from (a) having a voice many will listen to and (b) staying closer to the program than basically anyone else not current working/playing for the program can. Those are set in stone. We can pout and bitch and relitigate 2010-2012 (which we all agree on) but neither (a) nor (b) are changing.

He's coming. CDC can't stop it. Sark can't stop it. No poster of any connection or influence can even be a mild speedbump to it.

If Uncle Mack is coming to Thanksgiving, you might as well set it up to be as successful as possible knowing how Uncle Mack acts and planning around it.

Will he publicly throw shade sometimes? Absolutely. Will the management of his perceived legacy and ego be primary in his mind? Absolutely. Does he have anything useful to add to the football operations side of things? Hell no. Should Sark spend more than 30 minutes a week in conversation with him? Hell no.

Blow a bunch of praise and cigar smoke up his ass, hand him a microphone, then put some shit that flatters him (his #1 concern) and the Texas program on the teleprompter and let him rip.

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34 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"If you win big, you're allowed some fuck-ups and shitty behavior and we'll still take put on a good show of welcoming you after a grace period of good behavior."

2 conference championships in 16 years isn't winning big

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48 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

The other perspective is that giving a guy a megaphone who we know to be completely focused on his own legacy to the detriment of the UT football program (see, his behavior at the time of his exit), is not good. The second things aren’t perfect in Sark’s program, you can count on Mack Brown to do everything in his power to twist the knife.

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I saw a small portion of one of his final pressers at UNC and he is a little bitch when he knows he is on the way out. I have also heard good things about the man during former player interviews. Glad we had him and wish we would have won more hardware during his time but I did thoroughly enjoy that NC he brought us.

Remember half the folks wanted Gary Barnett just imagine where we would have been with him at the helm.

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The only thing Mack should be doing is buying a big house that backs up to whichever golf course all his big money friends play, and sit outside all day on his back porch while they drive by and kiss the ring for a minute before playing on.  And grabbing a meal and holding court at the clubhouse whenever he felt like having an audience to regale.  
 

best for Texas, best for him. But that’s not how it’s going to be, is it?

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19 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

No breakup is ever clean, but only an idiot holds a grudge

Username and all.

There's a difference between holding a grudge and remembering, and acting on, lessons learned.

I sometimes feel bad for Mack and his lifetime battle against being less loved than his brother, even ignored, by his Mom and Dad. It's sad, really...

But it doesn't excuse his overall behavior.

And it sure as hell doesn't mean I - or any of us - should put aside what we've learned about him, and it doesn't mean we should forgive and/or forget. I don't, and I won't.

Fuck Mack Brown.

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2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Doubt he needs money though wealthy successful people often do not have an off switch.  
 

there is enough infrastructure in place to where Mack could have an ambassador type role and not interfere with Sark.  The caveat being I think CDC and Deloss are close.  Emissary Mack may be good for the program though I still think he’s a thin skinned jerk

David McWilliams is an example of what can be done but Mack Brown is the complete opposite of David McWilliams.  David McWilliams did not want or need to be celebrated.

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There is nothing anyone can do to stop Mack Brown from (a) having a voice many will listen to and (b) staying closer to the program than basically anyone else not current working/playing for the program can. Those are set in stone. We can pout and bitch and relitigate 2010-2012 (which we all agree on) but neither (a) nor (b) are changing.
He's coming. CDC can't stop it. Sark can't stop it. No poster of any connection or influence can even be a mild speedbump to it.
If Uncle Mack is coming to Thanksgiving, you might as well set it up to be as successful as possible knowing how Uncle Mack acts and planning around it.
Will he publicly throw shade sometimes? Absolutely. Will the management of his perceived legacy and ego be primary in his mind? Absolutely. Does he have anything useful to add to the football operations side of things? Hell no. Should Sark spend more than 30 minutes a week in conversation with him? Hell no.
Blow a bunch of praise and cigar smoke up his ass, hand him a microphone, then put some shit that flatters him (his #1 concern) and the Texas program on the teleprompter and let him rip.

Nothing good will come of this.

And I don’t get why the guy is a media monster. I’ve heard pretty much everything that’s come out of that guys mouth in the media since he was announced as coach in 1997. And it’s been pretty much non stop hollow coachspeak word salad.

Wait, nevermind, I guess I do understand why this guy is a media draw.

And I stand by my assertion that nothing good will come of this. Other than for Mack that is.
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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

If Mack puts on a good public face and we all either are good friends genuinely or at least pretend in front of the kids we are good friends, it's a positive. Legacy and unity build and sustain programs.

"No matter what you do for us beforehand, we will shun you forever if you fuck up." vs. "If you win big, you're allowed some fuck-ups and shitty behavior and we'll still take put on a good show of welcoming you after a grace period of good behavior."

That's not just good for our public image (which matters), it's good for recruiting the best of the best to play and work here.

We can be petty bitches here, fine, but wanting the University to manifest that petty bitchiness is ridiculous.

 

This is funny.  No potential coach or prospective recruit gives a shit about Mack Brown unless he says something stupid the media can parrot.  he is yesterdays news.  our public image is just fine without Mack Brown and that is what bothers him so much and why he wants to stick his nose back in.  UNC is a basketball school and they still smashed him in the face by hiring a guy the same age who may be the GOAT to take over. 

Maybe Sark can be the next DKR.  Mack is not.  You keep assuming Mack is going to play nice.  At what point in any of his history has this been the case?

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Just now, dcar00 said:

This is funny.  No potential coach or prospective recruit gives a shit about Mack Brown unless he says something stupid the media can parrot.  he is yesterdays news.  our public image is just fine without Mack Brown and that is what bothers him so much and why he wants to stick his nose back in.  UNC is a basketball school and they still smashed him in the face by hiring a guy the same age who may be the GOAT to take over. 

Maybe Sark can be the next DKR.  Mack is not.  You keep assuming Mack is going to play nice.  At what point in any of his history has this been the case?

 

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Just now, dcar00 said:

You keep assuming Mack is going to play nice.  At what point in any of his history has this been the case?

All this "he threatened to sue us so long we couldn't get Saban and he told some recruits to go somewhere else" or whatever shit is super-inside baseball to whatever extent it's even connected to reality. When he resigned, he didn't put out public statements about Texas being dogshit and evil, he said he resigned because his work wasn't up to the standard of Texas expectations. He was a little whiny about it, but overall he has been a good soldier in terms of being outwardly positive. Don't confuse our hyper-obsessive viewpoint onto it with how the broader CFB/sports world sees it.

Here's a very simple question: Is it good for Texas to have an NC-winning former coach on ESPN/YouTube/wherever talking about how awesome Texas is?

The answer is yes.

Since Mack is coming, whether we like it or not, we should actively engineer the best possible outcome to the extent that we can.

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5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

All this "he threatened to sue us so long we couldn't get Saban and he told some recruits to go somewhere else" or whatever shit is super-inside baseball to whatever extent it's even connected to reality. When he resigned, he didn't put out public statements about Texas being dogshit and evil, he said he resigned because his work wasn't up to the standard of Texas expectations. He was a little whiny about it, but overall he has been a good soldier in terms of being outwardly positive. Don't confuse our hyper-obsessive viewpoint onto it with how the broader CFB/sports world sees it.

Here's a very simple question: Is it good for Texas to have an NC-winning former coach on ESPN/YouTube/wherever talking about how awesome Texas is?

The answer is yes.

Since Mack is coming, whether we like it or not, we should actively engineer the best possible outcome to the extent that we can.

What does he provide that we don’t have?  Guy couldn’t even win the acc and he coached there for ten years.  

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So keep him as far away as possible. 

what is the farthest point from the University but still in Austin?  We should put him there and force him to come to the office in traffic every day.  none of this "work from home" bullshit.

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