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4 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

Keep Mack the fuck away from UT. He tried to burn program on way out the door due to his thin skinned narcissistic BS. 
Let him do some stupid emeritus crap at N Carolina. 

he can't do that there with GOAT but Tulane seems like a perfect spot.  in New Orleans and he can probably pick his title.  Maybe Head Coach/AD Super Mega Emeritus.

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Bringing Mack back into the program only seems like a good idea to me IF he becomes a money man. He's already made it clear that he doesn't like the players getting paid situation and why he wanted to get out of coaching. What is the benefit to the program if he's not going to help tackle the biggest issue facing the sport? I don't see it.

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NFL players are welcome to sign 1 year deals every year. They usually dont because it’s a cutthroat business with performance and injuries and they like the pseudo security of multi-year contracts, or at least the ability to pool guaranteed money together. 
 

but if they feel they are being paid too little, they also have no issues holding out and demanding a new contract despite the CBA and signed contract. 

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6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The structure needs to be for protecting players, not universities.

Yes.

The trouble is that the entire existing structure is the other way around, from the universities, to the coaches, to the agents, to the NCAA itself.

Just finished reading the fantastic book Hot Dog Money about Marty Blazer, the FBI's insider who helped take down Pitino (and would've taken down SO MANY more if the FBI agent in charge hadn't gone crazy with $13500 in government funds one weekend in Vegas).

Blazer really believed that NIL was going to make things worse for the kids, not better, in no small part because NIL was the NCAA's idea to begin with.

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2 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

Bringing Mack back into the program only seems like a good idea to me IF he becomes a money man. He's already made it clear that he doesn't like the players getting paid situation and why he wanted to get out of coaching. What is the benefit to the program if he's not going to help tackle the biggest issue facing the sport? I don't see it.

He's the type of coach the G5 schools need.  Someone who can shake hands, raise money and delegate to coordinators for most of the day to day.

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42 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Ultimately, the attitude we need to maintain vis-a-vis Mack is the same one that Saint Darrell had toward TCU. Coach Royal stated it most appropriately when he compared TCU to Cockroaches, and it's clearly apropos.

"The problem with Mack is the same you have with Cockroaches: it isn't what they carry away, it's what they fall into and fuck up."

With regard to including Mack into the Official Family of Texas Football... don't do it. Keep him at arm's length and make sure to have a method in place to hammer his ass if he strays off the script. I think the only reason he's coming here is that he managed to fuck up all of his welcomes in the last couple of years in Carolina

I don't like it. I don't like it at all. I want Mack to stay the fuck out of Texas Football, because it takes so little for him to go into Mack-in-Thujones'-corner, flinging shit in all directions. 

 

yep.  except I believe Mack can "carry away" shit when he starts to be a conduit to that fucker Kurt.  I can already see the meetings now with each guy offering to give the other a hand job.

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27 minutes ago, The Dude said:

theres no benefit here for UT. things are on track. too much potential for Mack poisoning the well at any perceived slight (based on past behavior). just enjoy your retirement in a casita on the golf course

he ain't backing off a bit, he already thinks he is going to "fix" college football.  There is only one coach that anyone respects and his name rhymes with Rick Dabin.  I bet easily 80% of college coaches would tell you on the down low they think Mack is fake as fuck.  

we don't need Mack Brown, having any relationship to Texas, trying to actively work against kids getting paid whatever they are worth.  Fuck him.  Water will find its own level and particularly for us we have one of the best boats.

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34 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I bet easily 80% of college coaches would tell you on the down low they think Mack is fake as fuck.  

 

And you can draw a direct line from this to us getting screwed in the coaches poll in the 2008 BCS rankings/conference championship game tiebreaker.

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Even if Mack is “theoretically” right about how it’s unfair not to have an NIL salary cap to create parity, why is he whining about it and making it an issue like he’s Jeff Traylor at UTSA who can’t compete? This is Texas.
Don’t fuck our shit up by using our own media outlets like OTF to whine about disparity when the current NIL playing field is clearly to our advantage right now. Go whine about NIL at some G5 school like a Karen and quit using Texas athletics as your soapbox to bitch about NIL to the media. Clearly Mack is on a crusade against NIL because he thinks it’s the reason he sucked ass at UNC and not because of his shitty coaching. Mack is only hurting us by bringing this issue into the spotlight using guys like OTF to give his voice a platform. 

If he were still at Texas, he wouldn’t be bitching. He knows that some type of cap or something like that will hinder Texas. But hey, he’s not gonna try to do anything to slow Sarks roll.
If he hates players getting paid so much there are over 1,000 high schools in Texas he could coach at.

Nah, you actually gotta know how to coach something in high school. I wouldn’t let him coach a 6 man team.
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I don’t know if I had a very strong opinion of Mack Brown being around Texas after his UNC firing until catching up to this batshit crazy thread, but now I do. 
I hope CDC hires him promptly for a big role. This site will burn all the fucking way to the ground and it certainly reads like there will also be a ton of public drama as Camp Mack and Camp Twelve Win Theven spar at epic levels. 

CTJ is Mack Brown?
Mack Brown is CTJ?

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10 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Coaches can move around any time in the NFL too while players are not allowed to move around freely. Comparing coach movement to player movement isn't fair.

NFL coaches have contracts, and if they attempt to move there is required compensation (e.g. Belichick with Jets, Gruden with Raiders, Payton with Saints). NFL players have contracts (yes they can hold out or demand trades, but the latest CBA stiffened penalties on holdouts, and the players will lose pay). NCAA coaches have contracts as well. None of these 3 groups are free to quit on their team midseason and go hunting for the highest bidder. The current state of NCAA player free agency could use revision (make direct pay or NIL as multi year contracts, bring back the rule of sitting out a year if you transfer, limiting players to one transfer per 4 years, or some other better plan). It’s hard to build cohesive and consistent programs with this level of annual roster turnover. And why is “college” football still associated with universities when student athlete is now a farce? This is probably not the point of your exchange. Apologies for the tangent. 

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On 12/29/2024 at 2:18 PM, Rimbo said:

The knee-jerk response to this is typically "Because Vince," and while Vince's heroics were a critical piece of it, there's more.

 

warning: detailed longcat commences; grab yer adderall and try to stay awake

 

The still oversimplified but much longer story is that he got lucky with some changes to his staff. (To be fair, he had some hires of his own that were good. Akina was a great hire; Tolleson was fantastic his entire tenure here. And... well. That's the lot.)

  1. Hiring Dick Tomey. I've been beating this drum ever since it happened, and honestly it basically happened on accident. Tomey changed the way Mack had done things for decades, including having starters go against starters in practice. And revamping his defensive staff in general was needed, because his initial hire was a gadget coach who made his name by stopping Spurrier's Florida teams. Mack had called Tomey up to see who he should hire to coach DE's, and Tomey told him "Hire me." He, SB-winning coach Greg Robinson, and (already on staff) Duane Akina then helped build some championship-winning defenses. Tomey was the only person who could tell Mack to do things differently.
  2. McWhorter coaching Nunez's recruits. When Mack started, he hired Tim Nunez as OL coach, who was a top-notch talent identifier/acquirer who couldn't develop that talent once they arrived; McWhorter could develop that talent once on the team, but was lazy and awful at identifying and acquiring said talent. The 2005 season featured a starting OL with Nunez's recruits and McWhorter's development. They were awesome and it was never as good before or since.

These things were more or less Mack catching lightning in a bottle, things that broke him out of his normal tendencies and finally got him that gold ring. But he himself didn't recognize how critical they were, and after Tomey left, he eventually went back to the ways he had done things before, as if to prove that he could do it his own way. And that might have worked in 2008 and 2009 if one thing had been different: If the OL recruiting had been as good under McWhorter as it had been under Nunez (again, with McWhorter's development). Without a good enough OL, poor Colt McCoy was destroyed in the Big XII title game (where we barely eked out a win) and completely ruined in Pasadena (which by itself probably led to the loss).

I mean... the fact that Mack thinks he should've given Garrett Gilbert more snaps, instead of, you know, maybe getting some badass bruisers on OL in the preceding years over Good Kids Who Graduate, just shows that he still has no idea how he did it in '05.

Mack couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag, but he did come up with two good ideas. First, he unified most of the factions at Texas. Second, he came up with the marketing strategy of Texas being a second “family” for urban athletes craving a family-like atmosphere. These days every program tries to pitch that, but back in the 90’s that positioning was pretty  effective for recruiting.

Mack is a politician with a lot of personal failings who will hurt Texas if it helps him. We should erect a wall at the city limits. 

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1 hour ago, Revolution512 said:

Mack’s early recruiting strategy helped sink the program. One year of watching Sark wait out lengthy recruitments would give the old fuck a heart attack.

Yes, particularly because he would not watch film on recruits late in his tenure. It pissed our assistants off. They knew better than the bullshit he was pulling, but he was just cashing paychecks and hung them out to dry. 

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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This is the average Texas fan with regards to Mack(not Surly standard)

If a generational talent like VY doesn't fall in his lap, Mack Brown would be viewed at worse than Ryan Day or that idiot at Penn State. I can't imagine that 2005 team without VY. USC would boat race that team. They would have been playing walk ons in the second half.

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18 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

If a generational talent like VY doesn't fall in his lap, Mack Brown would be viewed at worse than Ryan Day or that idiot at Penn State. I can't imagine that 2005 team without VY. USC would boat race that team. They would have been playing walk ons in the second half.

I was pondering that the other day- with no portal, what would Texas have done for a QB if VY hadn’t been signed (with skills and talents that forced change on the offensive scheme)? We had Chance Mock and Matt Nordgren. Would we have signed McNeal or McGee instead of the Ags? Someone else? I can’t see that team, built for a NC at every other position, doing better than 10-1 (sure as shit weren’t beating the Buckeyes) in the RS and 11-2 overall (if they made the BCS NCG, which would be iffy). In other words- a typical peak Mack Brown team. 
 
Well, we did sign VY, the 2004 attempt to move him to WR didn’t work, and we did get the NC. To hell with hypotheticals. 

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3 minutes ago, statsman said:

I was pondering that the other day- with no portal, what would Texas have done for a QB if VY hadn’t been signed (with skills and talents that forced change on the offensive scheme)? We had Chance Mock and Matt Nordgren. Would we have signed McNeal or McGee instead of the Ags? Someone else? I can’t see that team, built for a NC at every other position, doing better than 10-1 (sure as shit weren’t beating the Buckeyes) in the RS and 11-2 overall (if they made the BCS NCG, which would be iffy). In other words- a typical peak Mack Brown team. 
 
Well, we did sign VY, the 2004 attempt to move him to WR didn’t work, and we did get the NC. To hell with hypotheticals. 

IIRC, we went back to back classes signing zero QBs due to VY being on the roster. 

If VY had never signed we would have gotten a Chris Leak or Rhett Bomar, etc. Who knows from there.

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10 hours ago, Rimbo said:

https://watch.longhornnetwork.com/video/737044

I don't think Sark's comments @ 7:00 here were intended as a direct shot at Mack... but I can't say that they weren't,  either.

It was a shot to all of the whiners out there, and Mack is one of them.

Mack is the carburetor salesman in the days of fuel injection; a buggy whip salesman in the early days of of the automobile.  Adapt or die.

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23 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Yes, particularly because he would not watch film on recruits late in his tenure. It pissed our assistants off. They knew better than the bullshit he was pulling, but he was just cashing paychecks and hung them out to dry. 

Kept coordinators as emergency buttons.  When the heat was on he had no problem dumping them or blaming them.  

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22 hours ago, Red Five said:

IIRC, we went back to back classes signing zero QBs due to VY being on the roster. 

If VY had never signed we would have gotten a Chris Leak or Rhett Bomar, etc. Who knows from there.

Bomar was never coming here.  I think his pops loved stoops.  Kyle wright was one that didn’t come because of Vince I think

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