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[squeegeedegg 724]

1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Their infrastructure is crumbling and shit. They are running the same playbook as the USSR and they will end up on the ash heap of history like every other authoritarian regime ever. They can’t compete with the west and people that are free and innovative.  These are all facts. 

In what way are they running the same playbook as the USSR?

[TwiceHorn 32,020]

3 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

 

This is literally a video game. People can be so stupid (not you, the moron posting fake shit). 

Haha, fuck.  I had seen the missile version of that video but didn't recognize this one as being the same.

[InkaUtexas 26,833]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, @FartingMonk, it appears there is a lil sumn sumn in-theater.

Deleted that after seeing what it really was. Sorry.

[ztejas 44,114]

46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

As in, I think France alone might take them, and easily.

Let's not get carried away here.

 

 

(jk of course - France is pretty stout. On paper)

[squeegeedegg 724]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, @FartingMonk, it appears there is a lil sumn sumn in-theater.

Video game, come on

[F250 29,182]

3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

The difference in pure numbers is massive and China has a better economy in this era, but I would expect China’s technology and competency is even worse than Russia.  Putting nukes aside, I think China is a more formidable threat than Russia, but still clearly inferior to the US military.  

I am certainly not an expert or even particularly informed on the matter, so I am not saying it with certainty.  But I think we see enough of China in other contexts to see that they’re still a repressive communist country - with all of the negatives that accompany that - and that they’re still pretty shoddy when it comes to things that require real sophistication.  What is your opinion?

Being a repressive nation has nothing to do with military might. History has demonstrated that.

Technology and wealth does and the Chinese are quickly catching up with the United States. They have lapped the Russians multiple times at this point which is why it is laughable to equate the two.

 

[Dahobbs 18,210]

Just now, Wulaw Horn said:

Their infrastructure is crumbling and shit. They are running the same playbook as the USSR and they will end up on the ash heap of history like every other authoritarian regime ever. They can’t compete with the west and people that are free and innovative.  These are all facts. 

I'm sorry. They aren't. China has a powerful economy, something neither Russia not the USSR could ever boast. And it's infrastructure is rapidly modernizing. I mean, fuck, China has literally been building massive, modern cities practically overnight. The government sucks. It is repressive. It is authoritarian. But, despite calling itself communist, the country and mentality of the people are really hyper capitalisit. You're severely underestimating China. 

 

[InkaUtexas 26,833]

1 minute ago, squeegeedegg said:

Video game, come on

I apologized and deleted. I don't play any games so got me and original posting was a usually good source 

Sorry again. 

[F250 29,182]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Their infrastructure is crumbling and shit. They are running the same playbook as the USSR and they will end up on the ash heap of history like every other authoritarian regime ever. They can’t compete with the west and people that are free and innovative.  These are all facts. 

These are not facts. You just rambled a bunch of slogans.

 

[Dahobbs 18,210]

Some booms heard on the Kiev live feed. 

[Wulaw Horn 19,563]

5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

The difference in pure numbers is massive and China has a better economy in this era, but I would expect China’s technology and competency is even worse than Russia.  Putting nukes aside, I think China is a more formidable threat than Russia, but still clearly inferior to the US military.  

I am certainly not an expert or even particularly informed on the matter, so I am not saying it with certainty.  But I think we see enough of China in other contexts to see that they’re still a repressive communist country - with all of the negatives that accompany that - and that they’re still pretty shoddy when it comes to things that require real sophistication.  What is your opinion?

Quantity has a quality of its own, as the saying goes. Beyond that yes, this is the point I’m making. They don’t have a blue water navy to project power around the world like we do. 
They don’t have the sophistication of weapon systems that we do. 
they don’t have the training that we do. 
they don’t have the professionalism that we do. 
they don’t have the innovation or ability to act independently of central command line we do. 
they don’t have the professional spirit and backbone of the professional soldier class that we do. 
They’ve been spending a lot of money lately on their military, but they are at behind the game on all of this. 
I’m not even convinced they could get across the straits to really project power and take over Taiwan, if given a completely free hand and ignored completely by us. If we deem its not something we want to happen they have no chance at all. 
everything you said about their craftsmanship, tech and competency is dead bang on. 

[staboner 5,069]

yeah bout to post the same. booms on the audio

[troph 25,101]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They don't have a large enough force to take all of Ukraine, and damn sure not in a week.  

At most they have 50,000 - 60,000 actual infantry, and that's being generous.  It would take a big chunk of those to take Kyiv completely, and that's before all of the other large cities.

I'm still leaning towards them taking Kyiv, going down the river, trying to install a puppet government, and just holding everything east of the river and going for negotiations.

and some of that is dicey too especially if Ukraine can keep Kyiv for a 3-4 more days inflicting similar damage to Russian forces each day.

[atomheartbevo 90,581]

Russian tanks driving down a road (if it was me, I'd have a Big Fucking Z painted on like some of the tanks do so Russian CAS doesn't miss seeing the Z.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/t08wur/russian_tanks_in_the_ukrainian_city_of_kherson/

If you want to see dead Russians/tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/t09eub/destroyed_russian_tanks_across_kharkiv_city_nsfw/

Some are trying to come up with protection on top from St. Javelin

 

[ztejas 44,114]

3 minutes ago, F250 said:

Being a repressive nation has nothing to do with military might. History has demonstrated that.

Technology and wealth does and the Chinese are quickly catching up with the United States. They have lapped the Russians multiple times at this point which is why it is laughable to equate the two.

 

I think the real worry with China is that they potentially have capabilities we aren't yet aware of. At least - that the public isn't aware of. Especially when it comes to cyber warfare. 

I mean - for all we know - China could shut down the US power grid tomorrow if they wanted. Maybe that street goes both ways. I'm not sure it's very clear what the US or China could technically do from behind keyboards if push came to shove. 

Not to derail the thread. 

[TwiceHorn 32,020]

8 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Whoa.  Fucking awesome.  Wonder who gave them a CWIS 

It's a fucking video game.  I do seem to recall we were emplacing them in Poland or somewhere in the not-too-distant past.

[FartingMonk 3,612]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm sorry. They aren't. China has a powerful economy, something neither Russia not the USSR could ever boast. And it's infrastructure is rapidly modernizing. I mean, fuck, China has literally been building massive, modern cities practically overnight. The government sucks. It is repressive. It is authoritarian. But, despite calling itself communist, the country and mentality of the people are really hyper capitalisit. You're severely underestimating China. 

 

Spent 10 years studying them.  Their tech is catching up.  They lack training but are getting better every day.  They are leaps and bounds ahead than what they were 10-15 years ago military wise.  My sea puppy who is now the lead engineer on a boomer did shore duty at comsubpac and was on the Chinese team and he said holy fuck.  We have under estimated their capabilities and it may bite us in the ass.  He said the hubris that we are showing was a lot like the Japanese during world war 2 where we thought we were so smart that they could never figure us out.  Basically your ass is showing

[utee94 16,075]

Can you all please take the argument about China to some other thread?  You're ruining this one.

[Dahobbs 18,210]

Lights going off in Kiev. Not clear if this is a power issue or if they are turning off because it is basically morning. 

[dhornf 52]

This has been one of the best threads to follow.  Keep fighting Ukraine.  Fuck the rooskies. 

[Wulaw Horn 19,563]

9 minutes ago, squeegeedegg said:

In what way are they running the same playbook as the USSR?

Post 4904. 

[MillerEP 30,846]

 

Grain of salt, but awesome if true

[TwiceHorn 32,020]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Russian tanks driving down a road (if it was me, I'd have a Big Fucking Z painted on like some of the tanks do so Russian CAS doesn't miss seeing the Z.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/t08wur/russian_tanks_in_the_ukrainian_city_of_kherson/

If you want to see dead Russians/tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/t09eub/destroyed_russian_tanks_across_kharkiv_city_nsfw/

Some are trying to come up with protection on top from St. Javelin

 

That is one janky looking tank, apart from the shit on top.

[troph 25,101]

need to know more about the march on Kyiv dammit.  that's the lynch pin they need to hold it a few more days at least!

[Wulaw Horn 19,563]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

Can you all please take the argument about China to some other thread?  You're ruining this one.

Yes. Sorry. There has been talk about China and Taiwan all throughout this thread at points in time but with the real deal happening in the Ukraine right now my apologies- I will disengage. 

[DDD Dad 14,595]

50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Me too. But without that, the best way to get attention back home is to start sending back lots of coffins.
Hey Russians, is this worth your blood?

No coffins going back. Crematory trucks out front shoulda told ya. 

[InkaUtexas 26,833]

Ummmm. Ya think? 

 

[SimonBolivar 11,048]

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According to the General Staff of the Ukrainian Army, Russian tanks are moving toward #Kyiv, but they are currently involved in fightings near #Ivankov (halfway from the border to Kyiv) 

 

[F250 29,182]

Just now, ztejas said:

I think the real worry with China is that they potentially have capabilities we aren't yet aware of. At least - that the public isn't aware of. Especially when it comes to cyber warfare. 

I mean - for all we know - China could shut down the US power grid tomorrow if they wanted. Maybe that street goes both ways. I'm not sure it's very clear what the US or China could technically do from behind keyboards if push came to shove. 

Not to derail the thread. 

China wins in that realm. I consulted on Critical infrastructure (primarily grid) cybersecurity for a few years and it was common to find the Chinese burrowed in "air gapped" systems.

Due to the nature of an authoritarian country China can issue Top Down security controls to counter cyber attacks. The U.S. is driven by profit so cybersecurity is seen as an expense so often the bare minimum is done for budget reasons by companies. Shit, often companies will take compliance hits because it's cheaper than investing in security.

 

[Dahobbs 18,210]

More Kiev booms heard on live feed. Also, a disturbing number of birds that sound very creepy. 

[InkaUtexas 26,833]

Canada standing up their sanctions. They are taking a hit. 

 

[pops 7,127]

Fuck it. Just push the button and light up Beijing and Moscow from a mountain in Colorado. Everyone sucks,  anyway. Maybe whatever survives can do better than we did. 

[crash_davis 23,465]

 

[JerrysJheriCurl 977]

8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I apologized and deleted. I don't play any games so got me and original posting was a usually good source 

Sorry again. 

There is a lot of disinformation and fabricated videos out there right now, so no hay problema.

It can happen to anyone. Someone upthread asked about a Daily Mail Putin video translation of speech to the oligarchs. 
Mongo just a pawn in the game of life, but didn’t pass my smell test. And I had never heard that speech mentioned in the last 24. 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2,692]

Fuck it. Just push the button and light up Beijing and Moscow from a mountain in Colorado. Everyone sucks,  anyway. Maybe whatever survives can do better than we did. 

We'll make great pets!

Edited February 25, 2022 by ChuckNorrisActionJeans

[ztejas 44,114]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

 

Man Battlefield gonna sell a ton of copies this week.

[F250 29,182]

2 minutes ago, pops said:

Fuck it. Just push the button and light up Beijing and Moscow from a mountain in Colorado. Everyone sucks,  anyway. Maybe whatever survives can do better than we did. 

Just go bang your neighbor.

 

[The Ace of Aces 5,371]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

 

Jesus Christ THIS IS FAKE 

[utee94 16,075]

Looks 'shopped.

[BillyGoatHill 4,420]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Ummmm. Ya think? 

 

US Gubment at it's best....

[squeegeedegg 724]

2 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

Who left the A-10 hangars unlocked??

[Skipper 6,407]

Over/Under on the amount of times that video game gets posted on this thread over the next 24 hours?  I'll set at 9

[FartingMonk 3,612]

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

China wins in that realm. I consulted on Critical infrastructure (primarily grid) cybersecurity for a few years and it was common to find the Chinese burrowed in "air gapped" systems.

Due to the nature of an authoritarian country China can issue Top Down security controls to counter cyber attacks. The U.S. is driven by profit so cybersecurity is seen as an expense so often the bare minimum is done for budget reasons by companies. Shit, often companies will take compliance hits because it's cheaper than investing in security.

 

I had this discussion with a friend the other night.  Divisions that operate at a loss gets whacked all the time.  The IT and cyber security department is led by a nerd who can't get his words out so when he's trying to justify his budget it comes off as arrogant and standoffish so he gets the bare minimum and the boss always has the mindset it won't happen to us.  And when it does they blame the IT department.

[MillerEP 30,846]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Man Battlefield gonna sell a ton of copies this week.

You mean Arma ;D

[InkaUtexas 26,833]

I already apologized. 

[TwiceHorn 32,020]

3 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Jesus Christ THIS IS FAKE 

One of the keys is, I don't think there are tracer rounds in a CIWS.   Each round is too critical to be wasting em on tracers.  4500 r/m.

That said, that particular segment is more realistic looking than the other two that have been posted.

Edited February 25, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[F250 29,182]

3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

That's the aviation version of Bijan Robinson.

 

[atomheartbevo 90,581]

15 minutes ago, troph said:

need to know more about the march on Kyiv dammit.  that's the lynch pin they need to hold it a few more days at least!

Doesn't seem to be progressing all that fast. Kyiv should have been in artillery range, and they should have been intent on reducing it to rubble.

On a side note, been reading some private FB groups I'm in, some other social media stuff, and this is being talked about - There are videos of captured Russian soldiers and they are obviously stunned (most are young), and some of them have said they weren't there to kill anybody, and that they thought they'd be welcomed.

Some of the former armor guys are saying that they see videos of Russian tanks/BTRs/vehicles with troops standing around and not acting like they are in danger.  They've also noted that more than a few of the destroyed Russian tanks/BTRs were not deployed into a defensive position, and their turrets were still pointed forward as if they were just driving down a road.

Anyways, they are thinking that a lot of the Russian troops were (surprise!) told that they'd be welcomed and not in much danger, and that is kind of jiving with some of the interviews with captured soldiers.

Edited February 25, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 90,581]

8 minutes ago, pops said:

Fuck it. Just push the button and light up Beijing and Moscow from a mountain in Colorado. Everyone sucks,  anyway. Maybe whatever survives can do better than we did. 

[FartingMonk 3,612]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One of the keys is, I don't think there are tracer rounds in a CIWS.  

No.  That is really fucking realistic to exactly what it looks and sounds like