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[The Dog 44,066]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

I think all this discussion around "talks" are to buy time for Putin and his army to regroup and help their dire logistical issues that have been illuminated. 

it also gives NATO time to roll in more advanced weaponry for the Ukranians. 

[BachelorTrek 3,050]

10 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

I'd like to think that they'll make some Putin Punch, Stalin Sours, Medvedev Martinis, Chernenko Cosmos and Bloody Brezhnevs too.

You forgot Khrushchev Kukolds.  Lulz.

[BabaYaga 15,302]

Just now, The Dog said:

it also gives NATO time to roll in more advanced weaponry for the Ukranians. 

And it gives Putin an "out" to publicly state he'll unleash massive ordinance, say the Uke's agreed, and leave without losing face.  

[GabrielsHorn 2,186]

 

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

There are absolutely American and British volunteers there. They’ve been there for years and are actual volunteers.  So,e have been hooked up with the unsavory elements of the Ukrainian national guard, but no one is going to complain at the moment. 

This is true.  And those motherfuckes and mercs are the real deal. Lots of good training and leadership guys. Some of those guys are also the type of guys who dress up and walk around the worst parts of Chicago hoping to get mugged so they can kill somebody with their hands.

[956 Worldwide 34,728]

1 minute ago, FartingMonk said:

Sorry meant to say years.  They embed a lot.  Months in Ukraine.  A NATO member fighting no matter what country is still a NATO member though right?  

Let’s just say the international optics will be a lot better if the NATO personnel are anything but American or British.

[The Dog 44,066]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

And it gives Putin an "out" to publicly state he'll unleash massive ordinance, say the Uke's agreed, and leave without losing face.  

Yup agree with this, too. But I don't Mad Vlad is thinking like that. 

[SimonBolivar 10,958]

1 minute ago, GabrielsHorn said:

 

Maybe Afghanistan will invade Russia

[USNALonghorn 5,078]

2 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:

 

[956 Worldwide 34,728]

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep

You don't start the game with the B/C-teamers.  You bring them off the bench once the game is in hand.  More =/= better

I think all this discussion around "talks" are to buy time for Putin and his army to regroup and help their dire logistical issues that have been illuminated.  Looked good on paper at the onset, but when the Ukes didn't just roll over and the initial plan went tits up (as they usually do), they were spread too thin.  We talk about "tens upon tens of thousands" in the field, but forget most of those are support elements.  The actual number of soldiers in those numbers is much, much less.  

Zelenskyy has to say he wants talks, but yeah— anyone getting optimistic about the Russians being real has their head buried in the sand. People were having meaningful talks with Putin every fucking day while every OSINT nerd on Twitter warned “you don’t need this shit if you’re just bluffing.”

[Hefeweizen 5,328]

I wish a mother fucking Taliban would try some shit with Vlad.  That’s like aggy on OU violence!

[956 Worldwide 34,728]

4 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:

 

Waiting for Boko Haram to call for restraint on all sides and the Zetas to condemn human rights abuses. 

[ABSR 5,319]

14 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This seems to tie in nicely

 

Military planners talk about a Tooth-to-tail radio, meaning how many support personnel are required to keep one front line fighter in the field.  Tail or support are supply, intel, logistics, cooks, communications, military police, mechanics etc.    These support personnel are soldiers too, but their primary role is not to be in combat, so if they are engaged in significant fighting then that is usually a problem and not good for that force.

So if we say 50k front line combat troops are deployed they could need 3-5 (numbers can vary) support personnel to keep them supported and combat ready.   So with 50k of deployed combat troops and 200k - 250k of total forces deployed (estimate), there is no great reserve force waiting to swoop in.

[Brothahorn 10,087]

 
 

[Nicole44 22,067]

Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Zelenskyy has to say he wants talks, but yeah— anyone getting optimistic about the Russians being real has their head buried in the sand. People were having meaningful talks with Putin every fucking day while every OSINT nerd on Twitter warned “you don’t need this shit if you’re just bluffing.”

Exactly. Putin has shown us what/who he is. Believe him. Fucking POS that he is. I am hoping for a damn miracle at this point. #IstandwithUkraine and all that. 

[phdhorn 6,224]

Just heard on TV that major Russian storming of Kyiv is expected within hours(?).

[Nicole44 22,067]

2 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

I wish a mother fucking Taliban would try some shit with Vlad.  That’s like aggy on OU violence!

Pretty damn much. Hang in there Zelenskyy!!!! Damn tonite is going to be rough. I wish I could pick up a weapon and help. I would honestly. This sucks! 

[TXSG8R 3,362]

1 minute ago, ABSR said:

Military planners talk about a Tooth-to-tail radio, meaning how many support personnel are required to keep one front line fighter in the field.  Tail or support are supply, intel, logistics, cooks, communications, military police, mechanics etc.    These support personnel are soldiers too, but their primary role is not to be in combat, so if they are engaged in significant fighting then that is usually a problem and not good for that force.

So if we say 50k front line combat troops are deployed they could need 3-5 (numbers can vary) support personnel to keep them supported and combat ready.   So with 50k of deployed combat troops and 200k - 250k of total forces deployed (estimate), there is no great reserve force waiting to swoop in.

Yep, and the log train is the soft underbelly of any army. That’s who Ukraine needs to target.  Ignore the tanks, go after the supply trucks.  Tanks can’t run without gas, troops can’t run without food and bullets. That’s how you beat an army. 

[SimonBolivar 10,958]

1 minute ago, phdhorn said:

Just heard on TV that major Russian storming of Kyiv is expected within hours(?).

That's what Ukraine's president is saying.  

[Loch Ness Monster 3,533]

I expect Kiev to fall within a couple days but I hope I'm wrong.

[Nicole44 22,067]

1 minute ago, phdhorn said:

Just heard on TV that major Russian storming of Kyiv is expected within hours(?).

Yeah! Zelenskyy was on tv not too long ago. Maybe 30 minutes or less. 

 

[BillyGoatHill 4,312]

10 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Maybe Afghanistan will invade Russia

They could. They have a lot of good equipment.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

21 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Good times create weak men. 
Weak men creates hard times. 
Hard times create hard men. 
Hard men crash Nicole’s inbox. 

Damn leave for a few hours and evidently miss Nicole thirst traps. 

[Gap03 3,308]

5 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

How 'bout you take your clever memes over to CR?

[GabrielsHorn 2,186]

UK’s update for the day:

also, I’m not a strategist at all, but trying to take a fortified city with both military and armed civilians during the day seems to be a disastrous strategy, right?

[Guest Lobo]

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Waiting for Boko Haram to call for restraint on all sides and the Zetas to condemn human rights abuses. 

Pos rep.  

Perhaps we could get Charles Manson to serve as moderator of the talks.  

[TwiceHorn 31,509]

2 hours ago, USNALonghorn said:

An ice pick.

Ice axe, imo.  Good enough for Lenin (who was probably the best commie).

[Hefeweizen 5,328]

This is the kind of meme I can get with.  I am not sure whether this or Fuck You Russian Ship is my favorite.

 

Ukraine is rapidly rising as a metal country in my estimation.  I always knew Poland and the Baltics were badass but this is a revelation.

[Dahobbs 17,625]

1 minute ago, GabrielsHorn said:

UK’s update for the day:

also, I’m not a strategist at all, but trying to take a fortified city with both military and armed civilians during the day seems to be a disastrous strategy, right?

Trying to take it at night without any night vision equipment seems even more disastrous. 

[BachelorTrek 3,050]

14 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

This is why part of me thinks except for a few areas, like airports, he is using his conscripts to push fast and die. They can shoot and drive their equipment, but are not the professional core of his army.  The rear groups could be a bit tougher. I have not seen any new graphics on what Russian Units are involved except for their Naval Infantry and some airborne. This is what they did in Grozny. Did not work well that time either, but eventually they were able to get accords and place Putin's buddy in place. 

Not-so-strange you should mention the Chechens.

Rumors online are that once the ruskies take over, a size-unknown army of Chechens will be the Ukraine occupation/subjugation/repression force, and Ukraine will be further subdivided, too.

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

5 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Oh great, the French will lead the military assault. What time is the unconditional European surrender scheduled?

I know a lot of people (not you) will make this comment sarcastically, in the belief that it's true, but for those of us paying attention, France hung in with us in Afghanistan longer than a lot of countries, and France has been hunting ISIS and its partners/subsets in Africa - they just recently pulled out of Mali after 9 years (and not because they were defeated, but because Mali asked them to).  

France would easily kick the shit out of Germany at this point, and not just because they have nukes or an aircraft carrier - they've been quietly doing what they needed to do to be a global player.

[JerrysJheriCurl 977]

It has been stated and requested a few times already many pages ago.

There have been flashes on here today.
If someone feels the urge to post CR miedra, do us all a favor and don’t. 
No one here wants to see it. 
Take a few seconds and kindly make those statements in the appropriate area.

This thread has been moving along for quite some time, without that unnecessary and unproductive input. 

TLDR: Anyone that posts CR miedra needs to kick rocks and GTFO of this thread. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by JerrysJheriCurl

[Brisketexan 105,161]

8 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

He's going to take Kyiv. It's just a matter of how many die on either side to do it. He's crossed the Rubicon. 

Correct.  The numbers are overwhelming.  Eventually, they'll win.  But the question is the cost, and how  they look doing it.

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We joke about this stuff, but it has an actual impact on the local economies which the local citizens cannot ignore and it pisses them off (and Putin can't cover up from the locals), but in the broader picture if massive sporting events, Formula 1, Eurovision, etc. are getting pulled or Russians barred from them, it is something that Putin also can't cover up from the typical Russian citizen - this stuff is planned out years in advance in some cases, and everybody is aware of it.

In other words: A lot of Russians who maybe aren't paying much attention to Ukraine or don't have much of an awareness of it, are all of the sudden going to be wondering why these high-profile events are getting yanked from Russia.

This is also accurate.  Russians have actually gotten somewhat used to being integrated into the world.  Being booted from it will be jarring to some.

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

5 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

 

This absolutely blows my mind.   Those guys are bunching up like nobody's business, and just asking to have a couple of offerings from St. Javelin completely block them in.  There are airsoft/paintball players here in the US who look like Rangers next to those Russians.

[Message Board User 12,395]

 

[Brothahorn 10,087]

How 'bout you take your clever memes over to CR?

How about you take your finger out of your ass? If you can't understand the significance of Ukraine arming their citizens to fight. And how that relates, fuck off. Nothing political about that.

[JesusSweatDuck 17,784]

Just catching up, and again this thread delivers.  Most of the people I talk with regularly have no idea of what's actually going on.  Thanks to everyone for contributing, even @Nicole44and her lack of nekid pics

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

 

 

It’s so obvious…it’s genius!!

[miguelito 11,266]

Guys, Nicole said she was a Lebanese.  She's not interested in dudes. 

[InkaUtexas 26,007]

4 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

Not-so-strange you should mention the Chechens.

Rumors online are that once the ruskies take over, a size-unknown army of Chechens will be the Ukraine occupation/subjugation/repression force, and Ukraine will be further subdivided, too.

Yep, bring in people with no cultural ties, pay them, and unleash. Would be nasty. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31794742

From May 2020.

Ramzan Kadyrov: Putin's key Chechen ally

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov is one of the most powerful and most feared men in Russia. 

For more than a decade the Kremlin has relied on him to maintain order in Chechnya - the Russian North Caucasus republic he has ruled like a personal fiefdom. 

Human rights groups have accused him of a string of abuses, including the forced disappearance of opponents, torture and the persecution of homosexuals.

Critics have linked Ramzan Kadyrov to several assassinations, some of them in Europe, but he denies involvement.

In 2015 he praised a Chechen security officer charged over the Moscow killing of Boris Nemtsov, who had been one of President Vladimir Putin's most prominent critics.

 

[SimonBolivar 10,958]

Doesn't mean much, but still nice to see them alone.

[52-80 19,189]

5 minutes ago, JerrysJheriCurl said:

It has been stated and requested a few times already many pages ago.

There have been flashes on here today.
If someone feels the urge to post CR miedra, do us all a favor and don’t. 
No one here wants to see it. 
Take a few seconds and kindly make those statements in the appropriate area.

This thread has been moving along for quite some time, without that unnecessary and unproductive input. 

TLDR: Anyone that posts CR miedra needs to kick rocks and GTFO of this thread. 

Before you declare this ultimatum you better first explain what miedra means

[Message Board User 12,395]

The UN proving it is, and always has been, a joke.  We should withdraw from that corrupt organization as long as Russia and China remain.

 

[FartingMonk 3,608]

Russian Foreign minister was just shown in TV asking Ukranians to turn on the government.  He said something that really caught my attention.  He said "These past two days we have not attacked any civilian or military targets that houses you.  We do not wish harm on you.  That's why your deaths are so low.". 

Now I wonder if that is an excuse for his ineptitude that is happening or is he serious and we have seriously underestimated Putin.  

Whatever it is.  Today's tone has been dramatically different than yesterday.  We are pushing harder with our military talk.  Ukrainians while defiant are beginning to see the tough road ahead and Russia has turned it to MAX on rhetoric with NATO especially the US but has softened their tone against Ukraine.

[ABSR 5,319]

5 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

I expect Kiev to fall within a couple days but I hope I'm wrong.

But while symbolic, Kyiv falling doesn’t mean that much.   The Russians can put 20k of skilled soldiers with armor and air superiority into the battle.  But how does that many men  “ hold” a city of 3 Million?   And, while they are traveling through other areas and cities to get there, once they leave to go to Kyiv, unless they leave thousands of troops behind they don’t control that territory anymore.  And they don’t have men to leave behind.

If we think of Ukraine as the size of Texas with 43M people, imagine trying to take and then hold Texas with 50k combat troops and 150k support troops.   You could take Austin or DFW, but how can you hold it, manage your supplies, all the while taking casualties and having a population sniping at you around every corner.

So taking it can be done at a cost, but then keeping it is even harder, or you pull out and give it back to go to a new objective.

[phdhorn 6,224]

Just now, Message Board User said:

The UN proving it is, and always has been, a joke.  We should withdraw from that corrupt organization as long as Russia and China remain.

 

Agreed, and please people, NATO is nothing like, and not in any way related to, the UN.

[pops 7,005]

10 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Undefeated

[KYHorn 17,094]

 

 

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

10 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

There is only one thing in all of history that is undefeated

[Dahobbs 17,625]

10 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Seems like the epitome of fuck around and find out. 

6 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

The UN proving it is, and always has been, a joke.  We should withdraw from that corrupt organization as long as Russia and China remain.

 

This is terrible this idea. You don't cede power because someone else also has some. That's a great way to just give China and Russia more influence, not less.