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[TurkeyChew 383]

1 minute ago, Parliament said:

Betty Boo, nice gams.

That said, they should be careful with this kinda thing.  I'm sure it breaks some Geneva Comvention rules.

How so?

[Dahobbs 17678]

1 minute ago, 4th_and_18 said:

How does this work without giving out a bunch of starlink hotspots/antennas?

That's why he said terminals are in route. That's what they'd need. 

[USNALonghorn 5078]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

SIAP not going to scroll 152 pages:

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

9 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yep.  As clearly evidenced by the German's top spy of all people being stuck in Ukraine when it kicked off.   If that's not telling of German intelligence I don't know what is.

While yours is a fair point, I would still bet my money that there was some sort of important dealings concerning the conflict that required him to stay as late as he could. 

I don’t know terribly much about German intelligence, however, I do know Germans and for them to say that their top spy just wasn’t watching the news for three solid days is most definitely bullshit

[Buzzrock 14937]

3 minutes ago, 4th_and_18 said:

How does this work without giving out a bunch of starlink hotspots/antennas?

I assume that’s what a terminal is. 

[dcar00 14351]

1 minute ago, BearSchlong said:

Bash the corps of cadets all you want, but my Aggie corps grad is now, I believe with 99.9% certainty, commanding a platoon of combat medics dispensing medical and humanitarian aid at the Poland/Ukraine border.

If true I'm the proudest dad on Earth.

If the red herring explanation for his abrupt departure from CONUS earlier this week is true the the US Army is stupid.

he could have done that without going to aggie......jk.  well done and godspeed to your son.

what is CONUS?

[cactusflinthead 27601]

 

[Homercles 10206]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

yes they were but Ukraine had them.  otherwise why would there need to be an agreement to give them up.

If their nukes are anything like ours, particularly those deployed to other nations…they were (or should be) practically useless without the codes.  Probably not as sophisticated as our modern PAL devices, but there had to be some kind of control.  
 

Sure you could hack into it and cut it open, and you’d have uranium/plutonium for a dirty bomb…but the precise voltages, timing, and sequence needed to actually detonate it at yield is forever lost.  Our lates PALs (when the code isn’t 000000) will safe the device if you enter in the wrong code too many times or if it detects entry past the exclusion zone, or if a weak link is broken…hell many won’t arm, even with the right code, unless a certain sequence of environmental factors (like sustained g on an ICBM or free fall from a jet) is met.  
 

So hopefully, yeah they weren’t really usable by Ukraine at all.  

[Dahobbs 17678]

1 minute ago, Buzzrock said:

I assume that’s what a terminal is. 

Correct. 

[Goredho 17417]

Drinking and took a gummy early.  Watching war pr0n of burning Russian men and material.  Reading of the international response against Russia with a big, shit-eating grin.

After some years of growing darkness in the world, it’s damn nice to see good people uniting to say firmly “No.  Enough is enough.”

Here’s to the Ukraine, it’s people’s heroic resolve, and their righteous fight for their country.  I hope they can hold out forever and be a napalm tar baby stuck firmly to Putin’s cock.  Fuck all current and future despots!  You have no place in this world.

 

[FartingMonk 3608]

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

Bingo, you think we couldn't figure out how to hook them up or just let them store them as a deterrent? Either way I'm not sure anyone wanted them to have them but the fact remains that they did indeed have them and we had to negotiate them out of their possession.

Ha.  If you think Ukraine had to be talked out of it then you've got it all wrong.  Ukraine didn't want the nukes.  Russia didn't want the nukes.  Maintaining a nuclear weapon is incredibly expensive and Ukraine didn't have the money to maintain it.  Provide security for it.  The retrofit of it would have been insanely expensive.  It would have been in a very bad shape so when the US said they would buy it and gave an assurance for security they happily agreed.  Now were they hoodwinked because they thought assurance and guarantee meant the same thing?  Probably.  

 

[GabrielsHorn 2186]

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by GabrielsHorn

[Skipper 6196]

3 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

While yours is a fair point, I would still bet my money that there was some sort of important dealings concerning the conflict that required him to stay as late as he could. 

I don’t know terribly much about German intelligence, however, I do know Germans and for them to say that their top spy just wasn’t watching the news for three solid days is most definitely bullshit

Totally fair.  But given how weak Germany has been leading up to this, and that their policies which emboldened Putin are a big factor in the entire world being in this situation, I enjoyed that bit of egg on their face.

[dcar00 14351]

Just now, Homercles said:

If their nukes are anything like ours, particularly those deployed to other nations…they were (or should be) practically useless without the codes.  Probably not as sophisticated as our modern PAL devices, but there had to be some kind of control.  
 

Sure you could hack into it and cut it open, and you’d have uranium/plutonium for a dirty bomb…but the precise voltages, timing, and sequence needed to actually detonate it at yield is forever lost.  Our lates PALs (when the code isn’t 000000) will safe the device if you enter in the wrong code too many times or if it detects entry past the exclusion zone, or if a weak link is broken…hell many won’t arm, even with the right code, unless a certain sequence of environmental factors (like sustained g on an ICBM or free fall from a jet) is met.  
 

So hopefully, yeah they weren’t really usable by Ukraine at all.  

yeah I know. I heard the russian codes for all 1900 were all user id "Admin" password "12345678"

[Buzzrock 14937]

 

[TwiceHorn 31534]

17 minutes ago, Lurch said:

My understanding is that the Russians controlled those nukes so they were useless to Ukraine

It's worth looking at the Budapest Memorandum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

Having 1990-era Soviet nukes does not in any way guarantee that those same nukes would be operational today.

And, given that Ukraine has not been a model of stability over the last 30 years, probably on balance good that they were nuclear-free.

Edited February 27, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[RDCanecutter 26468]

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

he could have done that without going to aggie......jk.  well done and godspeed to your son.

what is CONUS?

Continental US.

[dcar00 14351]

Can we get this fucker Elon Musk to get some Starlink shit set up in Ukraine?  Fuck Billionaire Boy do something!

[HOOKEM4 5041]

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

Allegedly.... 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

 
 

Kyiv will be easier to overtake when some evacuate

[cactusflinthead 27601]

Interesting thread on starlink and satellite communication

 

[Armybrat 40889]

Tonight’s email from Bud’s Guns....

Tula ammo is made in Russia.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Armybrat

[Chewbacca 7783]

The sons of oligarchs are bopping in a Paris nightclub, either telling tales of woe from their front-line service or spouting anti-war sentiment, whichever seems most likely to impress the coke whore at their side, when all she really wants is more coke.

One of them just wrapped up Formula 1 testing. Fuck them all.

[FartingMonk 3608]

12 minutes ago, Homercles said:

If their nukes are anything like ours, particularly those deployed to other nations…they were (or should be) practically useless without the codes.  Probably not as sophisticated as our modern PAL devices, but there had to be some kind of control.  
 

Sure you could hack into it and cut it open, and you’d have uranium/plutonium for a dirty bomb…but the precise voltages, timing, and sequence needed to actually detonate it at yield is forever lost.  Our lates PALs (when the code isn’t 000000) will safe the device if you enter in the wrong code too many times or if it detects entry past the exclusion zone, or if a weak link is broken…hell many won’t arm, even with the right code, unless a certain sequence of environmental factors (like sustained g on an ICBM or free fall from a jet) is met.  
 

So hopefully, yeah they weren’t really usable by Ukraine at all.  

The hardest part on developing a nuclear weapon is getting the enriched plutonium.  There's an old saying if you got the plutonium you're 90 percent there on a nuclear weapon.  The rest of that 10 percent is a few calculations that a dude could do and spec the delivery system.

[dcar00 14351]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Kyiv will be easier to overtake when some evacuate

yeah.  this is a pretty large city to be taken over with an actual real army ready to fight for it.

[Bevo 13598]

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

Having 1990-era Soviet nukes does not in any way guarantee that those same nukes would be operational today.

 

The Ukraine has many scientists and engineers and physicists who actually worked on the 1980 era Russian nukes. If they wanted them to be operational, they could have been operational.

[Jameslaw121 4448]

3 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

The hardest part on developing a nuclear weapon is getting the enriched plutonium.  There's an old saying if you got the plutonium you're 90 percent there on a nuclear weapon.  The rest of that 10 percent is a few calculations that a dude could do and spec the delivery system.

If I remember correctly, that was one of the reasons the US did that. To take control of the plutonium before it fell into the hands of Iraq o North Korea or Dr. Emmett Brown

[TwiceHorn 31534]

18 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Ha.  If you think Ukraine had to be talked out of it then you've got it all wrong.  Ukraine didn't want the nukes.  Russia didn't want the nukes.  Maintaining a nuclear weapon is incredibly expensive and Ukraine didn't have the money to maintain it.  Provide security for it.  The retrofit of it would have been insanely expensive.  It would have been in a very bad shape so when the US said they would buy it and gave an assurance for security they happily agreed.  Now were they hoodwinked because they thought assurance and guarantee meant the same thing?  Probably.  

 

Worth noting that the signatories to the Budapest Memorandum agreed to non-aggression against Ukraine.  And agreed to secure Ukraine against nuclear aggression, not general aggression.  Russia is in violation of the Budapest Memorandum.  US and UK are not, so far.

[dcar00 14351]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's worth looking at the Budapest Memorandum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

Having 1990-era Soviet nukes does not in any way guarantee that those same nukes would be operational today.

And, given that Ukraine has not been a model of stability over the last 30 years, probably on balance good that they were nuclear-free.

they should have held on to them and traded them in for the 05 model year XLE package.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

If I remember correctly, that was one of the reasons the US did that. To take control of the plutonium before it fell into the hands of Iraq o North Korea or Dr. Emmett Brown

Doc brown? Don’t you mean the Libyans?

[NAVY 6747]

11 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Tonight’s email from Bud’s Guns....

Tula ammo is made in Russia.

Anti-Javelin tank cages are 90% off too! 

[StruggleBus 3922]

21 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Totally fair.  But given how weak Germany has been leading up to this, and that their policies which emboldened Putin are a big factor in the entire world being in this situation, I enjoyed that bit of egg on their face.

Fuck Germany. They are the absolute worst. 

There are plenty of lessons to be learned here from an energy policy perspective, but we all know that it will have no effect on US policy. 

Edited February 27, 2022 by StruggleBus

[Armybrat 40889]

1 minute ago, NAVY said:

Anti-Javelin tank cages are 90% off too! 

Maybe we should raid the wreath fund to buy some of that ammo to send to Zelensky’s freedom fighters so they can express mail it back to the Russians.

[Sawbonz 27584]

37 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

and there needs to be an evaluation of how this could have been avoided if at all.

This was going to happen short of Ukraine voluntarily becoming a Russian republic. We basically took away any cover of legitimacy Putin could have claimed by playing it the way we did. It was brilliant really. And really left the Putin dicksuckers in the US twisting in the wind

[Bojack 2082]

6 minutes ago, Jameslaw121 said:

If I remember correctly, that was one of the reasons the US did that. To take control of the plutonium before it fell into the hands of Iraq o North Korea or Dr. Emmett Brown

In 1985, you could just walk into any store and buy plutonium.  In 1994, it was a little harder to come by.  

[Chad Fuck 17753]

If you blow up the trucks, you eventually get a bunch of intact enemy tanks to put in your war museum.

The Finns have a great one. Full of Ivan’s armor. I was just there a month or so ago. Well worth checking out.

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1501]

The hardest part on developing a nuclear weapon is getting the enriched plutonium.  There's an old saying if you got the plutonium you're 90 percent there on a nuclear weapon.  The rest of that 10 percent is a few calculations that a dude could do and spec the delivery system.

I read the Sum of All Fears and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and agree.

[atomheartbevo 89786]

1 hour ago, conVINCEd said:

My boat wants are a little more modest than yours.  I have no desire, nor the funds, to employ people on a full time basis to take care of my boat.

You have at least one manservant, right?

[Gatorubet 30297]

There is way too long to go and too much complicated history to start slob knobbing our government and particularly Biden in this fiasco. The facts are that there are millions of Ukraine citizens in the line of fire of a crazy man, likely thousands of dead Russian soldiers involuntary slaughtered and the world‘s energy and economy looking fragile. I guess you can say the shit sandwich taste better than you thought but it’s still a bunch of crap and there needs to be an evaluation of how this could have been avoided if at all.

If you don’t think we did an amazeballs job of herding cats to get to this “fuck Putin and Russian gas and finances” point, given the myriad EU concerns and disincentives, then…..well….I strongly disagree.

Getting allies to act against their own short term self-interests (see every politician everywhere) takes carrot and stick diplomacy to 5D Chess level.

I love how you think Putin would be dissuaded from doing this because…..??

[Lurch 5931]

Recall, too, that Ukraine wasn’t exactly a model world citizen. They had to overthrow their government as recently as 2014

It’s a bit too simpleminded to just look at today and suggest they should have been left with nukes

[conVINCEd 21469]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

You have at least one manservant, right?

The females are a tad more expensive but worth it IMO.

[atomheartbevo 89786]

51 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Forgot I had the live cam running in the background and picking up sporadic rapid fire last few minutes.

You're live-streaming one of the 6th street cameras as well?  Which one?

[TwiceHorn 31534]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

If you don’t think we did an amazeballs job of herding cats to get to this “fuck Putin and Russian gas and finances” point, given the myriad EU concerns and disincentives, then…..well….I strongly disagree.

Getting allies to act against their own short term self-interests (see every politician everywhere) takes carrot and stick diplomacy to 5D Chess level.

I love how you think Putin would be dissuaded from doing this because…..??

The "and particularly Biden" comment is rich.  Yes, there are probably things that could have been done over the last 30 years with respect to Europe, Ukraine and Russia that would have fended this off to some degree.  Hardly any of it could have been done by Joe Biden.

[Nivek 16982]

On 2/25/2022 at 8:07 AM, ChickenSandwich said:

 

This has aged so well.  

[MillerEP 30495]

A lot more people getting on the news pouring cold water on everything, reminding everyone that less than 50% of the massed troops haven't even moved in yet, and they have yet to really start leveling city blocks. The thinking is that as Putin gets increasingly more and more backed into a corner, he may start lashing out with more and more brutal attacks on the civilian population.

[FartingMonk 3608]

3 minutes ago, Mantis Toboggan, MD said:

I read the Sum of All Fears and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and agree.

Part of why I like Tom Clancy books so much is the extensive research he does on stuff.  A lot of his stuff is scary accurate.  I remember some of his books scared the DOD so much that they thought he was leaked.classified info that they asked him to show him the book before it got published.  The amount of access he got to the military was insane.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

29 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Totally fair.  But given how weak Germany has been leading up to this, and that their policies which emboldened Putin are a big factor in the entire world being in this situation, I enjoyed that bit of egg on their face.

yeah, Trump alienated the Germans (no CR speaking from the Germans perspective) also the refugee situation has caused huge pressures internally politically and as Merkel has finally retired many of the people who were vying for her place afterwards felt they could not count on the US like they had in the past. Indeed, they made a deal with the devil.

while  I’m not making excuses for anybody or their mistakes, I feel like this unfortunate mess will repolarize our allies with us and could lead to some real positives for the world. Ukrainians are literally fighting for all of us right now

[atomheartbevo 89786]

52 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

You are correct, this is a long way from over and it doesn't look good for Ukraine. This will most likely turn into a bloodbath. NATO and Putin will both share the blame. This will be the end of Putin IMHO. I do hope Ukraine gives them hell.

There's only one person to blame for this, the asshole who ordered the attack.

[htown85 159]

Seems like an uneventful night. I guess that’s good?

[Dr Climax 57]

Spoiler

yeah stealing from myself earlier.

"I have the worst fucking allies."
 

I fucking love this place, that is outstanding!


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