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[TXSG8R 3362]

44 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'm liking these Ukrainian women:

 

Former Miss Ukraine Anastasia Lenna picks up assault rifle to fight for her country and says, "Everyone who crosses the Ukrainian border with the intent to invade will be killed!" 

 

The red dot is obscuring my face, remove it so they can see how determined I am laying in the snow. 

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1 hour ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Also, Tom Malinowski (D) on CNN is discussing the worry is shelling about civilians and not nuclear war between Russia and the US. 

I'm wondering if Rubio's ominous tweet the other night was about this very thing.  Deliberately leveling cities full of civilians is one of those things that a lot of people frown upon.

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3 hours ago, Constant said:

 

looks like small arms fire on the red/white cars  (can someone with actual military experience verify?)

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49 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'm liking these Ukrainian women:

 

Former Miss Ukraine Anastasia Lenna picks up assault rifle to fight for her country and says, "Everyone who crosses the Ukrainian border with the intent to invade will be killed!" 

 

I can't imagine an AR is a good choice of weapon in that environment. I'd want an AK for compatibility with everything else in the field and to be able to just pick up mags off the ground or off dead guys. (I know, this is a bullshit promo photo)  

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm wondering if Rubio's ominous tweet the other night was about this very thing.  Deliberately leveling cities full of civilians is one of those things that a lot of people frown upon.

It’s also relatively easy to avoid war crimes prosecution if we have a nuclear winter. Tactical nukes would still be horrific though. 

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39 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Scattershooting while wondering whatever happened to Yakov Smirnoff:

Rubio's tweets could be psyops, they could be earnest concerns from the senate intelligence committee. One other thought came to mind. He's laying the foundation for the ultimate removal of Putin in power through a carefully coordinated action with Russians inside the government. That would explain how incredibly good US intelligence has been on all of this.

Yakov could be pissed that he's not the comedian in charge of Ukraine, but probably he knows how serious it is, and doesn't want to do anything that would detract from it.  He's got a massive brand to protect as well.

Rubio's stuff sometimes has a "Cardinal of the Kremlin" feel to them, but yeah, his tweets are definitely giving off of a vibe that that the US/etc. are aware of everything happening in the Kremlin and are carefully documenting it all for the aftermath.

And they are probably making Putin a little paranoid, which could be good, could be bad.

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4 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I can't imagine an AR is a good choice of weapon in that environment. I'd want an AK for compatibility with everything else in the field and to be able to just pick up mags off the ground or off dead guys. (I know, this is a bullshit promo photo)  

The 556 round is more common than most people think.  And most Western 556 assault rifles use the American (STANAG) magazine.  That AR15 might be just fine.

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

looks like small arms fire on the red/white cars  (can someone with actual military experience verify?)

Red car looks like small arms. White car is definitely frag damage (elongated irregular holes).

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1 hour ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Also, Tom Malinowski (D) on CNN is discussing the worry is shelling about civilians and not nuclear war between Russia and the US. 

We shouldn’t act on the foundation that Putin will immediately escalate to full on nuclear war. We’ve been clear that no NATO country will fight unless NATO is attacked. And it’s not like Putin didn’t know the sanctions were coming. He’s been planning for these sanction forms for 6-7 years.

now if Putin decides to further act irrationally to rational actions, then perhaps this was a result that was bound to happen. 

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17 hours ago, closetohumping said:

@TwiceHorn @ChiTownDoc you two dirtbags have the audacity and audaciousness to focus on this young lady's aesthetics in lieu of the message? Just kidding.  She's the smoke show.

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6 hours ago, FartingMonk said:

If you were hardcore you'd shoot the first one who bitched and hoped the rest comply and don't jump your ass.  If you weren't so sure about the war you'd slow march it and have shit break down and just be like oh damn my luck.  I was hoping to get to Kiev by night fall but it looks like this damned fuel line has ruptured for the 3rd time.

Which is exactly what happened in WWII.  Between the hardcore NCOs and the political komissars, "failure to advance" under fire was punishable by swift death, right there on the battlefield.  Soviet soldiers faced as much danger from the rear as from the Nazis to their front.

Which goes back to my theory that while Putin quite fancies himself the latter-day Dzugashvili and he has a certain amount of loyalty from his toadies, the indoctrination from the Party is missing and I think the fanaticism just is not there as it was 75 years ago.

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3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Moscow stock exchange didn’t open today. The Ruble has plunged.  Russian central bank raises interest rates more than 11% to 20%.  

It's taken us 30 years to find out that Han's was going.... 

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11 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I can't imagine an AR is a good choice of weapon in that environment. I'd want an AK for compatibility with everything else in the field and to be able to just pick up mags off the ground or off dead guys. (I know, this is a bullshit promo photo)  

That works both ways.  I think the supply of NATO rounds won't be disrupted.

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33 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

I think Putin fundamentally misunderstood shock & awe then.  The goals are not to put on a parade display for the media and/or general public. It’s designed to be a coordinated and overwhelming crush on military capability that paralyzes military and gov’t leadership. You take so many pieces off the board all at once that you destroy every level of response that their defense can muster.  In Iraq we put a missile in every AA system, comms unit, ammo dump, emplaced armor, and plane on the ground, almost simultaneously. You saturate their leadership in information and force paralysis through analysis so they are incapable of responding in any coordinated way. We didn’t roll armor into Baghdad in 2 days, but they arrived largely intact because there was no coordinated capability to stop them or reduce their fighting capability. To summarize in gif form:

 

Yep.  Shock and awe was meant to blind the enemy and disrupt their ability to coordinate any semblance of a counterattack.  To pull it off takes a level of coordination and training that few armies can muster.  

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15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm wondering if Rubio's ominous tweet the other night was about this very thing.  Deliberately leveling cities full of civilians is one of those things that a lot of people frown upon.

Russia did this in Syria, but no one really gave a shit because the whole country was a shit show. The world is watching this time. The world is going to remember this.

Either Putin is displaced an a "new" kinder Russia rises 

or Putin survives and we go balls deep into a new Cold War, but with More Feelings and Convinction this time.

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3 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

2. Alternatively, and what I would probably bet on at this point (although frankly every theory has a lot of logical holes because what Putin is doing isn’t rational overall), maybe Putin is continuing to half-ass the war because he’s scared shitless of provoking NATO into crushing him?  He’s a punkass bully thug, essentially a mob boss in charge of a country, and like most bullies and criminals, he’s probably a coward when he’s not picking on someone he knows he can overpower.  He misjudged how easy it would be to take Ukraine, he feels stuck and like he can’t turn back, but he also feels like he has to conduct the war in a way that won’t cause the USA or NATO to escalate into something catastrophic.  

1 hour ago, TXSG8R said:

Russia still has a clear numerical and tech advantage, and if the goal was to take over the country without concern for what’s left, this would have been over in 48 hours.  The biggest surprise in all of this has been the complete and utter lack of combined arms coordination and timing.  Those are leadership issues full stop, and largely stem from no one being honest with Putin. They weren’t honest about their combined arms capability, their training and readiness, their adversary, the battlefield conditions, all of it.  This is the danger of surrounding yourself with yes men. 

Here's the thing:  The invasion force that Putin assembled here in 2022 could have taken Ukraine in 2008 or 2014, as it would have been enough for when he invaded Georgia and Crimea.  We had a combined force of nearly a million troops in 1991 when we took on Iraq, a country smaller/less populated than Ukraine.  We had a combined force of 250,000+ when we took on Iraq in 2003, even though they were a shadow of themselves militarily, and that 250,000+ was ultimately not enough to pacify the country and we paid a price for it.

Russia's military priorities were to A) defend itself from outsiders and B) do things like Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea, and now Ukraine, and C) Export weapons (which could be ahead of B) )

Defending themselves means maintaining the nuclear arsenal and upgrading their aircraft and naval forces along with electronic warfare (EW) and anti-aircraft (S-400, etc.), potentially at the cost of ground forces.  The F-22 and F-35 had to be a kick in the nuts to them.  If they were really limited on budgets, I could easily see them deciding that they could skimp on ground forces with the notion that they have a shit-ton of land and hostile terrain they could trade for time while they either got their shit together with their reserves, etc. or decided to escalate (tactical nukes).

As somebody who read all of the early Tom Clancy stuff, Harold Coyle, Sir John Hackett (Third World War), Larry Bond (Red Storm Rising co-author, designer of Harpoon video games, etc.), it's definitely not what I expected out of the Soviets Russians.

But then we are seeing the average Russian soldier without optics on their rifle, without night vision gear, and the Russian Navy had to have a fucking tugboat following their aircraft carrier around in case it broke down.

All those jokes that came out when we saw that they couldn't even properly maintain a single fucking aircraft carrier while we had 10+ in the rotation are now making sense.

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5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  Shock and awe was meant to blind the enemy and disrupt their ability to coordinate any semblance of a counterattack.  To pull it off takes a level of coordination and training that few armies can muster.  

I think I understand what the mix-up is and why the Russian version sucks.  

[crash_davis 23115]

good TLDR 

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[BabaYaga 15331]

Hmmmmm

 

[Nivek 16994]

9 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Red car looks like small arms. White car is definitely frag damage (elongated irregular holes).

thanks! (ran out of rep)

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Can we get the thread title changed? "Russia fucked around, and now they're finding out."  Or something similar thx.

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Hmmmmm

 

I'm gonna guess any comment.  Or no comment.  Or just the fact that nobody is bending the knee is enough.  He needs to be gone.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Which is exactly what happened in WWII.  Between the hardcore NCOs and the political komissars, "failure to advance" under fire was punishable by swift death, right there on the battlefield.  Soviet soldiers faced as much danger from the rear as from the Nazis to their front.

Which goes back to my theory that while Putin quite fancies himself the latter-day Dzugashvili and he has a certain amount of loyalty from his toadies, the indoctrination from the Party is missing and I think the fanaticism just is not there as it was 75 years ago.

Here in 2022, if a single Russian pilot or somebody in charge of an artillery battery or somebody in a tank or whatever fucks around and half-asses something either because they don't want to kill Ukrainians, or they themselves are scared of being killed, that pilot or soldier would probably be removed from duty and given the Russian version of a court martial (aka shot maybe?). They definitely would have been shot in WWII.  A commanding officer might have done it and bragged about it up the chain of command to get a pat on the head.

But if you have two or more pilots or multiple tanks or whatever half-assing things things because they don't want to kill Ukrainians or they are scared, then the commanding officer is in a world of shit, and at some point that commanding officer may decide to just ignore what's going on, because if he starts having to discipline multiple pilots or soldiers, somebody above him may notice and blame him for the environment.  Ye Old "if the guy on your left is an asshole, he's an asshole, but if the guy on your left and the guy on your right and the guy in front of you are assholes, then you're the asshole" theory.

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47 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Ugh… 

that’s not a call I fucking ever want to receive

Good reminder that even though everyone here is team #Ukraine and wish nothing but chaos amongst the Russian army and government, these Russian soldiers are also brothers, fathers, sons, etc.  Many of them probably 20-30 years old, and not only have been lied to in regards to what they are doing in Ukraine, but pretty much their whole lives what role Russia plays in the world.  I'd say there is pretty good evidence at this point that a lot of the forces sent in thought they were coming to free oppressed people which is why you see Russian soldiers allowing citizens to approach them, asking for fuel, joking about tanks running out of gas, abandoning vehicles etc.

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11 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Hmmmmm

 

Good bright, cheery morning!

Anyway, could be these, although many other countries are quietly ok'ing this (or at least looking the other way), she was pretty out there with it - 

Liz Truss has said she would back UK vigilantes who want to travel to Ukraine and fight Russian forces.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on foreign fighters to travel to his country and take up arms in the battle against enemy forces.

Asked by BBC journalist Sophie Raworth if she would support Britons doing this, Ms Truss said: “I do support that...that is something people can make their own decisions about.

“If people want to support that struggle I would support them in doing that."

Truss isn't the brightest bulb, but nothing particularly unusually inflammatory in those, and with the Russians looking for any excuse to save face, probably along those lines.  They're just desperately trying to find an excuse to justify the worst invasion since Geraldo Rivera cracked open a vault.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/liz-truss-british-fight-ukraine-russia-b984892.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=homepage_banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3

Edited February 28, 2022 by phdhorn

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10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Hmmmmm

 

It's speculated that Truss said, "Putin likes long big cocks. It's on the internet. Its true."

 

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Edited February 28, 2022 by crash_davis

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2 hours ago, Goredho said:

Oh fuck, @Bama Chick nuked @Nicole44. WTF is NATO going to do now??!!

Im willing to host peace negotiations 

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Amazing that so many here in the US are starting to clamor for war. 

Fuck Russia and I hope they get their ass kicked, but none of this nonsense is worth getting involved militarily. 

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1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

Im willing to host peace negotiations 

You spelled piece wrong.

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3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

That is awesome (and one of my favorite pieces of art).  
 

1 billion pos reps for the Uke soldiers doing that.   God bless and guide their bullets. 

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16 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Can we get the thread title changed? "Russia fucked around, and now they're finding out."  Or something similar thx.

All encompassing thread of Putin's doom.

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Things not going well for Vladimir Putin.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60553124

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A Ukrainian sailor has admitted trying to sink a yacht owned by the head of a Russian state arms firm, in retaliation for the invasion of Ukraine.

The 48m (157ft) Lady Anastasia, which belongs to Rosoboronexport director general Alexander Mikheev, was docked in Majorca in Spain when the mechanic opened valves in its engine room.

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There was no immediate comment from Mr Mikheev or Rosoboronexport, which exports Russian defence products, including tanks, fighting vehicles, aircraft, ships, weapons and ammunition.

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He was arrested by Civil Guard officers on Saturday and later released on bail.

He told a judge that he regretted nothing and would do it again.

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8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Im willing to host peace negotiations 

Oh great, just what we need in this time of crisis — a hot Henry Kissinger sandwich.

[crash_davis 23115]

Syrian advice on how to fight the Russians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/28/syrian-rebels-have-advice-for-ukrainian-fighters-on-fighting-russians/

 

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Akaidi said the most effective way to repel advancing Russian forces is to widely deploy Stinger antiaircraft missiles, as well as antitank and anti-armor systems. The Stingers are the most important, because Russian pilots will avoid any area where they see Stingers being used effectively.

“When you take down a couple of planes in a specific place, you know you can operate more freely in that place, because they are afraid to fly over it, and that’s a really key thing,” he said.

 

The United States and Europe have provided Ukraine with some Stingers, Javelin antitank systems and other weaponry, and more are on the way.

 

“Stingers are a huge blessing — rely on these. Because these are air-defense systems that scare the hell out of the Russians,” Akaidi said.

Ukrainians should also be confident because they have several things the Syrian opposition never had, including a well-trained and well-equipped fighting force led by a democratic government and a strong democratic leader in Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

“You have a courageous and brave president. You have a courageous and brave leadership. Band around them,” Akaidi said.

 

Even without these advantages, Syrian opposition forces in Aleppo held out for years under brutal assault and siege against Russia, Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and the Islamic State. Each day of resistance puts more pressure on Putin, because he must think about his economy and his domestic unrest as Russian soldiers come home in body bags.

Winning against Russia sometimes means simply continuing the resistance against them and making Putin pay a higher price for his aggression, by fighting and surviving each day, Akaidi said.

“Just know that you are more powerful than people think,” Akaidi wants to tell the Ukrainians. “Band together and fight them as long as you can. ... We believe in you. We are praying for you to last.”

 

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7 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

One of my favorite gifs

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1 hour ago, troph said:

I’m still betting on this is not like any other Russian war. Most importantly Russia is taking on a U.S. backed, trained, supplied, resupplied, advised, partially led, intelligence fed military that for the last 8 years has actually listened and trained liked their lives depended upon it. With advisors (aka on the field leadership) and a robust resupply chain of weapons forming this is not Syria or Afghanistan. Add to that sanctions that actually have teeth this time. Real time financial woes for Russian on the war finance side of things.
 

then add all of the mess we see with yes men, Russian soldiers not knowing, lack of training, etc etc and possibly, possibly a desire not to damage infrastructure thinking about governing post surrender which goes back to unrealistic political assumptions that Ukrainian would surrender. 
 

but I come back to there is only one military on the planet that could embarrass Russia like this is a U.S. led military and for all intents and purposes I think that’s what we have here. 

It may be our weapons and tactics, but let's give the Ukrainians the credit, it is their blood, their guts.  

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8 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

 

Hey Roman: 

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29 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Russia did this in Syria, but no one really gave a shit because the whole country was a shit show. The world is watching this time. The world is going to remember this.

That and Syrian leadership was willing to level its own cities that showed signs of rebelling against Assad.