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[BabaYaga 15312]

Just now, Rimbo said:

fuel trucks

LOL, not these days.....

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Sorry if already asked but is Russia's failure rate on missiles/bombs abnormally high? Seems like we see a lot of unexploded ordinance but have no reference due to the social media aspect of this war vs previous wars. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Someone may have commented previously, but this has to be the first major social-media conflict.  Meaning, while social media has been around and covered other conflicts, this one seemingly is the most covered of all, with both information and disinformation.  Civilians have seen war upfront before, but not with the ability to report it in near real-time.  Same with soldiers as well.
On that tangent:
 
 

A Saturn would’ve stopped that

[BabaYaga 15312]

1 minute ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Sorry if already asked but is Russia's failure rate on missiles/bombs abnormally high? Seems like we see a lot of unexploded ordinance but have no reference due to the social media aspect of this war vs previous wars. 

Not sure how'd you quantify failure rates on opposing arms?  Your own, sure.....but who's counting duds as a percentage of total ordinance fired?  Be interesting to find out.

As for previous wars, I hear Verdun is nice this time of year......;)

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

Dr Mike Martin ⛵️@ThreshedThoughtArmies that don’t recover their dead from the battlefield tend not to remain cohesive fighting forces11:43 AM · Mar 5, 2022·Twitter for iPhone274 Retweets17 Quote Tweets1,983 Likes

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1500165181783089163?s=20&t=N9Qi1cxDjddVCN7nFvmgsA

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

3 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Sorry if already asked but is Russia's failure rate on missiles/bombs abnormally high? Seems like we see a lot of unexploded ordinance but have no reference due to the social media aspect of this war vs previous wars. 

Is this a joke?  Their failure rate on pretty much everything is abnormally high.  It’s hard to believe but over half the incredible failures posted on Twitter are actually true.  Mind boggling.  

[Royalfan5 2355]

4 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Sorry if already asked but is Russia's failure rate on missiles/bombs abnormally high? Seems like we see a lot of unexploded ordinance but have no reference due to the social media aspect of this war vs previous wars. 

When I was in Laos they said something 35-40% of US bombs didn't go off during the Vietnam era which is why we are still generously funding prosthetic clinics to this day,  

[Nicole44 22077]

Looks like the Ukrainians are collecting quite a few Wagner Group dog tags. Good for them. 

[JesusSweatDuck 17809]

5 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Sorry if already asked but is Russia's failure rate on missiles/bombs abnormally high? Seems like we see a lot of unexploded ordinance but have no reference due to the social media aspect of this war vs previous wars. 

A lot of these pictures aren't duds, but are the spent motor portion of the rocket that detaches.

[burntorangebongos 10752]

The Ukrainian people might want to return to their Country but with it all bombed to shit, maybe not. Unless the Russian's fork over reparations but those fucks have no money. Maybe they give Ukraine all their gas rights and pipelines? Stupid fuckers have bankrupted themselves for generations and I imagine others are  going to take hits as well. 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 minute ago, MillerEP said:

 

If I’m a mercenary worth a shit I pass the $2k a day and head to the Russian side to trick some idiot teens on their side to handoff large amounts of equipment to the Ukes.  
 

[twosheds 374]

Use car condition:  "Used, with minor repairs"

But it’s never been in a flood

[Nicole44 22077]

 

[RDCanecutter 26468]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Meh, original Bradley had aluminum armor.  Fine for most small arms stuff, but even modern laminate has a hard time with these modern AT missiles

Yeah, former M113 guy here-- the light armor stops what it was designed to stop, which is rifle-caliber ammo and occasional mortar fragments. If you're exposed to more than that, it's nature's way of telling you you should have dismounted back behind that last hill.

[Nicole44 22077]

 

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[Fico 1791]

1 hour ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

So, aluminum 'armor' may not work very well in real conditions. 

Pentagon Wars should told ya. 

[BabaYaga 15312]

8 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Yeah, former M113 guy here-- the light armor stops what it was designed to stop, which is rifle-caliber ammo and occasional mortar fragments. If you're exposed to more than that, it's nature's way of telling you you should have dismounted back behind that last hill.

Didn't they decide upon aluminum to keep the weight down; especially with lessons learned in Vietnam about tracked vehicles getting stuck?

[Dahobbs 17679]

17 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

A Saturn would’ve stopped that

Those dent resistant doors don't mess around!

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Last I checked, you don't represent a nation state.  

Have you seen her ranch? It's apparently the size of Luxembourg...

13 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

The Ukrainian people might want to return to their Country but with it all bombed to shit, maybe not. Unless the Russian's fork over reparations but those fucks have no money. Maybe they give Ukraine all their gas rights and pipelines? Stupid fuckers have bankrupted themselves for generations and I imagine others are  going to take hits as well. 

The reparations thing is from the same line of Bad Idea Jeans as a NATO no-fly zone. You can't get blood from a stone and if you try you breed a whole new generation of haters. I mean didn't we learn anything from Versailles? Or how the Marshall Plan was a better way to go? 

[InkaUtexas 26093]

Article about preparing for an insurgency. Interesting. 

 

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/ukraines-insurgency-in-waiting/

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[RDCanecutter 26468]

31 minutes ago, msucolt45 said:

During Desert Storm, Fng 30 years ago, I was a Fire Direction Specialist for an MLRS Battalion. I had a launcher about to receive a “mission” requiring 2 rockets. Back then each MLRS launcher contained two “six packs” of pods, so at most they held twelve rockets.

The launcher assigned only had three rounds/ rockets left in a pod of six, so I changed the mission to three, in order to empty his pod. You’d thought the world ended with that change!!

I had everyone from a Colonel to those with stars, thinking I’d just wasted money!!! I’m like WTF, we’d already shot over 1K rockets and they were worried about ONE. It wasn’t even an air corridor problem with “friendly jets”, they were saying I wasted $$$.

I bow to you. Best I ever did was steal a Humvee for a week. I probably saved the US Government money considering who I stole it from.

[NoName 16397]

War Zone article:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44636/the-next-few-weeks-of-fighting-in-ukraine-will-be-ugly-cia-director-warns

 

[Da Fino 2783]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

For anyone who wants to know more about these Javelin missiles:

 

tl;dw:

1. They are light (only about 50 pounds)

2. They enter on top of the vehicle where armor is weakest (others have mentioned this)

3. They are expensive - sometimes more expensive than the armor they destroy. Each missile costs $175,000.

4. Fire and forget from 4km so no need to guide the rocket.

There's a good, quick book about their effectiveness in Iraq called roughneck nine-one. 

[Zonahorn 8079]

27 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Dr Mike Martin ⛵️@ThreshedThoughtArmies that don’t recover their dead from the battlefield tend not to remain cohesive fighting forces11:43 AM · Mar 5, 2022·Twitter for iPhone274 Retweets17 Quote Tweets1,983 Likes

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1500165181783089163?s=20&t=N9Qi1cxDjddVCN7nFvmgsA

 

[SimonBolivar 10959]

 

[Parliament 14291]

17 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Article about preparing for an insurgency. Interesting. 

 

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/ukraines-insurgency-in-waiting/

That's a great read.  

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[Skipper 6196]

Considering how difficult it's been for Russia to win Mariupol/Kharkiv (with much more favorable geography for logistics), and how long Kyiv has had to prepare for an assault, you have to think it would be incredibly costly for Russia to ever actually occupy the city.  I wonder if Putin's strategy has changed to just getting within artillery range of central Kyiv and bombing the hell out of it until he can get favorable terms to declare a "victory" while leaving the country in ruins.   The amount of equipment and soldiers he would have to sacrifice to actually take the city has to be many multiples of what they projected when this started.

[MillerEP 30495]

Pic:

[RDCanecutter 26468]

16 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Didn't they decide upon aluminum to keep the weight down; especially with lessons learned in Vietnam about tracked vehicles getting stuck?

Dunno. A friend who rode one in Vietnam didn't mention getting stuck much. He did say they pretty much drove at walking speed most of the time. When I did drive one, it was in Alabama. We all did better than Cousin Vinny, through every mudhole of Pelham Range.

Riding inside an M113 was like being in a Jules Verne craft in a stormy sea, minus the top hats and plush velvet padding. Many jabby bits.

We scouts mostly dismounted and snuck around in twos and threes. If you had to fight from an M113, something bad had already happened.

A friend went on and eventually commanded Bradleys. He hated that the Bradley had a gun. Said it tricked people into thinking they were a tank.

[TexasEd 8077]

5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Considering how difficult it's been for Russia to win Mariupol/Kharkiv (with much more favorable geography for logistics), and how long Kyiv has had to prepare for an assault, you have to think it would be incredibly costly for Russia to ever actually occupy the city.  I wonder if Putin's strategy has changed to just getting within artillery range of central Kyiv and bombing the hell out of it until he can get favorable terms to declare a "victory" while leaving the country in ruins.   The amount of equipment and soldiers he would have to sacrifice to actually take the city has to be many multiples of what they projected when this started.

oh, I think they will shell Kyiv for a week or two before they send significant numbers in.  I think they will try to insert spotters and kill squads but not occupy right away.

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[BabaYaga 15312]

4 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

He hated that the Bradley had a gun. Said it tricked people into thinking they were a tank.

Or TOW missiles designed to engage with tanks.

History channel, GW1 - engagement of Iraqi armor and Bradley's were there as well.  Driver said he had a tank lined up and the TOW plopped out, fizzled, and landed in the dirt a few feet in front of the vehicle.  Pucker time, as enemy tank was traversing around toward them.  Guy said someone else got the tank thankfully, but man.  Talk about being nervous!

[Fico 1791]

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Considering how difficult it's been for Russia to win Mariupol/Kharkiv (with much more favorable geography for logistics), and how long Kyiv has had to prepare for an assault, you have to think it would be incredibly costly for Russia to ever actually occupy the city.  I wonder if Putin's strategy has changed to just getting within artillery range of central Kyiv and bombing the hell out of it until he can get favorable terms to declare a "victory" while leaving the country in ruins.   The amount of equipment and soldiers he would have to sacrifice to actually take the city has to be many multiples of what they projected when this started.

I'm sure I am in the minority, but I think it's just as important for Putin to encircle the entrenched regular Ukrainian army stuck on the border of the breakaway regions and offer no quarter. That would go a long way of accomplishing his goal demilitarizing the Ukraine. Further it would take away a bit chunk of their young male population, I am sure some of the best and brightest, and setting Ukraine back for a generation(s?). 

I hope like hell I am wrong but I don't see anyway they army will be able to withdraw back to a more reinforceable and suppliable position without getting devastated during the pullback. Here's to hoping the flanks can hold and keep a corridor open to those troops. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

 

[NoName 16397]

7 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

wow, great news. looks like Poland has ~30 operational MIGs? ~21 single + ~6 twin seats?

quick about face - WarZone had an article about how Poland wasn't interested over the weekend: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44608/poland-still-isnt-interested-in-transferring-its-mig-29s-to-ukraine

from that article:

sounds like there are 28 operational MiGs?

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Politico reported Saturday that negotiations are now focused on Warsaw only and revolve around the U.S. providing U.S.-built fighters to replace its MiG-29s.

article talks about the potential options on the swap - good read.

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by NoName

[956 Worldwide 34752]

6 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Poland just returned serve to us.  The ball is clearly on our side to figure out how to compress a normally years long process and also to figure out how to backfill our own fleet.

 

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At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes. 

 

[BamaATL 16593]

3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

 

Fuck Off, that's me being impartial 

[Longhornlove 4883]

4 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

 

Your avatar is appropriate for this post. JFC, who is the retard that hit send on that email?

[MillerEP 30495]

 

[RDCanecutter 26468]

7 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

 

NYPD should not use terms "unpaid tickets" and "tow truck" regarding whereabouts of missing UN cars.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Good lord, Ambassador. Can you use less emojis? 

[MillerEP 30495]

https://time.com/6155670/foreign-fighters-ukraine-europe/

Meet the Foreign Volunteers Risking Their Lives to Defend Ukraine—and Europe

 

(behind a paywall, so Ctl+A > Ctil+C > then open notepad/wordpad > Ctrl+V)

Edited March 8, 2022 by MillerEP

[956 Worldwide 34752]

On the MiGs— also the issue of getting them out of Germany and to Ukraine. Germany would flip the hell out and then they’d have to fly back to Ukraine over Poland again. Clear message of “we don’t feel awesome having these jets fly out of Rzeszow” from the Poles. 

[sidis 9832]

14 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Good lord, Ambassador. Can you use less emojis? 

jesus, if there was ever a time for the "fewer" meme...

[Longhornlove 4883]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

On the MiGs— also the issue of getting them out of Germany and to Ukraine. Germany would flip the hell out and then they’d have to fly back to Ukraine over Poland again. Clear message of “we don’t feel awesome having these jets fly out of Rzeszow” from the Poles. 

Yeah, I don't see this happening. I assumed Poland would give them to Ukraine and we would back fill with F16's. I know this is 6 in one hand and 1/2 a dozen in the other but the optics aren't good if it goes down this way. Pretty sure this is all part of some PSYOPS going on. All this could have gone down behind closed doors and if true probably should have but we have people in the government doing interviews on live news giving play by play.

[Nicole44 22077]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

On the MiGs— also the issue of getting them out of Germany and to Ukraine. Germany would flip the hell out and then they’d have to fly back to Ukraine over Poland again. Clear message of “we don’t feel awesome having these jets fly out of Rzeszow” from the Poles. 

I’m still excited! I thought this particular deal was DOA. It’s incredible how the world has really come together over this invasion/war by Russia. Obviously, given the response and solidarity for Ukraine with citizens all over the world their countries leaders are taking note as well. Not that they weren’t from the beginning…but Ukraine has support from people all over. It’s being noted.

In other weird ass news Russell Wilson is now a Bronco?