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[davidg 4037]

14 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yeah, he NEVER gave any specifics, but that seems about in line with what he "alluded" to.  Dozens and dozens over the years.  

100% we know where they all are and have probably even tried to salvage a few for intel.  

Where's the Glomar Explorer when you need her?

Edited April 14, 2022 by davidg
Dammit, NMAAS beat me by a minute

[bolverk 29672]

The Moskva is damaged but moving under its own power, the U.S. says

Posted 8 minutes ago

A senior defense official says the U.S. is still uncertain about the cause of a fire aboard the Russian warship, the Moskva.

The official says Russian sailors are still fighting the fire, which is extensive, but that the ship is operating under its own power and likely heading for Sevastopol.

Russian defense officials maintain that a fire detonated ammunition on board the ship, while Ukraine says the Moskva was hit by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles and was sinking.

The official stressed that the Pentagon cannot confirm what caused the damage, but added that less than half a dozen other Russian warships in the northern Black Sea moved further away from the coast after the incident.

[InkaUtexas 25937]

5 hours ago, Hefeweizen said:

Better than pretty good, he has potential.

Practice  squad? 

[BabaYaga 15297]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The Moskva is damaged but moving under its own power, the U.S. says

Posted 8 minutes ago

A senior defense official says the U.S. is still uncertain about the cause of a fire aboard the Russian warship, the Moskva.

The official says Russian sailors are still fighting the fire, which is extensive, but that the ship is operating under its own power and likely heading for Sevastopol.

Russian defense officials maintain that a fire detonated ammunition on board the ship, while Ukraine says the Moskva was hit by Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles and was sinking.

The official stressed that the Pentagon cannot confirm what caused the damage, but added that less than half a dozen other Russian warships in the northern Black Sea moved further away from the coast after the incident.

Avatar is appropriate!

[InkaUtexas 25937]

49 minutes ago, Nivek said:

The craziest part to me is that they would rather suggest that their crews are so incompetent and their ships are so shitty as to blow up if a guy is smoking in the wrong area as an alternative explanation.   I suppose they do not want to be a weapons manufacturer anymore.  

Yep, right now I am sure a bunch of countries are wondering about their weapons orders. Need a helo to mop up goat herders, sure, get a hind. Need to fight someone who can fight back? call NATO. 

[TexasEd 8067]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

This has been evident across every facet of the Russian forces.  

 

Along with the failure to contain, it might have set off internal secondary explosions - most likely stored ammo or something equally volatile.  Be funny if the deck popped off like so many Russian tank turrets.

Russia claims it was a fire that exploded ordinance.  They leave out the cause of the fire was a missile strike.

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Heard it is (was) one of three

That's what the US Navy Says. The other two of that class are in the Med I think.

https://news.usni.org/2022/04/13/russian-navy-confirms-severe-damage-to-black-sea-cruiser-moskva-crew-abandoned-ship

They are also claiming it is on it's way to it's home port of Sevastopol in Crimea. Still on fire though.

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Russian Navy’s Black Sea flagship appears to be heading toward Sevastopol, Crimea, after sustaining major damage in a fire Wednesday, a senior defense official told reporters Thursday.

The Department of Defense cannot confirm what caused the fire on RTS Moskva (121), the defense official said. Moskva was about 60-65 nautical miles south of Odesa when the fire started.

“It very well could have been from an external source like like a missile,” the defense official said. “That that range is not out of range for a Neptune. Sixty miles is well within the Neptune’s effective range. But it also could have been something else. So again, … we’re just being careful here.”

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by TexasEd

[Ghost of LL 15531]

24 minutes ago, davidg said:

Missiles in the magazine?   You see the big tubes on the side of the ship that held the 16 cruise missiles right?  I'm probably gonna go with that 16 is a full load for the ship and you head back to the dock or alongside a replenishment ship to get more.  I doubt they had any more stored down below anywhere.

If the Neptune missile hits the side and those things cook off no telling what on the boat gets destroyed.

Yeah--we have our missiles in the magazine.

I can't imagine that they actually store the missiles in those missile tubes that are on the deck.  Surely those are only launch tubes.  Because aside from the danger of having highly explosive missiles right there on your decks, they'd be exposed to the elements.  And those are the launch tubes for your anti-ship missiles, and given that Ukraine doesn't have a navy you wouldn't expect those to be needed.  So surely they were empty, right?

[MillerEP 30455]

 

[InkaUtexas 25937]

4 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

It's very damn good.  Slightly reminiscent of the Willie and Joe cartoons in style, and definitely the same flavor.  Tell your dad he knocked it out of the park.

Will do. Yeah, he loves that style and is the reason I still collect Calvin and Hobbes. With the loss of my Stepmom in December I am on his ass to draw more. Might just have to drive up to see him, show him these comments and build him a studio. 

Thanks for the kind words. If I can get him to do more I will post fo sho. 

[InkaUtexas 25937]

5 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

The Exocet in Falklands that got the British ship is pretty close.  

Argentina lost the Belgrano to a sub. A few other ships were hit. I cannot think of a more recent loss of a Flagship since then. Damn Russia, your navy sucks more than your army. 

[Sbbruin 21853]

1 hour ago, shakahorn said:

I thought it was reported that he had a heart attack back in early March?  He disappeared for a couple of weeks, then just reappeared with no explanation.  Now he's had another heart attack?  Who is he, Fred Sanford?

Yeah, but this is the Big One.

[Foosters 17856]

Just learned that my 66 year old father is getting on a plane to Frankfurt and will be flying into Krakow tomorrow. He's rented an Airbnb and a van and will be shuttling refugees from border into Krakow. He's been in touch with a friend who was doing the same so there's an existing setup and still need for help. He's bringing 250 backpacks in 10 duffel bags to hand out to folks when they cross. He's a good dude.

Edited April 14, 2022 by Foosters
Backpacks

[BabaYaga 15297]

13 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah--we have our missiles in the magazine.

I can't imagine that they actually store the missiles in those missile tubes that are on the deck.  Surely those are only launch tubes.  Because aside from the danger of having highly explosive missiles right there on your decks, they'd be exposed to the elements.  And those are the launch tubes for your anti-ship missiles, and given that Ukraine doesn't have a navy you wouldn't expect those to be needed.  So surely they were empty, right?

They're stored externally due to the size of the ordinance and much easier to reload.  They are contained in those launch tubes and sealed to protect them from the elements.  Whether anti-ship needed or not, you can't just take them off nor would they want to in case things pop off and there is an escalation.  

[InkaUtexas 25937]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Just learned that my 66 year old father is getting on a plane to Frankfurt and will be flying into Krakow tomorrow. He's rented an Airbnb and a van and will be shuttling refugees from border into Krakow. He's been in touch with a friend who was doing the same so there's an existing setup and still need for help. He's bringing 250 backups in 10 duffel bags to hand out to folks when they cross. He's a good dude.

Set up a Go Fund. I am sure the Surl would toss in a taco or two. 

[RDCanecutter 26442]

10 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Feel free to post. Told him it was pretty damn good. 

It was.

[InkaUtexas 25937]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

It was.

Thanks man. From a scholar like you with your sense of humor I will accept it. 

[TexasEd 8067]

48 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Russian terrorists fired on Gorky Park in Kharkiv.

 

 

[TexasEd 8067]

24 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah--we have our missiles in the magazine.

I can't imagine that they actually store the missiles in those missile tubes that are on the deck.  Surely those are only launch tubes.  Because aside from the danger of having highly explosive missiles right there on your decks, they'd be exposed to the elements.  And those are the launch tubes for your anti-ship missiles, and given that Ukraine doesn't have a navy you wouldn't expect those to be needed.  So surely they were empty, right?

  

8 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They're stored externally due to the size of the ordinance and much easier to reload.  They are contained in those launch tubes and sealed to protect them from the elements.  Whether anti-ship needed or not, you can't just take them off nor would they want to in case things pop off and there is an escalation.  

 

It has been reported they used those missiles to launch against land based targets.

Edited April 14, 2022 by TexasEd

[AUS-97HORN 11761]

I know the Neptune missles are brand new.  any idea if they can be aircraft mounted?  

 

that would be huge if they could be.... would allow 1-2 of the UKa Mig's to maybe fly out 30-40 miles into the black sea and make sure they could hit her in Sevestopol and any support ships helping her out.   might be a way to wipe out the entire Russian defensive fleet off UKa

[BabaYaga 15297]

6 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

  

 

It has been reported they used those missiles to launch against land based targets.

Good catch - forgot about that.  

[InkaUtexas 25937]

Cleaning my fish tanks and still laughing. They lost their damn flagship. Don't care how Use this for full propaganda. A farmer swam out there with a limpet mine. Who cares. The Moscow (of all cities) is chugging back to it base to lick its wounds. Hammer it again once in port. Sink that fucker. 

[InkaUtexas 25937]

2 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I know the Neptune missles are brand new.  any idea if they can be aircraft mounted?  

 

that would be huge if they could be.... would allow 1-2 of the UKa Mig's to maybe fly out 30-40 miles into the black sea and make sure they could hit her in Sevestopol and any support ships helping her out.   might be a way to wipe out the entire Russian defensive fleet off UKa

All I have seen is they are ground launched. But what is the fire control on that ship like right now? Radar? Navy experts wanna chime in please. 

[MissingInAction 25075]

12 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

My bet is that for two cents, the Poles would swarm into Russia with a rusty bayonet in one hand, and a bottle of wodka in the other.

Hanging with my polish crew a couple weeks ago and after a few na zdrowies they are ready to parachute into red square.

[SaucyJack 3488]

16 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

 

Just saw the Scorpions in Las Vegas. They’re playing “Winds” with altered lyrics in homage to Ukraine.

[TexasEd 8067]

9 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I know the Neptune missles are brand new.  any idea if they can be aircraft mounted?  

 

that would be huge if they could be.... would allow 1-2 of the UKa Mig's to maybe fly out 30-40 miles into the black sea and make sure they could hit her in Sevestopol and any support ships helping her out.   might be a way to wipe out the entire Russian defensive fleet off UKa

1. They are pretty big at over 5m or >15 feet and launched from shore

2. Ukraine does not have aircraft to spare.

3. They have a range of 190 miles.  Odesa and Mykolaiv are 180 miles and Kherson is 140 miles away

 

[Ghost of LL 15531]

30 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They're stored externally due to the size of the ordinance and much easier to reload.  They are contained in those launch tubes and sealed to protect them from the elements.  Whether anti-ship needed or not, you can't just take them off nor would they want to in case things pop off and there is an escalation.  

Huh.  Well, that sounds like it might be a bit of a design flaw.

[SaucyJack 3488]

7 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

Just saw the Scorpions in Las Vegas. They’re playing “Winds” with altered lyrics in homage to Ukraine.

From Wiki:

Starting from Las Vegasresidency shows in April 2022, the opening lines from this song has been updated to "Now listen to my heart/It says Ukrania/listening to the wind to change".

[RDCanecutter 26442]

1 hour ago, Orange&White said:

I think it was stated that the first heart attack was that he actually went to North Korea for a while to try and buy some weapons from Kim Jung.

People sitting on Death Row have better future prospects than Russian Generals these days.

[MillerEP 30455]

 

[MillerEP 30455]

Yesterday, Putin again mentioned "genocide in Donbas" as an excuse to attack Ukraine. Of course, this is a blatant lie. The number of civilian casualties dropped sharply after the signing of the Minsk agreements and the end of the active phase of the conflict. Here is the data from the report of the OSHR mission:

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Moreover, most of those killed in recent years are victims of mine warfare. People were blown up by mines, of which there are more than 20 thousand on both sides. An important detail: almost a third of those killed by shelling are residents of the territories of Donbass controlled by Ukraine (OSCE data)

 2/5

Conclusion: from the statistics accumulated by international independent missions, it is obvious that the "genocide in Donbass" is an invention of Putin's propaganda to justify the attack on Ukraine.

 Links: https://ukraine.un.org/en/151093-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine-8-october-2021
https://osce.org/files/f/documents/1/f/487885.pdf

 5/5

 

^This is true, but how crazy is it, that 18 people in total died in the Donbas region last year, but this was their justification for the displacement of over 4 million people and the systematic rape and murder of tens of thousands in Mariupol alone and hundreds in other areas. 

Edited April 14, 2022 by MillerEP

[RDCanecutter 26442]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Will do. Yeah, he loves that style and is the reason I still collect Calvin and Hobbes. With the loss of my Stepmom in December I am on his ass to draw more. Might just have to drive up to see him, show him these comments and build him a studio. 

Thanks for the kind words. If I can get him to do more I will post fo sho. 

Yeah, he's got a good fast style. Definitely encourage him to do a few hundred more, and to do them fast.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Short documentary on the Ukrainian railway war effort.  On board a round trip from Lviv to Kyiv, men returning to enlist after escorting their families to Lviv/border, then women, children, and the elderly continuing to evacuate.

(24 minutes, but it has subtitles so can watch at 1.5 speed and catch everything in 16 minutes)

 

[Clintonaldo 2574]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Regardless of the ships overall condition, if there was any substantial fire, the electronics are toast.  You can't rewire a ship like that in a couple of days.  

The can if one of their dad’s is a televsion repairman and has the ultimate set of tools. 

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

Russian terrorists fired on Gorky Park in Kharkiv.

 

 Glad William Hurt missed this.

fools.  They should have used the Wings of Change song by Scorpions

Quote

Follow the Moskva
Down to Gorky Park
Listening to the wind of change
An August summer night
Soldiers passing by

Listening to the wind of change
The world is closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close, like brothers

 

 

Quote

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Nivek

[686 3449]

So thinking about trying to sink the Moskva; I was looking at where they’d take her in Sevastopol. Looks like when Google flew it earlier this year she was docked just down the way from the big dry dock they’d probably head for. Lots of tall buildings and shit in the way to try and hit her again in the harbor; I’d try to hit it again tonight while she’s still at sea.

[clapclapclap 9000]

 

She should see a doctor ASAP, just 2 periods sounds like they are exercising way too much.

Edited April 14, 2022 by clapclapclap

[Trey3216 15346]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

They're stored externally due to the size of the ordinance and much easier to reload.  They are contained in those launch tubes and sealed to protect them from the elements.  Whether anti-ship needed or not, you can't just take them off nor would they want to in case things pop off and there is an escalation.  

You know what they say about salt water....you can't seal anything from salt water.  

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

13 minutes ago, 686 said:

So thinking about trying to sink the Moskva; I was looking at where they’d take her in Sevastopol. Looks like when Google flew it earlier this year she was docked just down the way from the big dry dock they’d probably head for. Lots of tall buildings and shit in the way to try and hit her again in the harbor; I’d try to hit it again tonight while she’s still at sea.

Shit, fuck up the drydock and those big oil tanks while you're at it. 

[MillerEP 30455]

[RDCanecutter 26442]

Navy/Missile guys: I was looking at Russian footage of them shooting AA missiles from the Moskva against that Bayraktar. The little air defense missile would sort of bloop up out of the launcher, hang there, then the propellant would fire and off it'd go.

It looked like a wonder of precision engineering, something that would have to be well-maintained by well-trained crew. And it's on a ship full of Russians.

What are the odds that one of those things managed to arm itself, then for some reason nose-dived back into the deck? Maybe not big enough to sink a ship, but look there's something else explosive underneath?

Everything Russian seems to have the vibe of drunk dudes playing with bottle rockets at a gas station.

[Trey3216 15346]

15 minutes ago, 686 said:

So thinking about trying to sink the Moskva; I was looking at where they’d take her in Sevastopol. Looks like when Google flew it earlier this year she was docked just down the way from the big dry dock they’d probably head for. Lots of tall buildings and shit in the way to try and hit her again in the harbor; I’d try to hit it again tonight while she’s still at sea.

I'd send some helos on a borderline suicide mission and hit that fuel depot and the Moscow at the same time.  Have a SEAL team off the coast in rapid response vessels to scoop em up.   

[texasdago 7573]

Honestly, does anyone in the world relieve believe Putin's BS?  I think we're at the point where everyone knows Putin and his regime are lying non-stop.  The only ones who support him don't support him because they feel it is a moral obligation to back these fabrications... its just because they don't like us.  "Them" vs the West.  That's it.  Putin should just stop lying but I know that's not in his DNA.

[686 3449]

Shit, fuck up the drydock and those big oil tanks while you're at it. 

I’m pretty sure those are dry grain storage. I’m all for screwing up the dock, but cruise missiles coming from the north I would think would have a good chance of being hit by Russian SAMs (I mean you would think the Ruskies would stage anti air defense around their port, but maybe they were counting on the Moskva for that?…)

How many Neptunes does Ukraine have?

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

11 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Navy/Missile guys: I was looking at Russian footage of them shooting AA missiles from the Moskva against that Bayraktar. The little air defense missile would sort of bloop up out of the launcher, hang there, then the propellant would fire and off it'd go.

It looked like a wonder of precision engineering, something that would have to be well-maintained by well-trained crew. And it's on a ship full of Russians.

What are the odds that one of those things managed to arm itself, then for some reason nose-dived back into the deck? Maybe not big enough to sink a ship, but look there's something else explosive underneath?

Everything Russian seems to have the vibe of drunk dudes playing with bottle rockets at a gas station.

One thing to me that makes Ukraine's claim stronger is the fact that the remainder of the Russian fleet has backed off a bit. Why if it was a mistake? 

[utee94 15823]

1 minute ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

One thing to me that makes Ukraine's claim stronger is the fact that the remainder of the Russian fleet has backed off a bit. Why if it was a mistake? 

Maybe they're just trying to get away from the idiots on the Moscow that drunkenly blew themselves up?

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by utee94

[Trey3216 15346]

7 minutes ago, 686 said:

I’m pretty sure those are dry grain storage. I’m all for screwing up the dock, but cruise missiles coming from the north I would think would have a good chance of being hit by Russian SAMs (I mean you would think the Ruskies would stage anti air defense around their port, but maybe they were counting on the Moskva for that?…)

How many Neptunes does Ukraine have?

The big grey things may be dry grain storage (also highly flammable) but there is most certainly fuel at the edge of that dock where the Moscow sits in the photo.  

[MillerEP 30455]

Trophy T-72B3M in the Donetsk region

Destroyed BMP-2 racists.

 

[MillerEP 30455]

^👀

[InkaUtexas 25937]

58 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Yeah, he's got a good fast style. Definitely encourage him to do a few hundred more, and to do them fast.

His drawing from Vietnam were the best. Thanks man. 

[jofus 2266]

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