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3 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

I think you (everyone) grossly underestimate how much Russians support this war. Propaganda or not.

This is not Putin’s war. This is Russia’s war. 

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

As sanctions makes their lives more miserable, it will get worse.   That is not a country of educated critical thinkers.   Think giant Mississippi. 

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They don’t, or won’t, see “we are doing this to you because you fight.”  They will see/hear “we are fighting because they are doing this to us.”

If Putin is having to write new laws even now, to do things like prevent Russians from talking about the USSR and Nazi Germany in WWII because people are talking about it, then Putin has problems.   He keeps censoring more and more of Russian society, and they know this since it’s publicized on the state-run media.  

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1 hour ago, Pods said:

Keep laughing at Vlad and making jokes at his expense.

Zelenskyy says Putin is afraid of humor, calling comedy a 'powerful weapon' for spreading truth

https://www.businessinsider.com/zelenskyy-says-putin-is-afraid-of-humor-calls-comedy-a-powerful-weapon-2022-4

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Zelenskyy says Putin is afraid of humor, calling comedy a 'powerful weapon' for spreading truth

John Haltiwanger

Apr 15, 2022, 2:00 PM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy speaks during an interview with the Associated Press in his office in Kyiv, Ukraine, Saturday, April 9, 2022.

Evgeniy Maloletka/Associated Press

Zelenskyy in a new interview with the Atlantic said Putin is "very much" afraid of humor.

He said humor is a "powerful weapon" for telling the truth, which Putin fears.

Ukrainians have used humor to combat Russian disinformation. 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a new interview with the Atlantic said that Russian President Vladimir Putin fears humor "very much" because it's an effective, accessible tool for spreading truth.

"Jesters were allowed to tell the truth in ancient kingdoms," but Putin "fears the truth," he said. 

"Complex mechanisms and political formulations are difficult for humans to grasp. But through humor, it's easy; it's a shortcut," Zelenskyy added, describing comedy as a "powerful weapon." 

Zelenskyy, a former TV star and comedian, said he doesn't think "normal people" can "survive" without humor.

"Without a sense of humor, as surgeons say, they would not be able to perform surgeries—to save lives and to lose people as well," he said. "They would simply lose their minds without humor."

Ukraine has often turned to comedy as a means of fighting Russian propaganda,sharing memes that discredit or ridicule false information or narratives spread by the Kremlin. Ukrainians have also turned to humor as a means of coping with the hardships that come with fighting and living through a war.

Humor is an "outlet for releasing excessive aggression so that we are not engulfed in fear," Kyiv resident Olexander Lisenko told Al Jazeera last month.

Zelenskyy in his interview with the Atlantic said that for Ukraine to have a secure future then Russians need to be confronted with the facts about their own history and what they've done to Ukraine. Russia has been widely accused of committing war crimes in Ukraine. President Joe Biden earlier this week described Russia's brutal actions and tactics in Ukraine as "genocide," employing politically charged term that's rarely used by US presidents in making allegations against other countries. 

Russia has vehemently denied involvement in atrocities in Ukraine, pushing conspiracy theories in the process. The Russian government, for example, claimed that images of dead civilians in Bucha, Ukraine, were staged or fabricated after its troops withdrew from the town. But satellite imagery showed the bodies of dead civilians scattered in the streets weeks before Russian soldiers pulled out. 

Zelenskyy said Russians "are afraid to admit guilt," describing them as "alcoholics [who] don't admit that they are alcoholic."

Russia has gone to extraordinary lengths to censor information on the war, and those that protest or speak out risk prison time or worse. Putin's opponents have a history of winding up dying in violent ways, or landing behind bars. Jailed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, Putin's most prominent critic, in late March tweeted, "Words have power, Putin is afraid of the truth, I have always said that." 

 

So in addition to being short in stature, Vlad is also short in temperament?

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 The Russian army destroyed 9 cemeteries in Kharkiv, including the monument to Polish prisoners of war and 493 victims of the Katyn massacre.

 Source: 
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The village of Yahidne in the Chernihiv region after liberation from Russian troops

 It was under Russian occupation for almost a month. 1/2

 

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2 hours ago, Armybrat said:

So in addition to being short in stature, Vlad is also short in temperament?

They got little hands
And little eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

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27 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

...it’s another matter defeating a well-trained and competent Russian tank crew with the latest hardware. It would be exceedingly unlikely for a professional Russian crew to make rookie mistakes such as leaving the hatch open during a battle knowing full well that it would disable the active protection system.

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Ukrainians trading dead Russians for live Ukrainians

https://kyivindependent.com/national/how-ukraine-swaps-living-soldiers-for-dead-russians/

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None of the assault’s participants had any identification documents with them. “They simply take the IDs away from them before the attack,” Ukrainian soldiers say. 

“No service cards, no dog tags, nothing. We don’t get it – did their commanders believe they would fight harder if left to die nameless?” 

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Some of their names are recovered anyway. Among the rubbish falling off the destroyed BMPs, one can find a couple of Russian bank cards bearing their owner’s name: “Aleksandr Gagarin.” 

It is impossible to know which of the nameless bodies used to respond to that name in life.

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Another piece of evidence is a name tape, knifed off a killed soldier’s fatigues: “Lubsandabayev B.N.” 

A simple search of Russian social networks indicates that a man named Bair Nikolaevich Lubsandabayev, an ethnic Buryat, was most likely 24 years old, born in the town of Tsagatui between Lake Baikal and the Mongolian border. 

His mother Ariuna is an elementary school teacher in Tsagatui, and he has a sister named Ayana. 

In his school years, he was fond of futsal and nature studies, as mentioned in local newspapers. 

A Russian military publication says in December 2018 he graduated from Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School in the city of Blagoveschensk and later served with “a motor rifle brigade in the Orenburg Oblast” — that is, the 21st Guards Motor Rifle Brigade. 

By all appearances, he was killed in that attack near Rusaniv — 5,000 kilometers away from his hometown in Buryatia.

The rest of Lubsandabayev’s comrades in arms remained nameless to the Ukrainian troops.

 

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44 minutes ago, F250 said:

Is there any example of a military being this incompetent in modern history?

 

Iraq was talked up a lot before Desert Storm, but they also ran in to a gigantic buzzsaw, so might be hard to tell.  They and the Iranians had a helluva war right before that.

Might not be "modern," but Italians in WW2 maybe?  Austrians and Italians in WW1?  They spent like 3 years fighting over one river valley.

The Japanese specifically fucking sucked at damage control in WW2, like the Russians do now.

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1 hour ago, MadBurgerMaker said:

Iraq was talked up a lot before Desert Storm, but they also ran in to a gigantic buzzsaw, so might be hard to tell.  They and the Iranians had a helluva war right before that.

Might not be "modern," but Italians in WW2 maybe?  Austrians and Italians in WW1?  They spent like 3 years fighting over one river valley.

The Japanese specifically fucking sucked at damage control in WW2, like the Russians do now.

Yeah, but the Japanese Navy, and their long accurate torpedos, put the fucking hurt on us early in the war before we could bring our air power to bear.  I think our sea record at Guadalcanal was 1-4-1 or something like that. 

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14 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Yeah, but the Japanese Navy, and their long accurate torpedos, put the fucking hurt on us early in the war before we could bring our air power to bear.  I think our sea record at Guadalcanal was 1-4-1 or something like that. 

Yeah they weren't (aren't) a bunch of fuckups in general like the Russians, but they sucked at DC for sure.  They'd lose that cruiser too.

I suppose the argument could be made that after the highly trained combat vets were mostly dead their military was full of dipshits, but that's kind of a different deal I think.  They didn't just start out that way.

 

E:  Oh maybe the armies of the countries invading Israel in 48 or whenever it was might apply to that.  All signs pointed to an asskicking, but didn't happen.

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31 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Nah, the Ukrainian flag fliers of 2022 are the equivalent of Kony tweets from years ago. Putin can get fucked.

Yes, showing support for a nation fighting for it's right to self determination is same-same with a social media meme from 2012.

Fuck outta here

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Counterpoint: He had Putin’s blessing to put that out there, as a means to set up a military leader as a another scapegoat.  

This. Anything that goes wrong will be blamed on someone, anyone, other than Vlad. The Vlad will repeat his refrain of “only I can save Russia from these traitors.” It’ll work.
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2 hours ago, StruggleBus said:

Nah, the Ukrainian flag fliers of 2022 are the equivalent of Kony tweets from years ago. Putin can get fucked.

 I sent my $20 to Live Aid, I paid my guilty conscious to go away!

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