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[MillerEP 30339]

At one of the sections of the SSO front, they saw the Russians bring ammunition for their anti-RPG weapons. Assessing the situation, the SSO operators were the first to attack without delay. The missiles of the Ukrainian ATGM from the first shot accurately hit the enemy, destroying them together with the newly brought ammunition. 🇺🇦

It is reported that the Russian Ka-52 together with the crew is burning down in Kharkiv region.

 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[686 3404]

How do you reckon they're going to get up the Bosphorus? 

Exactly. The Montreux Convention doesn’t allow non-Black Sea navy’s ships with guns larger than 8” to pass (missiles are in dispute I think), and closes the strait to all non-Black Sea navy access during a conflict. We’re not sailing up the straight unless something really changes, that’s why Turkey’s navy needs to go get that grain, and tell Russia that firing on the Turkish escorted convoy will be an act of war and will trigger Article 5 of NATO. Then we could help defend Turkey, and they could maybe grant us access to the Bosphorus to aid in their defense (per my understanding) without breaking the Convention. We have a Carrier Strike Group in the western Med right now. If Russia shoots at the Turks or sinks a grain freighter under escort, (likely using their subs which all put to sea about a week ago) I would like to see someone sink that sub in retaliation.

That said, “this business will get out of hand and we’ll be lucky to live through it”.

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[The Dog 43792]

7 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Regarding the last one:

 

[InkaUtexas 25497]

GoFundMe time? What do we have in the wreath fund? If we sponsor it can we put the Surly logo on it? If so I have tree fiddy

 

[MillerEP 30339]

Well, that's all. Thank you from the shelters of Azovstal - the place of my death and my life.

By the way, while I am in captivity, I will leave you photos in the best quality, send them to all journalistic awards and photo contests, if I win something, it will be very nice after the release. Thank you all for your support. See ❤️

[RDCanecutter 26249]

On 5/19/2022 at 2:35 PM, MillerEP said:

Dumbass should have stayed in Mexico. As an average-looking white boy he could have walked into the clubs and have all the cutest (and richest) girls trying to meet him. Weather even nicer than Crimea. Could have told people he hated the US and he'd be fine.

[Pato del Muerto 52340]

44 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

They won't be able to unless Turkey flips, I'm just shitposting, but generally, I'm saying if they get cargo ships in there under guard, I doubt Russia will do much.

Let’s play a game. We put some serious naval power in the eastern med, get their jimmies good and rustled, then kick them out of nato. 
 

does it get us permission to sail on by into the black, no it probably doesn’t.   Might make for some good theater though. 

[InkaUtexas 25497]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Let’s play a game. We put some serious naval power in the eastern med, get their jimmies good and rustled, then kick them out of nato. 
 

does it get us permission to sail on by into the black, no it probably doesn’t.   Might make for some good theater though. 

They surround our base, join the Russian camp, and eventually get our nukes. 

The world will have to weather the storm. One thing that is going on is China's stockpiling of grain and soy. Convince South America to put it into the Donor coffers. Brazilian President won't, but Argentina is about to have severe economic problems, yet again, and some debt relief could be worked out I am sure. A boat of grain = this much debt relief. 

Or what about sanctions for hoarding food? The issue is not only Ukraine, but that is probably better for a new thread in the CR. 

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[InkaUtexas 25497]

Hell yeah! Joy riding in a BMP. 

About Moldova. Arm them up. Conduct exercises, say 20K NATO Troops on a Peacekeeping preparation mission. Surround the Russians there. Trade 1 Russian troop for 2 Ukrainians captured in the mill. Russian Officers count as .5

Get those POW's out of russia, and remove the potential threat at your back. 

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[utee94 15745]

13 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

 

I anticipate it will only take a few days before the US has to crackdown on American creepers and weirdos accepting only young female Ukrainian refugees, same way the UK did.

And 98.2% of those creepers and weirdos will have surly handles.

[InkaUtexas 25497]

OK, so back to reopening ports. Sure, Harpoons would devastate their fleet, but have we been training the Ukrainians to use them? If not will take some time. No idea how long so perhaps one of our Navy Experts can chime in. Reuters article says 14 days. Another challenge cited is these are not land based systems. 

Another thing to be considered is I am sure some Eastern European countries that use Russian aircraft have anti-ship missiles. Looking at you Poland and Romania. 

Reuters article, then Twitter link. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-us-aims-arm-ukraine-with-advanced-anti-ship-missiles-fight-russian-2022-05-19/

 

 

[Chad Fuck 17557]

6 minutes ago, utee94 said:

I anticipate it will only take a few days before the US has to crackdown on American creepers and weirdos accepting only young female Ukrainian refugees, same way the UK did.

And 98.2% of those creepers and weirdos will have surly handles.

[0xdeadbeef 1626]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

It's pretty bad-ass to know your mayor could beat the shit out of the mayor of every other city on earth.

Glory to Ukraine.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by 0xdeadbeef

[686 3404]

Lukashenko is not a smart man. This makes me believe Zeihan’s theory that the Russian/Belorussian schools really only do teach propaganda anymore.

[Gatorubet 30083]

49 minutes ago, utee94 said:

I anticipate it will only take a few days before the US has to crackdown on American creepers and weirdos accepting only young female Ukrainian refugees, same way the UK did.

And 98.2% of those creepers and weirdos will have surly handles.

він наносить лосьйон на шкіру або знову отримує шланг

[utee94 15745]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

він наносить лосьйон на шкіру або знову отримує шланг

I'm not about to put that into Google Translate and have it in my search history...

 

 

[OU Sucks 8745]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

I anticipate it will only take a few days before the US has to crackdown on American creepers and weirdos accepting only young female Ukrainian refugees, same way the UK did.

And 98.2% of those creepers and weirdos will have surly handles.

Oh, so because I asked the DHS "how do I access the database of wimminz' photos?", I'm the bad guy?  Just trying to make a difference in the life of a young Ukranian lady here*.  Shame on you.

*no fatties allowed

[atomheartbevo 89409]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

I anticipate it will only take a few days before the US has to crackdown on American creepers and weirdos accepting only young female Ukrainian refugees, same way the UK did.

And 98.2% of those creepers and weirdos will have surly handles.

[atomheartbevo 89409]

5 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Orcs trying to erase culture. Anyone see any military targets around? 

On the one hand, really sucks, and shows just how childish Russia's leadership is.

On the other hand, every missile wasted on a non-military target is one more missile Russia could have used later on to help Russian soldiers.

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So if they are chasing the after-40 crowd like somebody mentioned above, I'm wondering if some/many in the over-40 crowd are more enthusiastic about fighting Ukraine than the under-40 crowd.

 

[atomheartbevo 89409]

We focus on the genocidal aspects of what Russia has been doing, but a good argument to be made that we treat Russia like fascists as well.  Fascists with nukes, to be sure.

Of course, arguably we are doing some of the same things already if we just came out and said it, and I think everybody now understands that if we had not backed Ukraine in this fight and Russia had rolled through Ukraine, they'd be knocking on Moldova's door.

 

[686 3404]

Ukrainians erased a decent size convoy here:

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That big-ass mortar the Russians like to use

 

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One of those special operations types killed on Snake Island a few weeks ago.

The first picture had to be taken in Ukraine, given that it's a functional washing machine.

 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[The Dog 43792]

 

[Nivek 16852]

Who doesn't think they are a kleptocratic fascist state?  This isn't some kind of revelation. 

 

[atomheartbevo 89409]

Pretty good shape for 50.  Well, was in pretty good shape.

 

[atomheartbevo 89409]

Closing in on 600 verified Russian officers.  These are only listed if they've been seen on Russian social media/news, or state releases/funeral processions/etc.

Nearly 40 battalions' worth of commanders, over 100 companies' worth of commanders.

 

[atomheartbevo 89409]

NATO escorting Russian aircraft near the Baltic states.

The aircraft above.  You'd think the Russians would be more concerned with supporting their mission in Ukraine, but gotta try to distract NATO or something.

 

[The Dog 43792]

 

now to get it out 

[Parliament 14128]

Not downplaying the challenge, but they have until mid-Sept to iron out truck and rail logistics. Farmers are incredibly adaptive.  Grain companies are always in it for a buck.  They'll figure it out.

[The Dog 43792]

 

[686 3404]

One of those special operations types killed on Snake Island a few weeks ago.
[/url] The first picture had to be taken in Ukraine, given that it's a functional washing machine.
 

Nice Punisher logo. It really makes things easy from a graphic design perspective when you can just use all the American/western graphics without worry because your populous has little access to outside media to realize you plagiarize as much as possible from the entity you blame all of your troubles on. I guess imitation and flattery, etc.

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Pods 7526]

8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

We can discuss all we want if Ukraine's war is genocide. Hard to state that. But it surely falls into the category of Ethnic Cleansing. 

UN's definition. 

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/ethnic-cleansing.shtml

Russia has done all the things Bolded in the spoiler. 

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The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others. 

 

It's like Russia is playing Potemkin Go and has to catch them all.  

[NorthLoop 14083]

33 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Scotland might have something to say about that. 

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

Wow, if we are selling them Patriot systems, they can secure Western Ukraine and probably push an air defense bubble out into the contested areas of Eastern Ukraine

And HIMARS can provide a pretty decent sized cushion for artillery - really hammer at their ammo depots, rail supply areas, etc.

[686 3404]

Not downplaying the challenge, but they have until mid-Sept to iron out truck and rail logistics. Farmers are incredibly adaptive.  Grain companies are always in it for a buck.  They'll figure it out.

I appreciate your optimism, but wheat, barley, and rye harvest starts in July.




Hopefully they have plenty of silo space available to store if logistics aren’t sorted. The fact that we’re already talking about sending Harpoons, etc. means we’re taking it seriously which is great. Even if the Ukrainians sink another couple surface ships, I still feel like the psychopath Russians will stage their subs to try to torpedo the freighters. They still think they will get traction blaming a famine on us somehow.

Whoever sends freighters and escorts needs to have a live video feed of the boats if possible and make a Don Corelone homage declaration that if a freighter should get shot in the head, or hang itself in its jail cell, or be struck by a bolt of lightning — then there will be blame cast upon some with boats in the Black Sea and no forgiveness. Haul the grain largely straight to Africa / Turkey and publish the whole thing and take a humanitarian victory lap. If I was the blockade running country, I would spring to have bags printed at the destination ports (like USAID does) that say something like “this grain was brought past Russian blockades by me at mortal risk to avert famine in your country. As-salamu alaykum. Go with God. May we meet one day as friends… (P.S. I would value your warm recollections of this event and forbearance regarding my future military or political maneuvers that may trespass against you, or those that have in the past. Very truly yours, etc..)”

[statsman 5421]

3 hours ago, Nivek said:

Who doesn't think they are a kleptocratic fascist state?  This isn't some kind of revelation. 

 

There are different definitions for fascist-

 1. Nationalist, authoritarian, state directed economy. 
2. Somebody to the right of my position. 
3. Opponent of Russia. 
 
#1 is the best definition with 2 and 3 overused. 

[686 3404]

Things just got a lot classier in Ukraine:

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The New York Times goes Chamberlain:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/america-ukraine-war-support.amp.html

 

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That goal cannot shift, but in the end, it is still not in America’s best interest to plunge into an all-out war with Russia, even if a negotiated peace may require Ukraine to make some hard decisions. And the U.S. aims and strategy in this war have become harder to discern, as the parameters of the mission appear to have changed.

Is the United States, for example, trying to help bring an end to this conflict, through a settlement that would allow for a sovereign Ukraine and some kind of relationship between the United States and Russia? Or is the United States now trying to weaken Russia permanently? Has the administration’s goal shifted to destabilizing Vladimir Putin or having him removed? Does the United States intend to hold Mr. Putin accountable as a war criminal? Or is the goal to try to avoid a wider war — and if so, how does crowing about providing U.S. intelligence to kill Russians and sink one of their ships achieve this?

This is duplicitous language. There is an argument here but the NYT does not want to make it. They need to outline what the “difficult decision” is. “Ukraine should give up more of its territory and surrender its citizens to Russian occupiers who will torture and murder them.” And what kind of “relationship” with Russia does the NYT propose? 
 

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Americans have been galvanized by Ukraine’s suffering, but popular support for a war far from U.S. shores will not continue indefinitely. Inflation is a much bigger issue for American voters than Ukraine, and the disruptions to global food and energy markets are likely to intensify.

 

 

“Vladimir Putin was right. His poor, frozen, oppressed nation can simply wait out democracies. It’s time to admit his strategy of sparking a food and energy crisis is a good one and it’s the way for him to get what he wants, now and in the future.” 

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4 hours ago, 686 said:

I still feel like the psychopath Russians will stage their subs to try to torpedo the freighters. They still think they will get traction blaming a famine on us somehow.

What is the worst thing they could do if Ukraine was trying to ship grain to Africa/Middle East/etc.?

Take their submarines and sink slow-moving big-ass freighters carrying lots of life-saving grain, destroying the cargo and killing the crews.

Because they are fucking Russia, and that is exactly what Putin will do at this point, given their propensity for targeting schools, hospitals, shelters, etc. inside of Ukraine.

If Poland/Germany/etc. are able to step up and actually get the grain out on rail, and get it to ports, and put it on non-Ukrainian ships, wonder if the Russians would fuck around.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

What is the worst thing they could do if Ukraine was trying to ship grain to Africa/Middle East/etc.?

Take their submarines and sink slow-moving big-ass freighters carrying lots of life-saving grain, destroying the cargo and killing the crews.

Because they are fucking Russia, and that is exactly what Putin will do at this point, given their propensity for targeting schools, hospitals, shelters, etc. inside of Ukraine.

If Poland/Germany/etc. are able to step up and actually get the grain out on rail, and get it to ports, and put it on non-Ukrainian ships, wonder if the Russians would fuck around.

The Russians don’t really need to sink anything.  Marine insurers and shippers are insisting that the ships in Ukraine stay there and won’t let new vessels try to run the blockade. I think it’s far more likely that the Russians would target port infrastructure and lay more mines as opposed to merchant shipping as such.  I don’t think Putin would want the image of Russian forces actually sending a third country ship full of grain to the bottom while there are better ways of doing this.  Rail is an option but again the Russians will target rail hubs and other key points. Russia has figured out that this particular issue is a real pain point for the West and will do whatever they can to maintain that pressure as invisibly as possible. 

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I should lay out why I think pushing or even making a “negotiated settlement” is inadvisable for us and the West strategically. 
 

- Food security and energy blackmail will be a demonstrated, proven weapon in Putin’s arsenal.  We would need to expect that it will be deployed early and often in subsequent clashes as Putin will ALWAYS use weapons he believes works.  It is far better to absorb the pain now and build systems that are not subject to Russian manipulation, THEN negotiate. 
 

- If we give the green light to push for concessions, wavering Allies in Europe will go further. They will seek to ease rising inflation by blaming Ukraine for not conceding enough. And they will use Ukraine’s failure to negotiate quickly enough as an excuse to unwind pressure on Russia.  This is as much an exercise in keeping Europeans focused as it is an exercise in pressing Russia. It needs to be publicly unthinkable for responsible European leaders to suggest that Ukraine concede because the next logical step is “and if they don’t, they’re being unreasonable and we are justified in dealing with Russia.”

- There is no reason to believe Putin would accept a negotiated settlement as a win he is satisfied with even in the short term. He failed in his primary aims and we should expect him to revisit those in the near future. The Russian experience in Chechnya is illustrative, the Russians got mauled in the first war, negotiated a settlement no one was happy with, then came back with a vengeance under Putin. Any agreement with Putin should be viewed as a pause in the war and it it’s conclusion. 
 

- Ukrainians do not want to surrender or concede and doing so will be a heavy blow for democratic governance in that nation.  Whoever signs away Ukrainian land will be disgraced and whomever comes next a likely demagogue, irresponsible populist with a bone to pick with the West.  We need to get it through our heads that selling out our friends to placate our enemies usually blows up in our faces.