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23 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

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[Gengs1 2583]

Boy the Russians sure want to hit at least one of HIMARS, it’s like the final boss level sort of shit 

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I have no doubt they will finally get one probably in the next month or 2.  while 95% of their shit is trash they do have 5% of the stuff that actually works the way its supposed to, and they can (and probably will) concentrate on taking out one of these units just to prove it can be done.

 

they may use 60% of their top shelf ammo and gear to do it, but they have the technology in place to do relatively instantaneous counter-battery fire.  They just dont want to use it because the Ukraine counter-counter-battery fire will fuck it up afterwards.

but if Russia suicides a few of their best top notch pieces I have no doubt it will result in a destroyed HIMAR that they can then brag about without mentioning they lost 10x the amount of equipment to kill that one deployment system

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4 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

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Yeah......I don't think we can be throwing the "a huge chunk of their population is utter dumbasses" stones...our number on that exact point is 26%.

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Thoughts of china supporting more Russia after the Pelosi trip?

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[Born to Run 6568]

The only country we have fought against since 1776 that treated most of our POWs decently was Nazi Germany.

How much time did you have to spend in The Cooler? Did they let you bring your baseball and glove?

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

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Yeah, I'm not going to start chest-beating about how many Russians don't know things.

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10 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Yeah, I'm not going to start chest-beating about how many Russians don't know things.

Quarter of Americans Convinced Sun Revolves Around Earth, Survey Finds
 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/quarter-americans-convinced-sun-revolves-earth-survey-finds/story?id=22542847
 

just saying 

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4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

The only country we have fought against since 1776 that treated most of our POWs decently was Nazi Germany.

The Germans had (had?) a crazy mechanical approach to their theories and phobias. If your country fit into their "superior Northern European who's not a Slav" category, they'd play by the rules. Everybody knows what they'd do if it didn't. Then there was a middle ground, where you'd find the French and even worse, their fellow Germans because the Germans got sent to the slaughter.

Mrs. Canecutter's maternal grandfather was born German, probably served in the German Army in WW1, then in the 20's he moved to Denmark to work, married a Danish girl, got Danish citizenship. Probably saved his life several different ways. At one point they had a boarder who was either Jewish and/or in the Resistance (story's blurry) and who got ratted out. Grandfather got snatched up by the occupiers and, had he been a German in Germany, and not already sent to the front, his fate no doubt would have been swift. Instead, he's a Dane, and in the cracked noggins of Kraut race-ography, Danes are one notch up the scale of Aryanhood. Even if he was just an Official Dane. So they danced around all legal-like. Still sent him to a camp at Peenemunde.

But then the RAF bombed the fuck out of the V2 rocket plant there, forcing Von Braun to consider job-hopping. It also burned up Grandfather's records. Grandfather the Official Dane. Without records, including the charges, they let him go home.

If he'd still been a German they'd have had him crouching in a ditch with a Panzerfaust waiting for Allied tanks to come around the bend.

Anyway, that's a whole hell of a lot of words to say fuck Germany.

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13 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

Quarter of Americans Convinced Sun Revolves Around Earth, Survey Finds
 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/quarter-americans-convinced-sun-revolves-earth-survey-finds/story?id=22542847
 

just saying 

The sad thing is, with all the cuts to education, that quarter who think that is probably young.

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5 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

The Germans had (had?) a crazy mechanical approach to their theories and phobias. If your country fit into their "superior Northern European who's not a Slav" category, they'd play by the rules. Everybody knows what they'd do if it didn't. Then there was a middle ground, where you'd find the French and even worse, their fellow Germans because the Germans got sent to the slaughter.

Mrs. Canecutter's maternal grandfather was born German, probably served in the German Army in WW1, then in the 20's he moved to Denmark to work, married a Danish girl, got Danish citizenship. Probably saved his life several different ways. At one point they had a boarder who was either Jewish and/or in the Resistance (story's blurry) and who got ratted out. Grandfather got snatched up by the occupiers and, had he been a German in Germany, and not already sent to the front, his fate no doubt would have been swift. Instead, he's a Dane, and in the cracked noggins of Kraut race-ography, Danes are one notch up the scale of Aryanhood. Even if he was just an Official Dane. So they danced around all legal-like. Still sent him to a camp at Peenemunde.

But then the RAF bombed the fuck out of the V2 rocket plant there, forcing Von Braun to consider job-hopping. It also burned up Grandfather's records. Grandfather the Official Dane. Without records, including the charges, they let him go home.

If he'd still been a German they'd have had him crouching in a ditch with a Panzerfaust waiting for Allied tanks to come around the bend.

Anyway, that's a whole hell of a lot of words to say fuck Germany.

Yeah, those sumbitches killed a lot of my dad’s fellow officers in the Bulge.

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Just now, Armybrat said:

Yeah, those sumbitches killed a lot of my dad’s fellow officers in the Bulge.

My own grandfather was at Rochefort during the Bulge. Never got to ask him about it when he was alive, just saw it in a letter-- hiding in a basement, hearing tanks, most scared he'd ever been in his life. He was in an Army Air Corps unit that built bases and serviced P-38s and P-47s etc, normally wouldn't have been on the front, but that concept changed that month.

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5 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Yeah, those sumbitches killed a lot of my dad’s fellow officers in the Bulge.

Yeah, my relatives were Jewish so the European ones got fucked up by the Germans. The ones in Ukraine didn't fair much better except for the ones who escaped to the US.

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cannot make this shit up. 

 

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5 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

Thoughts of china supporting more Russia after the Pelosi trip?

How? With troops? China already wasn’t our friend  

what is your point? How should we let threats affect US policy?

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19 minutes ago, statsman said:

How? With troops? China already wasn’t our friend  

what is your point? How should we let threats affect US policy?

Yeah I agree. China is a lot smarter than Rooskie. A depleted , worthless rooskie army needing billions in future armaments is a what they call in the insurance  biz as a premium rich environment. They want rooskie as depleted as possible, while still maintaining a facade of friendship , as possible. 

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31 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

cannot make this shit up. 

 

That tweet should have ended with "...Dude."

Those Russians and their zany college pranks.

I tolt y'all that smoke grenades burn.

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

How? With troops?

Sending more weapons to Russia.

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1 hour ago, jdhorn92 said:

Yeah I agree. China is a lot smarter than Rooskie. A depleted , worthless rooskie army needing billions in future armaments is a what they call in the insurance  biz as a premium rich environment. They want rooskie as depleted as possible, while still maintaining a facade of friendship , as possible. 

Smarter? Yes. A lot smarter? Pretty debatable. 

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7 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

Thoughts of china supporting more Russia after the Pelosi trip?

1 hour ago, jdhorn92 said:

Yeah I agree. China is a lot smarter than Rooskie. A depleted , worthless rooskie army needing billions in future armaments is a what they call in the insurance  biz as a premium rich environment. They want rooskie as depleted as possible, while still maintaining a facade of friendship , as possible. 

China benefits from a Russia on the ropes, both financially in terms of eventually supplying whatever they can't get or make due to sanctions, but also just in overall geopolitical power/sway.

And a shitload of countries are watching Russian hardware perform like shit and China has got to be thinking about how they can take those contracts from Russia, while at the same time rethinking anything they have based on Russian designs.

53 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Sending more weapons to Russia.

China isn't supplying much, if anything to Russia, particularly in armored vehicles, and the larger systems, etc. otherwise Russia wouldn't be pulling out T-62s, and the OSINT folks would have spotted Chinese armored vehicles, cruise missiles, etc.

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12 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

What's fascinating to me is how Russia has burned, and then pissed on the ashes, of any and all "goodwill" it had built up since the end of the Cold War.

Sure, Russia was ALWAYS a crooked-ass corrupt oligarchy, but other such states have managed to be workable members of "the community of nations," with real international relationships, trade, etc.  As evidenced by the STACK of western companies that operated in Russia (and profitably so), Russia was no different.  It was a player, a member of the G-20 (albeit almost entirely a function of its size, agriculture, and petroleum resources).   You could buy a McDonald's burger, a VW, and a nice purse, and live what most westerners would recognize as a relatively normal life, at least in Moscow and St. Petersburg, where most of the people live.

And in a matter of months -- shit, truly, DAYS -- all of that, poof, gone.  Russia demonstrated itself to be a pariah state, and its people/culture to be so fucking retrograde as to be incompatible with western life and practices.  And for fucking WHAT?

This is sort of the cycle of Russian history going back to Peter the Great at least.  Some perceptive tsar or advisor looks around and says “this is fucked up.  Even the British have it better than us and they live on a rainy rock and drink warm beer. The West has it going on, let’s do it like they do.” 
 

Then they embark on a series of haphazard reforms that don’t get at the heart of the issue (let’s make the peasants shave their beards!), it doesn’t work out, the West keeps you at arm’s length, and the peasants are pissed because they just lost their beards but some venal and frenchified count gets a mansion and the peasant girls and the right to sell timber to the Dutch or some shit.  
 

So a new tsar or advisor comes around and says that Russia is super special and it went wrong when it stopped doing its Own Thing, and first thing is to start repressing the assholes who suggested getting Westernized in the first place.  Then you throw a temper tantrum and lash out at the closest Western-looking object you can find, like Poland; and maybe also put the hurt on some emir to prove that although you’re not “the West,” you’re also for sure not “Asiatic.” And you write pages upon pages about your angst, about how the Poles are assholes and so are the Jesuits, and how the British can never know pure spiritual ecstasy even if they do have the steam engine. 
 

It’s worth remembering that even Communism was an attempt to use a Western idea to fix shit in Russia. 

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Some from Langley Country Club .  Russian generals on February 24th

 

NATO:

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

China isn't supplying much, if anything to Russia, particularly in armored vehicles, and the larger systems, etc. otherwise Russia wouldn't be pulling out T-62s, and the OSINT folks would have spotted Chinese armored vehicles, cruise missiles, etc.

The question was what China could do if it got pissed off about the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.

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5 minutes ago, Bevo said:

The question was what China could do if it got pissed off about the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.

They will fuck around with exercises around Taiwan and call it a day.

They still want a down and out Russia. From a defense industry point of view, it’s potentially a huge shot  in the arm to China’s arms exports, since Russian hardware is looking like shit, and Russia won’t be making much for the export market going forward.  Which benefits the Chinese in their build up in the Pacific, since foreign customers can help defray R&D and production costs.  

Keep in mind that many of the same tactics and hardware in use against Russia could be used against China should they try to invade Taiwan, and China has a 100 mile moat to not 90th cross, but try and keep supplies flowing across.  There’s got to be a lot of concern amongst the Chinese leadership watching Ukraine punch above their weight class.

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They will fuck around with exercises around Taiwan and call it a day.

They still want a down and out Russia. From a defense industry point of view, it’s potentially a huge shot  in the arm to China’s arms exports, since Russian hardware is looking like shit, and Russia won’t be making much for the export market going forward.  Which benefits the Chinese in their build up in the Pacific, since foreign customers can help defray R&D and production costs.  

Keep in mind that many of the same tactics and hardware in use against Russia could be used against China should they try to invade Taiwan, and China has a 100 mile moat to not 90th cross, but try and keep supplies flowing across.  There’s got to be a lot of concern amongst the Chinese leadership watching Ukraine punch above their weight class.

Now do the population of China versus Russia, and the population of Taiwan versus Ukraine, and finally the sheer size of Taiwan versus the size of Ukraine. Ukraine has double the population over 10x the landmass.  
 

You think Russia can throw bodies at a problem? 
 

 

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This is sort of the cycle of Russian history going back to Peter the Great at least.  Some perceptive tsar or advisor looks around and says “this is fucked up.  Even the British have it better than us and they live on a rainy rock and drink warm beer. The West has it going on, let’s do it like they do.” 
 

Then they embark on a series of haphazard reforms that don’t get at the heart of the issue (let’s make the peasants shave their beards!), it doesn’t work out, the West keeps you at arm’s length, and the peasants are pissed because they just lost their beards but some venal and frenchified count gets a mansion and the peasant girls and the right to sell timber to the Dutch or some shit.  
 

So a new tsar or advisor comes around and says that Russia is super special and it went wrong when it stopped doing its Own Thing, and first thing is to start repressing the assholes who suggested getting Westernized in the first place.  Then you throw a temper tantrum and lash out at the closest Western-looking object you can find, like Poland; and maybe also put the hurt on some emir to prove that although you’re not “the West,” you’re also for sure not “Asiatic.” And you write pages upon pages about your angst, about how the Poles are assholes and so are the Jesuits, and how the British can never know pure spiritual ecstasy even if they do have the steam engine. 
 

It’s worth remembering that even Communism was an attempt to use a Western idea to fix shit in Russia. 

I'm 2/3 through this right now.  As far as the Great Courses series goes it's average, but still worth your time.  Yeah, even Lenin knew Russians as human beings were inferior to Europeans, and denied it every time the could. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I'm 2/3 through this right now.  As far as the Great Courses series goes it's average, but still worth your time.  Yeah, even Lenin knew Russians as human beings were inferior to Europeans, and denied it every time the could. 

 

 

If any book needs to be listened at 1.5x speed it’s this one. 

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Now do the population of China versus Russia, and the population of Taiwan versus Ukraine, and finally the sheer size of Taiwan versus the size of Ukraine. Ukraine has double the population over 10x the landmass.  
 

You think Russia can throw bodies at a problem? 
 

 

The Taiwan problem for China is projecting those bodies and resources across water. It’s why any hypothetical competition that spills into the kinetic has to go beyond the analysis of the basics of power like economy and population, and take into account geography and technology. I encourage anyone who worries about a PRC invasion of Taiwan to do a deep dive into Operation Overlord, as the closest seaborne invasion we have in history to study. Then factor in:

- Allies had near complete air supremacy in Western Europe, which China would either not have, or have to win.

- Nazi Germany had no spy satellites and terrible sigint and was basically guessing on the where and when.  Also not happening for the PRC.

- Almost all of the German military was tied down thousands of kilometers away from Normandy; most of the people in the contested space wanted the Germans to get gone and actively helped the Allies.

- China has zero, zilch, zippo real world experience with amphibious landing.  For that matter, the PLA is basically an untested force entirely.  They’d be going to war with a force that has never fired a shot or taken a shot in anger. And they’d be doing one of the most difficult things an military can do— invade a hostile coast. 

- Also read up on how badly the U.S. did NOT want to try to invade the Japanese home islands despite a massive people/materiel advantage and the benefit of air superiority and four years of war to soften them up.  Taiwan’s a similar nut to crack. 
 

China just can’t march into the ocean and fill the seabed with corpses to walk on. It’s hard to see any hypothetical Taiwan conflict lasting into the conventional invasion phase, more likely a test of nuclear nerves. 

[Armybrat 40749]

6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This is sort of the cycle of Russian history going back to Peter the Great at least.  Some perceptive tsar or advisor looks around and says “this is fucked up.  Even the British have it better than us and they live on a rainy rock and drink warm beer. The West has it going on, let’s do it like they do.” 
 

Then they embark on a series of haphazard reforms that don’t get at the heart of the issue (let’s make the peasants shave their beards!), it doesn’t work out, the West keeps you at arm’s length, and the peasants are pissed because they just lost their beards but some venal and frenchified count gets a mansion and the peasant girls and the right to sell timber to the Dutch or some shit.  
 

So a new tsar or advisor comes around and says that Russia is super special and it went wrong when it stopped doing its Own Thing, and first thing is to start repressing the assholes who suggested getting Westernized in the first place.  Then you throw a temper tantrum and lash out at the closest Western-looking object you can find, like Poland; and maybe also put the hurt on some emir to prove that although you’re not “the West,” you’re also for sure not “Asiatic.” And you write pages upon pages about your angst, about how the Poles are assholes and so are the Jesuits, and how the British can never know pure spiritual ecstasy even if they do have the steam engine. 
 

It’s worth remembering that even Communism was an attempt to use a Western idea to fix shit in Russia. 

To be fair, the Jesuits can be assholes sometimes.

[Armybrat 40749]

6 hours ago, Bevo said:

The question was what China could do if it got pissed off about the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.

Stamp their little commie boots and shout more empty threats.