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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Russia is in serious trouble if this is true. 

That would mean that they advanced ten miles in one day, and are now only about seven miles from the Oskil River (which is impounded downstream by a dam at Oskil).  So that would not quite cut off Izyum, but it would make holding that town really difficult.

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5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

That would mean that they advanced ten miles in one day, and are now only about seven miles from the Oskil River (which is impounded downstream by a dam at Oskil).  So that would not quite cut off Izyum, but it would make holding that town really difficult.

The rivers in the Ukraine are the key in all of the various actions we are seeing.

The UKA’s ability to effectively target  the bridges over the rivers have in effect made it almost impossible to consistently reinforce and resupply RU units over the rivers. On the flip side the destruction of these bridges makes it very difficult for the UKA to advance at speed.
 

Any time you see a UKA breakthrough, go look for the next natural barrier and that should help really gauge how much of a major issue it is for the RU. Right now we are seeing collapsing pockets that are trapping the RU up against natural barriers which proved those troops limited chance to pull out or reinforce/resupply. Things will become very interesting if we see the UKA find a way to get over these natural barriers, because at that point it is wide open terrain… 

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3 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

The rivers in the Ukraine are the key in all of the various actions we are seeing.

The UKA’s ability to effectively target  the bridges over the rivers have in effect made it almost impossible to consistently reinforce and resupply RU units over the rivers. On the flip side the destruction of these bridges makes it very difficult for the UKA to advance at speed.
 

Any time you see a UKA breakthrough, go look for the next natural barrier and that should help really gauge how much of a major issue it is for the RU. Right now we are seeing collapsing pockets that are trapping the RU up against natural barriers which proved those troops limited chance to pull out or reinforce/resupply. Things will become very interesting if we see the UKA find a way to get over these natural barriers, because at that point it is wide open terrain… 

Issue/strategy #1 is surely to back the Russians up against a wall, and either kill the or get them to collapse and surrender, taking them out of the fight.  Then issue/strategy #2 will be to get over those rivers and such.....and not sure how they'll do that.  But if they can take large masses of Russian troops and materiel out of the fight, their path over those obstacles may be a LOT easier than it otherwise would have been.  I'm curious as to what Russia has on the other side of the rivers, ready to get in the fight.

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Issue/strategy #1 is surely to back the Russians up against a wall, and either kill the or get them to collapse and surrender, taking them out of the fight.  Then issue/strategy #2 will be to get over those rivers and such.....and not sure how they'll do that.  But if they can take large masses of Russian troops and materiel out of the fight, their path over those obstacles may be a LOT easier than it otherwise would have been.  I'm curious as to what Russia has on the other side of the rivers, ready to get in the fight.

Your last sentence is the key.  If Russia moved the majority of their best men and equipment across the rivers where they can be trapped and eliminated, as seems likely, the river crossings and subsequent maneuvers will be against less capable and less well armed forces.  That's when large collapses could happen.  Ukraine just has to beware of overextending their forces. 

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3 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Your last sentence is the key.  If Russia moved the majority of their best men and equipment across the rivers where they can be trapped and eliminated, as seems likely, the river crossings and subsequent maneuvers will be against less capable and less well armed forces.  That's when large collapses could happen. 

Something that jumped out to me, and a bunch of the OSINT folks have commented on it, is that in some of these areas, they are encountering groups of Russians from a half-dozen or more units - it could have  LPR/DPR militia types (forced conscription most likely) depending on locale, Rosgvardiya (Russian national guard, but not like our national guard, more like a federal police force that protects the Russian government), FSB, mercenaries, Russian police, and then a mixture Russian army, air force (airborne), and naval units.  Like if they encounter a group of 100 Russians, there might be 10 different units represented from civilian to police to army and navy.

That’s fucking insane, because there’s no unit cohesion, there’s most likely multiple agencies people are reporting to, there may not be standardization of weapons ( a problem for heavier weapons), and there’s going to be multiple reasons why those people are there - money, forced conscription, etc.

Those “units” will collapse fast.

3 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Ukraine just has to beware of overextending their forces. 

Ironically the rivers may slow down the Ukrainians enough to keep this from happening.  With that said, I’ve seen some videos of large groups of Ukrainians crossing swiftly by boats, and because the Ukrainian artillery is doing so well, they are also pushing Russians back away from the rivers, allowing the Ukrainians to cross at their leisure.  This will be more important later on, but it seems like Ukrainian arty is the key to the river crossings.  Crossing by boat may be slower than a bridge, but if you have the far bank under control through artillery, you can get hundreds of guys across relatively fast, and boats are a much smaller target than bridges or pontoon bridges.  Plus, boats have more flexibility.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Something that jumped out to me, and a bunch of the OSINT folks have commented on it, is that in some of these areas, they are encountering groups of Russians from a half-dozen or more units - it could have  LPR/DPR militia types (forced conscription most likely) depending on locale, Rosgvardiya (Russian national guard, but not like our national guard, more like a federal police force that protects the Russian government), FSB, mercenaries, Russian police, and then a mixture Russian army, air force (airborne), and naval units.  Like if they encounter a group of 100 Russians, there might be 10 different units represented from civilian to police to army and navy.

That’s fucking insane, because there’s no unit cohesion, there’s most likely multiple agencies people are reporting to, there may not be standardization of weapons ( a problem for heavier weapons), and there’s going to be multiple reasons why those people are there - money, forced conscription, etc.

Those “units” will collapse fast.

Ironically the rivers may slow down the Ukrainians enough to keep this from happening.  With that said, I’ve seen some videos of large groups of Ukrainians crossing swiftly by boats, and because the Ukrainian artillery is doing so well, they are also pushing Russians back away from the rivers, allowing the Ukrainians to cross at their leisure.  This will be more important later on, but it seems like Ukrainian arty is the key to the river crossings.  Crossing by boat may be slower than a bridge, but if you have the far bank under control through artillery, you can get hundreds of guys across relatively fast, and boats are a much smaller target than bridges or pontoon bridges.  Plus, boats have more flexibility.

This is all great for getting across.  But as we've seen from the other side, once across, you have to supply them.  Granted, Russia doesn't have HIMARS and as you've referenced the UA artillery seems to be pushing hard against the Russians, but still.  Beans and bullets gotta get to the front.

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2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

This is all great for getting across.  But as we've seen from the other side, once across, you have to supply them.  Granted, Russia doesn't have HIMARS and as you've referenced the UA artillery seems to be pushing hard against the Russians, but still.  Beans and bullets gotta get to the front.

True, but in theory, Ukrainian artillery pushes Russians off the banks, get Ukrainian soldiers across by whatever means, those troops helppush the Russians farther back and get temporary anti-air going (MANPADs), then you can setup a more permanent river crossing.  Or just run those boats nonstop (these are not big rivers in many cases - we are talking a few minutes to cross).

And it looks like they are either bringing HIMARS or the M777s with Excalibur rounds to bear on Russian HQ and anti-air units identified by partisans, and they are also using them to attack concentrations of troops.

I think we are starting to see what everybody has been hoping and waiting for.

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

True, but in theory, Ukrainian artillery pushes Russians off the banks, get Ukrainian soldiers across by whatever means, those troops helppush the Russians farther back and get temporary anti-air going (MANPADs), then you can setup a more permanent river crossing.  Or just run those boats nonstop (these are not big rivers in many cases - we are talking a few minutes to cross).

And it looks like they are either bringing HIMARS or the M777s with Excalibur rounds to bear on Russian HQ and anti-air units identified by partisans, and they are also using them to attack concentrations of troops.

I think we are starting to see what everybody has been hoping and waiting for.

I don't disagree with you, I'm just gaming it out.  How many boats must UA have for this kind of operation?  Is it possible NATO has sent pontoon bridges that went under the radar?  All the things we've discussed Russia not having to cross these natural obstacles are all the things Ukraine needs as well, but we haven't heard much about it.  I'm sure UA has thought all this out, as the whole war appears to have been strategically thought out by them.  Just musing is all.

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I don't disagree with you, I'm just gaming it out.  How many boats must UA have for this kind of operation?  Is it possible NATO has sent pontoon bridges that went under the radar?  All the things we've discussed Russia not having to cross these natural obstacles are all the things Ukraine needs as well, but we haven't heard much about it.  I'm sure UA has thought all this out, as the whole war appears to have been strategically thought out by them.  Just musing is all.

France supplied some bridges earlier this summer.

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The French company Matiere will hand over 36 lightweight bridges to Ukraine, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said.

“Together with the French government and the federation of French industrialists MEDEF, we have agreed to transfer to Ukraine 36 easily assembled bridges from 23 to 46 meters long from the Matiere campaign. These structures can quickly replace the destroyed Ukrainian bridges, and subsequently replace them on a permanent basis,” Kuleba said on online briefing on Wednesday.

According to him, the French company Matiere has many years of experience in the rapid deployment of bridge crossings for road and rail transport, especially in countries where the war has destroyed infrastructure.

“Already on July 25, the company’s engineers will arrive in Ukraine and conduct a joint assessment mission with the engineers of Ukravtodor. Potentially, the company is considering the possibility of deploying the production of these bridge crossings in Ukraine,” Kuleba said.

 

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