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[The Dog 44020]

48 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Zelensky giving keynote at a Defense Industry conference in Austin. Feel free to attend war pigs

https://www.ndia.org/events/2022/9/19/2022-future-force-capabilities-conference-and-exhibition

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[Captainant 27653]

2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I had no idea I occupied so much space in your head. I’m flattered. 
 

My current take is that Russia is not going to give up without using their most powerful weapons. They will end up getting the Donbas just like they got Crimea. I would prefer that happen with as little loss of life as possible and so yes, I would prefer a swift diplomatic outcome over more fighting and civilian deaths. 

But this is the war that everyone seems to love, and no one seems to care that we are in a proxy war with Russia, so I think it’s unlikely. This is Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan all over again. We will never learn. 

any familial relation? Very similar vibes from your post. Appeasement is uh.... Not a historically successful strategy.

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2 hours ago, Jatrain said:

If they’re not there already, when Ukrainian forces get close enough to the border, do they / should they attack military targets (rail lines, fuel depots, etc) in Russia?

1 hour ago, Laxtonto said:

That triple rail bridge I was talking about… yeah it’s won’t be there by this time next week.

It amazes me how big of a disaster this collapse is for that front, especially now that the cascading effect is that it dramatically reduces the number of direct rail options available from Russia to the occupied sectors.  

When they push the Russians to the border in more areas in the NE of Ukraine, they may not need to fire over the border at the rail lines - Russians may very well keep supplies/manpower off the rails near the border, for fear of HIMARS, etc., forcing them to truck everything long distances.  And they can skip shelling the fuel depots and just hammer away at the temporary pipelines that Russia sets up for their military (Russia really relies on these temporary pipelines) - there's no way Russia can easily replace that kind of infrastructure, and Russia is not swimming in fuel tankers (unlike Western forces).

Taking Izyum and a few other areas off the board really creates some massive supply bottlenecks for LPR/Kherson/Crimea that will expose the Russian logistics problems even more than the attempt at Kyiv did.

They are seriously threatening the Donbas - this is just amazing.

[Rimbo 25919]

1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

I’ll check back in in a few years and see how our latest forever war is going “my dude”. 

 

1 hour ago, maninblack said:

Zelensky giving keynote at a Defense Industry conference in Austin. Feel free to attend war pigs

https://www.ndia.org/events/2022/9/19/2022-future-force-capabilities-conference-and-exhibition

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2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

My current take is that Russia is not going to give up without using their most powerful weapons.

He gave up trying to take Kyiv, he gave up Kharkiv, he's giving up some of his most important transportation hubs in the Izyum area that helps get rail from Russian down to the DPR/LPR areas.

Sure, he wants people to believe he'll use nukes, that's why his talking heads on Russian state TV were talking about nuking England and America, but he won't use them, because he's already been told not to use them.  Plus, this is a motherfucker who is so scared of COVID or assassination that he sits at long fucking tables so that he's not near certain people in his "inner" circle.

2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

They will end up getting the Donbas just like they got Crimea.

This is 2022, not 2014.  Ukraine could roll up Donbas within a week or so, at the rate they are going.

2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

 so yes, I would prefer a swift diplomatic outcome over more fighting and civilian deaths. 

These are literally talking points taken from Russian state TV.  You are literally parroting Russian state TV, just like you believe Russia will use nukes, which, again, Russian state TV was pushing that idea to try and make Westerns afraid of Russia.

 

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2 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

But this is the war that everyone seems to love, and no one seems to care that we are in a proxy war with Russia, so I think it’s unlikely. This is Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan all over again. We will never learn. 

You do realize that just a few years ago, a small number of US Army Special Forces, US Marines, and US Air Force combat controllers engaged hundreds of Russian soldiers Wagoner mercenaries in Syria and kicked the absolute shit of them, without any American losses.   Completely fucking wrecked those Russians (with the help of a lot of US Air Force aircraft).

Putin didn't do shit, because he started the fight with us in Syria, just like he chose to invade Ukraine.  Don't start shit, there won't be shit.

In fact, he probably wouldn't' have invaded Ukraine if he knew that the US and NATO would rise to the occasion and help Ukraine out with everything short of Western jets or personnel.

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[Serak The Preparer 3431]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And all of us have said stupid shit online at one point or another, or every day, but at least it’s not this stupid.

 

Maybe she thought Ukraine was talking about practice. Not a game. Not a game. Not a game. We talking about practice. Not a game.

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The stuff about Moscow's center being barricade, tanks rolling around, etc., it's some kind of normal celebration that happens in the first weekend or two of September.  Sounds like there are more and more people, at least on Russian social media, who are pissed that the celebration is taking place and the authorities are acting like the Special Military Operation is going just fine.

Stuff like this:

 

This is the celebration

 

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Damn. I had no idea this many people on Surly didn’t already know Buzzrock is a Russian bot.

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Edited September 11, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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Going to have to split it into thirds soon.

 

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What's with all of the cryptic stuff

 

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[Slacks 6819]

So... Is homeboy about to get done or what?

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[staboner 4969]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

What's with all of the cryptic stuff

 

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7 hours ago, maninblack said:

Zelensky giving keynote at a Defense Industry conference in Austin. Feel free to attend war pigs

https://www.ndia.org/events/2022/9/19/2022-future-force-capabilities-conference-and-exhibition

America’s military industrial complex is preventing the peaceful occupation of Ukraine by Russia’s pacifism industrial complex!

[Brisketexan 105095]

we didnt start the war, we dont have any active duty units in country. We might have a few advisors- but nowhere near a pre-1963 Vietnam level number
Every american there is a volunteer with the possible exception of 50 or so embassy employees
 
our only support is older military equipment and money.
 
meanwhile Russia has, since 1994, now attacked a 4th country (5th if you count Chechyna twice)  that it decided to gobble up
 
They arent fucking stopping in Ukraine unless they get stopped in Ukraine.
 
 

The last sentence. All the nope-niks need to read it on repeat. This isn’t a hypothetical - it’s been demonstrated.

Stop Russia. Here. Now.

Maybe she thought Ukraine was talking about practice. Not a game. Not a game. Not a game. We talking about practice. Not a game.

Love it.

America’s military industrial complex is preventing the peaceful occupation of Ukraine by Russia’s pacifism industrial complex!

Fucking seriously. These people watch an entire army invade a sovereign nation with the OPENLY STATED GOAL of decapitating and subjugating it, openly committing war crimes and atrocities along the way and BRAGGING about it, and….we’re wrong for supporting the other side? Fucking seriously?

[Gengs1 2583]

They got a lot of new toys

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

They got a lot of new toys

 

 

Russia’s just repositioning them so that they can be destroyed by the Russian army defending Donbas. 

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Fucking seriously. These people watch an entire army invade a sovereign nation with the OPENLY STATED GOAL of decapitating and subjugating it, openly committing war crimes and atrocities along the way and BRAGGING about it, and….we’re wrong for supporting the other side? Fucking seriously?

Not to mention all the bodies of tortured civilians, murdered kids, the openly stated intent to erase the Ukrainian language and culture, daily destruction of civilians targets and infrastructure, kidnapping throngs of women and kids to send to Russia….on and on. You can’t tame a mad dog with a couple milkbone biscuits. That’s what the Minsk agreements were. We tried.

Like Kenny said, “I’ve walked away from trouble when I can…but sometimes you gotta fight when you’re a man.”

[Gengs1 2583]

these dudes just ran away, left everything behind 

[Gengs1 2583]

 

[Chad Fuck 17669]

[/url] these dudes just ran away, left everything behind 

I think there’s not a small part of the Russian forces that were glad to take the opportunity to haul ass. How much motivation are you going to have if you were dragged off the streets of some village in Donetsk, or some rural Russian backwater, and then told “the enemy is that way, good luck!”?

[Sawbonz 27546]

11 hours ago, maninblack said:

Zelensky giving keynote at a Defense Industry conference in Austin. Feel free to attend war pigs

https://www.ndia.org/events/2022/9/19/2022-future-force-capabilities-conference-and-exhibition

Hahahahahahaha

[Trey3216 15346]

39 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

They got a lot of new toys

 

 

Meet the new toys, same as the old toys 

[Sawbonz 27546]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

if he knew that the US and NATO would rise to the occasion and help Ukraine out with everything short of Western jets or personnel.

I wonder what gave him that idea

[Pods 7552]

A collection from r/ukraine of Russians melting down.

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[Gengs1 2583]

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2 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

First Baghdad Bob, now Izyum Ivan!

[Rimbo 25919]

Geez. Remember being a kid in the 1970s and 1980s. Big Bad Russia. It was us vs them, and in the 70s, it looked like they were actually winning. Reagan era jingoism and movies changed our mindset a bit to thinking maybe we had a chance.

Then the Wall fell, and the sham was exposed. They were a poor country and we'd been fooled.

Now we still thought of Russia as a Power. Maybe not a Superpower any more, but certainly a Power.

Then Izyum was reclaimed, and the sham was exposed.

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What's with all of the cryptic stuff
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Maria works in Ukraine defense. Pundits have pointed out very little of the Western heavy machinery was seen it the Kharkiv offense which means it still out there with another battle group. Speculation is across Donetsk to the Sea of Azov, east of Mariupol, to cut the RU land bridge supply lines.

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

My wife and I were discussing Operation Market-Garden in WW II last night, and it reminded me that the German Army in France collapsed rapidly, just like the Russian Army has in the Kharkiv region.  Many thought that the rout would go all the way to Berlin in short order, but the Germans had other ideas and turned and stiffened at the Rhine. 

I'm not saying that it's not possible that the Russian collapse will spread across all of Ukraine, but don't be surprised if and when the Russians form up and stabilize a front somewhere.  The Ukrainians still have the recipe and ingredients to cook up another breakthrough elsewhere, but it may take more patience.

[bolverk 29660]

26 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Geez. Remember being a kid in the 1970s and 1980s. Big Bad Russia. It was us vs them, and in the 70s, it looked like they were actually winning. Reagan era jingoism and movies changed our mindset a bit to thinking maybe we had a chance.

Then the Wall fell, and the sham was exposed. They were a poor country and we'd been fooled.

Now we still thought of Russia as a Power. Maybe not a Superpower any more, but certainly a Power.

Then Izyum was reclaimed, and the sham was exposed.

I distinctly remember when the same thought hit me. In the summer of '93, 30 other American students and I studied in a small, eastern German farming village very near Tangermünde as part of a study abroad program. Anyway, each weekend we'd load up on a small bus and spend a day or so at a somewhat nearby destination to learn something about German culture and/or history.

At the time, German reunification had already occurred, but the leases (or whatever) on Russian military bases had not yet expired. So, anyway, on one of these weekend excursions, our bus was traveling down a two-lane road and suddenly slowed down. Obviously, this caught our attention, and we stared out the window at a column of sad looking Russian military  trucks stopped, lined up one the grass along the side of the road.

Apparently, their lead truck had broken down. When we passed it, the hood was up and there were 4-5 Russian soldiers just standing there, smoking cigarettes like they didn't know what to do. It was at that point I realized we'd been raised in fear of a paper tiger.

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[Scheiss Meister 8407]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Geez. Remember being a kid in the 1970s and 1980s. Big Bad Russia. It was us vs them, and in the 70s, it looked like they were actually winning. Reagan era jingoism and movies changed our mindset a bit to thinking maybe we had a chance.

Then the Wall fell, and the sham was exposed. They were a poor country and we'd been fooled.

Now we still thought of Russia as a Power. Maybe not a Superpower any more, but certainly a Power.

Then Izyum was reclaimed, and the sham was exposed.

 

8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I distinctly remember when the same thought hit me. In the summer of '93, 30 other American students and I studied in a small, eastern German farming village very near Tangermünde as part of a study abroad program. Anyway, each weekend we'd load up on a small bus and spend a day or so at a somewhat nearby destination to learn something about German culture and/or history.

At the time, German reunification had already occurred, but the leases (or whatever) on Russian military bases had not yet expired. So, anyway, on one of these weekend excursions, our bus was traveling down a two-lane road and suddenly slowed down. Obviously, this caught our attention, and we stared out the window at a column of sad looking Russian military  trucks stopped, lined up one the grass along the side of the road.

Apparently, their lead truck had broken down. When we passed it, the hood was up and there were 4-5 Russian soldiers just standing there, smoking cigarettes like they didn't know what to do. It was at that point I realized we'd been raised in fear of a paper tiger.

I understand the sentiment in both of these, but they also sound like the same lack of respect for the Ukranian forces that got Russia where they are in Ukraine.  Easy victories come from knowing your enemy's strengths and weaknesses and assuming that they will use them competently. 

I first heard this applied to baseball, but it applies in all of life: You are never as good as you think you are when you are winning, and you are never as bad as you think you are when you are losing.  That also applies to your enemies.

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Where has that bitch Kadyrov been hiding?