Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[Post Oak 20210]

13 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Reporter introduces herself and asks Yevgeny Viktorovich (Prigozhin Wagner PMC CEO) if he’s surprised that he’s not on the latest sanctions package from the U.S., UK, Canada. Response:

“There’s nothing surprising in it at all. I’ve always behaved charitably to America and even helped them correct some of their internal political problems. As for the referenda, no one asked me about them and I didn’t take part. To get sanctioned for fighting in Ukraine, I have not been effective enough yet. I’ll try harder.” 

I wonder if he's been flipped

[956 Worldwide 34705]

16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I’ve got to say if there are between 5-10k of the more trained and competent Russian troops in Lyman…might be better to just bomb them before they get close enough to surrender. 

Some conflicting reports out there. It appears that Lyman may have been taken but a good chunk of the forces there evacuated. Either way, Lyman is or is about to be in Ukraine’s control and it’s a big loss for the RuZZians. 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

49 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

warning, bodies. Likely Ukrainian:

Of the 4 bodies in the video, I believe 3 are Russian and one is Ukrainian.

[ABSR 5309]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

It is terrifying that such a crazed person has so much power. It feels like a speech straight out of the early 20th century.

People say crazy and that is an incorrect assessment.   Putin is negotiating both with the Russian populace/elite and with the west.  In the West/free world we view negotiation as two parties acting in good faith who each have goals and then work toward a mutually agreeable solution with compromises by both parties.

 He is Russian and their industrial/modern era MO when negotiating with the West has been to threaten, demand everything, , escalate, threaten, demand again, and escalate some more.  Often the West then gives them a lot of what they want and requires little or nothing, often only getting Russia to agree to remove the threat they themselves created as a leverage tool to get concessions.

So Putin is acting/negotiating as he and Russia often do, but the difference is that he has started this by asking and taking far more than the West could allow.  His age, health and desire for historical importance have already been discussed as reasons for over-stepping Russia’s normal incremental approach.  My thought when this was about to start was that Russia would just invade the two disputed territories and no more, and that if he had done only that, and limited his actions to just those areas, that the US and West Would have pushed back much less and we would eventually get to a point where we dispute it but generally accept it like Crimea.   Or historically like Austria, then the Sudetenland’s, then Czechoslovakia, etc.   Incremental conquest with words of peace if only everyone allows it to stand.

As it is clear, and Putin himself has said, that all of Ukraine is the current but not final conquest, It is actually good for us that he grossly misplayed this.   

But back to crazy.   He is here and while reality of the military situation and economic situation should push him to reassess, I think his personal reasons keep him trying to “negotiate” this in the same way he and Russia always have.  So he acts and negotiates as he knows best with the West, and honestly how we have trained him again and again through capitulation, that it will work.

So he will continue with brinksmanship, and we need to ignore it as if it was a child’s tantrum, we should act like adults, go all in for Ukraine to defend and take back their territory with equipment, training and intel, and try to avoid direct involvement (NATO servicemen and NATO launched bombs) being used at Russian troops.

There will be more threats, more brinksmanship, more veiled sabotage and espionage, because that is what Putin knows and also all he has got.  
 

It may seem crazy when viewed from the prism of Western negotiations, but that is because it has been 30 years or so since living with and understanding Russia/USSR was more common.  

[The Dog 44020]

NAFO doing NAFO things:

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

It is clear that Putin's long game had been to destabilize the west so that he could reclaim the former borders of the Soviet Union and perhaps go farther. He was hoping that his election interference in our democracies, promotion of candidates and ideals that would turn western countries inward, and large-scale ideological warfare via social media and other sources, would divide and weaken the west so that he could reclaim all of the former eastern bloc countries without much of a fight. And he came really close to breaking apart NATO. 

Pay very close attention to this, those of you that tune in to Tucker Carlson nightly for your “news”. You are the pawn in a very dangerous game.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Igor "Jerkin' my" Girkin says the Russians have abandoned Lyman.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

https://ukrainevolunteer297689472.wordpress.com/2022/09/30/its-a-slaughter/

"Lots, just us, maybe 140 dead Russians. Like hunting squirrels in a pecan orchard. I have to think Lyman is under our control, but we have no info on that.

We all got split-up into smaller groups, too much contact going on to stay together. here with about 20 guys, trying to make contact with someone to get ammo.

Lot of people on foot, some running down the road, some trying to make their way through the forest to the south of the road. A half-a-dozen Russians came into the woods where we were in a hide to catch our breath and eat, they almost ran into us, but as usual, were moving fast and talking. We cut them down before they knew what was happening. They had little ammo, no med kits, very little food, and no info at all on them except for their phones and some family stuff. Trying to get intel off stiffs here is a very disappointing exercise."

[RDCanecutter 26411]

12 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Every single one of their camps looks like homeless people at their worst. The barracks look like squatters. 

These old guys are getting dumped into this? 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if those old barracks did house squatters before the newly mobilized showed up.

That much I have learned from Hardbass videos.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

It seems pretty clear the Russian government is supplying them vodka to keep them drunk as they shuttle them to their death.

And they're too fucking stupid to realize it.

[RDCanecutter 26411]

6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

“Anglo-Saxons”’ is a weird tic that creeps into pro-Kremlin discourse in all Slavic languages and it’s quite clearly a bid to create a civilizational foil to “pan-Slavism.” 

It was a big Vichy French thing too, though it probably predated them and I have heard it in real life since.

[KYHorn 17029]

Second civilian convoy in as many days. Desperation.

 

 

[KYHorn 17029]

^Ukrainian troops entering Lyman.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by KYHorn

[freyguy 4268]

6 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Second civilian convoy in as many days. Desperation.

 

 

Appeasing murderers and cowards does the world no good.

[KYHorn 17029]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

 

 

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[The Dog 44020]

SIAP holy shit:

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

SIAP holy shit:

 

Yeah I posted it a little bit ago. It's gonna be fucking brutal when they unleash those big ass shotgun shells.

[The Dog 44020]

 

[Rimbo 25920]

7 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

That drawing is amazingly brilliant.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1732]

15 hours ago, Auto Driller said:

When is India going to be pressured the same way we do to China for their passive support of Russia?

 

I too am pissed at India, but I understand their anger at the US stupidly continuing to play footsie with Pakistan. Pakistan is unreliable trash that is an ally of China, why do we continue to arm and help them?

[The Dog 44020]

Good lord look how the line has moved:

 

[Post Oak 20210]

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

1 hour ago, ABSR said:

People say crazy and that is an incorrect assessment.   Putin is negotiating both with the Russian populace/elite and with the west.  In the West/free world we view negotiation as two parties acting in good faith who each have goals and then work toward a mutually agreeable solution with compromises by both parties.

 He is Russian and their industrial/modern era MO when negotiating with the West has been to threaten, demand everything, , escalate, threaten, demand again, and escalate some more.  Often the West then gives them a lot of what they want and requires little or nothing, often only getting Russia to agree to remove the threat they themselves created as a leverage tool to get concessions.

So Putin is acting/negotiating as he and Russia often do, but the difference is that he has started this by asking and taking far more than the West could allow.  His age, health and desire for historical importance have already been discussed as reasons for over-stepping Russia’s normal incremental approach.  My thought when this was about to start was that Russia would just invade the two disputed territories and no more, and that if he had done only that, and limited his actions to just those areas, that the US and West Would have pushed back much less and we would eventually get to a point where we dispute it but generally accept it like Crimea.   Or historically like Austria, then the Sudetenland’s, then Czechoslovakia, etc.   Incremental conquest with words of peace if only everyone allows it to stand.

As it is clear, and Putin himself has said, that all of Ukraine is the current but not final conquest, It is actually good for us that he grossly misplayed this.   

But back to crazy.   He is here and while reality of the military situation and economic situation should push him to reassess, I think his personal reasons keep him trying to “negotiate” this in the same way he and Russia always have.  So he acts and negotiates as he knows best with the West, and honestly how we have trained him again and again through capitulation, that it will work.

So he will continue with brinksmanship, and we need to ignore it as if it was a child’s tantrum, we should act like adults, go all in for Ukraine to defend and take back their territory with equipment, training and intel, and try to avoid direct involvement (NATO servicemen and NATO launched bombs) being used at Russian troops.

There will be more threats, more brinksmanship, more veiled sabotage and espionage, because that is what Putin knows and also all he has got.  
 

It may seem crazy when viewed from the prism of Western negotiations, but that is because it has been 30 years or so since living with and understanding Russia/USSR was more common.  

Your second paragraph is a great summary of what it means to have a “normal” relationship with Russia.  Modus operandi is to demand all your cake, then expect gratitude when they settle for half. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

6 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

 

 

We live in a simulation.

[YGIFS 19450]

Yeah, I'm turning myself over to a higher power as of late for some personal shit.  But I look around at Ukraine and political rallies here at home...there's no fucking way this is real.  We are inside a computer inside of a computer.  You got beautiful women like that blowing up Russian tanks and I live in a country where a three-toed cunt of an Iggy Pop impersonator is probably gonna be my Vice President.  

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, YGIFS said:

Yeah, I'm turning myself over to a higher power as of late for some personal shit.  But I look around at Ukraine and political rallies here at home...there's no fucking way this is real.  We are inside a computer inside of a computer.  You got beautiful women like that blowing up Russian tanks and I live in a country where a three-toed cunt of an Iggy Pop impersonator is probably gonna be my Vice President.  

Honestly, all the macro bad shit going on in the world is made more bearable when you realize none of it’s real.

[956 Worldwide 34705]

I have a theory of Slavic women which is that they get hotter in a predictable curve going east from Germany, peak in a geographic band bounded by Warsaw to the West and Kyiv to the East with Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine the summit. They tail off in a less dramatic fashion heading toward Siberia, but RuZZia. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Igor "Jerkin' my" Girkin says the Russians have abandoned Lyman.

You know the really impressive thing about this video, those two guys have spent the last 6 months getting shot at and worrying about their families.

[YGIFS 19450]

^

Did he just say "Making Fuck?"  

[vtaenz 601]

14 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

You know the really impressive thing about this video, those two guys have spent the last 6 months getting shot at and worrying about their families.

Bro threw up the horns.

[Fico 1778]

2 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Of the 4 bodies in the video, I believe 3 are Russian and one is Ukrainian.

In some of the responses it's being said that Russians were using blue tape to help in breakout attempt. Can't tell but it does look more like Russian camo than Ukrainian. Take it all with a grain of salt. 

Allegedly there is some telegram videos with lots of dead Russians, haven't been able to find them yet. 

[Nivek 16923]

Reporter introduces herself and asks Yevgeny Viktorovich (Prigozhin Wagner PMC CEO) if he’s surprised that he’s not on the latest sanctions package from the U.S., UK, Canada. Response:
“There’s nothing surprising in it at all. I’ve always behaved charitably to America and even helped them correct some of their internal political problems. As for the referenda, no one asked me about them and I didn’t take part. To get sanctioned for fighting in Ukraine, I have not been effective enough yet. I’ll try harder.” 

That’s true. He gave us live target practice in Syria, with approximately 500 men with vehicles going up against a small 21 man unit. We appreciate his effort to help our men understand and appreciate the value of competent training and integrated efforts.

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

44 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a theory of Slavic women which is that they get hotter in a predictable curve going east from Germany, peak in a geographic band bounded by Warsaw to the West and Kyiv to the East with Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine the summit. They tail off in a less dramatic fashion heading toward Siberia, but RuZZia. 

Link to your white paper on this?

[YGIFS 19450]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Link to your white paper on this?

And please attach all appropriate photos, videos, and corollary media

[Superhero 8828]

3 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

In addition to weapons, NATO should supply Ukraine with copious amounts of vodka and parachute them into Russian strongholds.

[Brisketexan 105095]

It is terrifying that such a crazed person has so much power. It feels like a speech straight out of the early 20th century.

More annotated Putin:
 

In 1991 in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, representatives of the party elite of that time made a decision to terminate the Soviet Union, without asking ordinary citizens what they wanted, and people suddenly found themselves cut off from their homeland. This tore apart and dismembered our national community and triggered a national catastrophe. Just like the government quietly demarcated the borders of Soviet republics, acting behind the scenes after the 1917 revolution, the last leaders of the Soviet Union, contrary to the direct expression of the will of the majority of people in the referendum of 1991, destroyed our great country, and simply made the people in the former republics face this as an accomplished fact.
I can admit that they didn’t even know what they were doing and what consequences their actions would have in the end. But it doesn't matter now. There is no Soviet Union anymore; we cannot return to the past. Actually, Russia no longer needs it today; this isn’t our ambition. 

“It’s fine, honey. You just know I don’t care for Thai food so I don’t know why you suggested it.  But we can go since you and the kids like it.  It would just be nice to go out to someplace everyone enjoys. But I’m not upset, let’s get Thai food.”
 

The West is counting on impunity, on being able to get away with anything. As a matter of fact, this was actually the case until recently. Strategic security agreements have been trashed; agreements reached at the highest political level have been declared tall tales; firm promises not to expand NATO to the east gave way to dirty deception as soon as our former leaders bought into them; missile defence, intermediate-range and shorter-range missile treaties have been unilaterally dismantled under far-fetched pretexts.

Dmitry! This speech is ten minutes long and there’s nothing about NATO or missiles. Work it in there somewhere, Meaesheimer and Chomsky need something to work with. 
 

Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, “parent number one, parent number two and parent number three” (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own. 
Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. 

I need some stuff in here for Такер Карлсон and Алекс Джонс to work with, too. 

It is clear that Putin's long game had been to destabilize the west so that he could reclaim the former borders of the Soviet Union and perhaps go farther. He was hoping that his election interference in our democracies, promotion of candidates and ideals that would turn western countries inward, and large-scale ideological warfare via social media and other sources, would divide and weaken the west so that he could reclaim all of the former eastern bloc countries without much of a fight. And he came really close to breaking apart NATO. 

Brexit is absolutely fucking Brittain up too, putins destabilization efforts have been wildly successful in weakening the opposition to putin's policies. Hell, breaking up NATO was legitimately on the table for a year or two

Yep to all of these. Putin has been at war with us for 30 years. We’re just too fucking stupid to realize it. And…en entire political party is a gleeful fifth column.

[Captainant 27654]

 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

#FlyAmerica 

[Gengs1 2583]

If the Ukrainians had a few more airplanes and long range rockets, they would be doing a lot more damage To the Russians 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

Just now, Captainant said:

 

That’s no knock on the deuce and a half. It won the Second World War. 

[Telegraph_it 3357]

12 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

#FlyAmerica 

Which one is the shitbird? 

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Edited October 1, 2022 by Schulz2.0

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[Parliament 14255]

You don't know how much might be staged, but those guys have ALL of the cool gear.

[686 3448]

 

Burn baby Burn

[686 3448]

You don't know how much might be staged, but those guys have ALL of the cool gear.

Sako TRG precision rifle?

[The Dog 44020]

 

[The Dog 44020]